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Infoanon · 24-08-2014 3:42pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

That's the thing. TV3 don't want to pay any money to anyone if possible. They obviously want to close 3e now but would get huge hassle from the BAI if they did it, so they're saying instead that they'll retool it. If they did decide to bring it back, Surprise, Surprise it's not on Saorview.

Huge hassle from the BAI - more likely that they don't want to give up the EPG position - the BAI will allow TV3 do what they want in order to survive.

Elmo · 24-08-2014 3:42pm

Wednesday if TV3 plan something major

1. TV3 are to commission Newstalk to provide News and Current Affairs
2. Savage will be given an Hour long News programming @5 Monday To Friday
3. Late Lunch Live will finish up at the end of the year
4. Big name shows for 3e

Sorry that's major in TV3 speak.

Major in Elmo Speak would be@-

1. Intro of HD on TV3 across all platforms by a certain date(I wonder if Sky will take TV3HD after all they took so long to take RTÉ HD)
2. Axing of Late Lunch Live, Midday, News @12:30
3. Move of all ITV Daytime programming to 3e until the end of the year
4. Intro of TV3 +1 come Jan 2015
5. Complete overhaul of Daytime
6. Major Focus on Prime Time.

In fairness to them on their soap they have got good producers behind Red Rock, the problem is Red Rock has nothing supporting it.

Fred Swanson · 24-08-2014 3:43pm

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Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 4:01pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Huge hassle from the BAI - more likely that they don't want to give up the EPG position - the BAI will allow TV3 do what they want in order to survive.

Yes I agree with you and the BAI allowing them to do whatever they want. But there's an easy way to get the BAI to give in and a hard way. It is true however that they will give in.

Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 4:06pm

Elmo wrote: »

Wednesday if TV3 plan something major

1. TV3 are to commission Newstalk to provide News and Current Affairs
2. Savage will be given an Hour long News programming @5 Monday To Friday
3. Late Lunch Live will finish up at the end of the year
4. Big name shows for 3e

Sorry that's major in TV3 speak.

Major in Elmo Speak would be@-

1. Intro of HD on TV3 across all platforms by a certain date(I wonder if Sky will take TV3HD after all they took so long to take RTÉ HD)
2. Axing of Late Lunch Live, Midday, News @12:30
3. Move of all ITV Daytime programming to 3e until the end of the year
4. Intro of TV3 +1 come Jan 2015
5. Complete overhaul of Daytime
6. Major Focus on Prime Time.

In fairness to them on their soap they have got good producers behind Red Rock, the problem is Red Rock has nothing supporting it.

I would presume knowing TV3 their form of Major change won't happen. Elmo form of Major change is decent, the main thing with it is that you're actually trying something.

Their soap does have good producers, and I'm sure a decent product can be produced. However, you're right there's nothing to support it. Looking at things logically It would be easier for a brand new station to start a soap than TV3.

Plus this is the big point. Will TV3 support a soap that costs a lot of money to make for the first 18 months while it finds it feet. Or after the first 80 eps we'll hear that RED ROCK will be back next year and it never returns?

Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 4:12pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I fully expect that's what's going to happen, plenty on this board down through the years have been able to work out some of what TV3 will do next. (UTV always seem to be 5 steps ahead)

One of the obvious ones was to cut back on PSB programmes as much as possible. First they got rid of any major Weekend News, then All weekend News, then they dropped the FYI news on 3e. The natural progression sometime next year.

TV3: "We're going broke we have to drop all News"
BAI: "You can't do that, we'll have to look at your licence"
TV3: "Okay how about a fast paced new News service never seen in Ireland TV3 Headline News"
BAI: "You mean Like 60 Second News on BBC 3"
TV3: "No, No, nothing like that, it'll be far more in depth, it'll be 90 seconds long"
BAI: "That sounds great, work away. Glad we could negotiate a solution we're both happy with"

icdg · 24-08-2014 4:14pm

The big reason for TV3 to keep 3e alive at all is the very valuable EPG slots it holds on Sky and UPC that they'd have to give up if they closed it.

Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 4:17pm

icdg wrote: »

The big reason for TV3 to keep 3e alive at all is the very valuable EPG slots it holds on Sky and UPC that they'd have to give up if they closed it.

But what would they do with it, I don't think either SKY nor UPC would be happy with TV3 +1 so high up. Obviously it's a blocking tactic because UTV would immediately get it if became free.

irishmusicfeed · 24-08-2014 4:25pm

Actual Real News:

FOX and TV3 have signed deal which allows TV3 to secure some TV shows and the latest 20th Century Fox film releases. It means Family Guy and American Idol will continue on 3e. It also means TV3 has first rights (in terms of terrertsial TV) to broadcast FOX films prior to other broadcasters.

Infoanon · 24-08-2014 4:41pm

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

Actual Real News:

FOX and TV3 have signed deal which allows TV3 to secure some TV shows and the latest 20th Century Fox film releases. It means Family Guy and American Idol will continue on 3e. It also means TV3 has first rights (in terms of terrertsial TV) to broadcast FOX films prior to other broadcasters.

Don't think thats going to save them - so much for using the money saved on corrie and emmerdale to invest in home grown programming.

You have to ask what other Irish Terrestial channel would want the rights to Family Guy and Americsn Idol ? Next week the big news will be exclusive rights to Bondi Rescue !

Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 4:50pm

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

Actual Real News:

FOX and TV3 have signed deal which allows TV3 to secure some TV shows and the latest 20th Century Fox film releases. It means Family Guy and American Idol will continue on 3e. It also means TV3 has first rights (in terms of terrertsial TV) to broadcast FOX films prior to other broadcasters.

Would it be possible for a link to that news please...

irishmusicfeed · 24-08-2014 4:53pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Would it be possible for a link to that news please...

Purchase The Sunday Times

Elmo · 24-08-2014 5:40pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Would it be possible for a link to that news please...

Basically a small article about the Six Pillars and Fox Studio news. I don't think they have anything else in that report.

http://irishmusicfeed.tumblr.com/post/95633121764/tv-tv3-group-to-launch-tv3-1-and-tv3hd-in-2015

dublinman1990 · 24-08-2014 5:41pm

It is a certainty from what I read from Dave McRedmond to say the ITV programmes he had for TV3 were loss making in advertising terms as they were all constant repeats all of the time.

Does he not realise that those repeats do not draw in a crop of new viewers as it does the opposite effect for the channel straight away as he has to get something new regularly to keep the viewership steady.

irishmusicfeed · 24-08-2014 5:41pm

The main points of The Sunday Times Article (which seemed to have been missed in original post):

1. TV3 Partnership with Commincorp (i.e. utilize presenters)
2. New Advertising Technology
3. Increase homegrown programming (by 2015 50% schedule Irish produced)
4. New channels within the next 24 months (In 2015: TV3+1, TV3HD, In 2016: 3e HD and one new additional channel.)
5. The new channel for 2016 "could" have a pay tv element (this is separate to 3e).
6. Wednesday August 27 - Press Conference
7. 30 million euro investment in programming in 2015
8. New shows include: Sitting on A Fortune, Googlebox, Xposé (extended by 30 minutes).
9. New presenters
10. New deal with FOX
11. Rugby World Cup
12. New schedule targets under 45s

The article states nothing about 3e becoming a pay channel but does state TV3's (supposed) new and yet unnamed channel in 2016 may become a pay channel.

Elmo · 24-08-2014 5:52pm

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

The article states nothing about 3e becoming a pay channel but does state TV3's (supposed) new and yet unnamed channel in 2016 may become a pay channel.

I agree the article doesn't suggest that 3E will become a pay TV channel, and they seem to suggest another channel in 2016. I don't think that will come to fruition TBH. But wednesday will tell us all, hopefully.

irishmusicfeed · 24-08-2014 5:55pm

Elmo wrote: »

I agree the article doesn't suggest that 3E will become a pay TV channel, and they seem to suggest another channel in 2016. I don't think that will come to fruition TBH. But wednesday will tell us all, hopefully.

I totally agree with you... but unless suggested 3e will continue to air as is on Saorview... 3e is expected to be revamped in November or thereabouts and continue as a non-pay tv channel.... A new channel in 2016 is a huge step for TV3 Group... I do remember TV3 speculating it would launch a female skewed channel called 3xpose and a combined kids and classic tv channel TV3 Kids and TV3 Classics these never came to fruition and somehow I doubt a new channel will arrive in 2016.

Onthe3rdDay · 24-08-2014 6:29pm

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

I totally agree with you... but unless suggested 3e will continue to air as is on Saorview... 3e is expected to be revamped in November or thereabouts and continue as a non-pay tv channel.... A new channel in 2016 is a huge step for TV3 Group... I do remember TV3 speculating it would launch a female skewed channel called 3xpose and a combined kids and classic tv channel TV3 Kids and TV3 Classics these never came to fruition and somehow I doubt a new channel will arrive in 2016.

They should have been launching new channels years ago. I'm afraid they've missed the boat at this stage. We'll see what they have to say for themselves next Wednesday, but I wouldn't be that hopeful.

3e relaunch in November will be interesting.

I will say this, if they change the way they've been doing things and embrace change over the next 12 months they have a chance. However, going on past performance by TV3 it's likely that they won't be around in their current form by the time 2015 comes to a close.

gordongekko · 24-08-2014 7:31pm

irishmusicfeed wrote: »

8. New shows include: Sitting on A Fortune

Tv3 should enter this themselves

Onthe3rdDay · 25-08-2014 1:46am

In today's Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/tv3-to-offer-deals-with-communicorp-1.1906618

Mostly what has already been on the Sunday Papers. I do find it Cheeky that they're calling UTV a foreign company when their own Irishness is in question. Plus I also love that it's mostly spin.
"They're talking about" is a common TV3 Phrase. They were also Taking about various new channels years ago and promising HD as early as 2006. They now look desperate and Communicorp look
like they're the only ones that might buy them long term. However, it does explain the ridiculous positive stories in the independent over the last few weeks and months.

channelsurfer2 · 25-08-2014 8:45am

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

In today's Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/tv3-to-offer-deals-with-communicorp-1.1906618

Mostly what has already been on the Sunday Papers. I do find it Cheeky that they're calling UTV a foreign company when their own Irishness is in question. Plus I also love that it's mostly spin.
"They're talking about" is a common TV3 Phrase. They were also Taking about various new channels years ago and promising HD as early as 2006. They now look desperate and Communicorp look
like they're the only ones that might buy them long term. However, it does explain the ridiculous positive stories in the independent over the last few weeks and months.

Except that Pat wont be part of the deal......

Elmo · 25-08-2014 10:33am

You'd wonder why TV3 had such a big Sales Department when Setanta take care of sales. I would say TV3 are just going to have Communicorp as their sales house, maybe get them to also provide news on TV3.

Onthe3rdDay · 25-08-2014 2:48pm

Elmo wrote: »

You'd wonder why TV3 had such a big Sales Department when Setanta take care of sales. I would say TV3 are just going to have Communicorp as their sales house, maybe get them to also provide news on TV3.

I would assume News is almost certain if this goes ahead, perhaps not until Next year but eventually. Sales is also likely as UTV appear to have a real winner on their hands with the simple one stop shop for TV/Radio Advertising. However have we heard anything yet from Communicorp about this?

Sam Russell · 25-08-2014 4:34pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

However have we heard anything yet from Communicorp about this?

We have heard from the Indo.

Onthe3rdDay · 25-08-2014 5:09pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

We have heard from the Indo.

Well call me old fashioned but until I see an actual statement from both TV3 and Communicorp I'm not happy. A piece was in the Irish Times today and everyone is running with that. There doesn't seem to be any actual official announcement yet.

So you get Newspapers, and Blogs from the supposedly decent to the nutcases running with the story.

This isn't actually a dig at TV3 or Communicorp, it's a dig at the state of Journalism in Ireland today.

Elmo · 25-08-2014 5:47pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

This isn't actually a dig at TV3 or Communicorp, it's a dig at the state of Journalism in Ireland today.

Journalism on broadcasting has lead me to believe that few journalist can or want to ask hard questions.

Though I doubt TV3 would announce a deal with communicorp before the ink hasn't dried.

Onthe3rdDay · 25-08-2014 6:04pm

Elmo wrote: »

Journalism on broadcasting has lead me to believe that few journalist can or want to ask hard questions.

Though I doubt TV3 would announce a deal with communicorp before the ink hasn't dried.

That's just it, I'm not sure what TV3 have actually said, some comments are made and journalists just give it their own spin. We do know they're in talks and probably have agreed to something but TV3 have been in talks before and basically announced ahead of time that it's a done deal. This has worked sometimes, other times it has not...

It was widely reported in the Media last week that Gay Byrne had made various comments. In the Mirror the headline was
Gay Byrne: UTV coming to Ireland could signal the end for TV3

Meanwhile in the Indo it was

'I don't know why they are coming to the Republic' - Gaybo on UTV

Now it was at the same event and it seemed to be the same quotes. When you actually read the piece he just seems to say stuff off the top of his head but he never appeared to say TV3 were finished and the Coming to the Republic quote is out of Context.

That's why I prefer actual announcements from the Companies rather than the spin that Newspapers and Websites put on the story.

Of course when they're getting this stuff wrong, why do we think they get other things right?

Links:

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/i-dont-know-why-they-are-coming-to-the-republic-gaybo-on-utv-30525325.html

http://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/arts-culture-news/gay-byrne-utv-coming-ireland-4080393

Onthe3rdDay · 25-08-2014 6:23pm

Sorry about size icdg. Computer issues, was not intended.

Elmo · 26-08-2014 10:40am

Not sure if this was mention here on in the UTV thread but the smaller RTÉ News set.

icdg · 26-08-2014 10:43am

That's nice, but nothing to do with TV3...

Elmo · 26-08-2014 10:50am

icdg wrote: »

That's nice, but nothing to do with TV3...

Indeed but I think someone mention RTÉ News' summer hols here or in the UTV thread. Prob the other thread.

iseegirls · 26-08-2014 11:21am

Looking forward to seeing what TV3 have in store for Anton Savage. What with him leaving Ireland AM, it may be tough to see where he would fit in around the schedule at the moment. Might wait till January and go into the evening show they have planned

Ray Foley is back on TV3 with the algorithm. Be interesting what kind of show this would be. If they're getting Ray in, it must be a more of a fun quiz, compared the more serious ones like The Lie.

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 2:15pm

iseegirls wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing what TV3 have in store for Anton Savage. What with him leaving Ireland AM, it may be tough to see where he would fit in around the schedule at the moment.

Yes indeed it is so hard to see where he would fit in around the schedule, God knows how many ITV repeats would have to be cancelled.

iseegirls · 26-08-2014 2:34pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Yes indeed it is so hard to see where he would fit in around the schedule, God knows how many ITV repeats would have to be cancelled.

Well they will have Xpose going from 6-7, and mainly soaps running from 7-9 until January. I would have thought that a daily evening news/current affairs show would have been better for him (similar to what he had with Ireland AM from 7-8am), unless they go down the chat show route and place him after 9.

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 2:45pm

iseegirls wrote: »

Well they will have Xpose going from 6-7, and mainly soaps running from 7-9 until January. I would have thought that a daily evening news/current affairs show would have been better for him (similar to what he had with Ireland AM from 7-8am), unless they go down the chat show route and place him after 9.

Monday to Friday they could slot him in

8.00-8.30 Monday to Friday (Excluding Tuesdays with Champions league)
9.00- 11.00 Monday to Friday (Excluding Tuesdays with Champions league)
Anytime Saturday, expect when X factor is on.
Anytime Sunday, Except when X factor is on.

That 7-8am show might have been good (Probably was as he's a decent broadcaster) However, there were so few watching who'd know.

Elmo · 26-08-2014 3:16pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Monday to Friday they could slot him in

It might just be once a week. Though I'd be surprised if he just gets a week in review type show, or he might just be fronting their new Docs arm.

18:00 Xposé
19:00 Quiz Shows (The Lie etc)
19:30 The 7:30 with Cybill and Micheal (Imaginative aren't I)
20:00 Red Rock & Other Dramas
20:30 The 8:30 with Anton (Trés Imaginative Non!)
21:00 As TV3 Now
23:00 Tonight with VB

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 3:24pm

Elmo wrote: »

It might just be once a week. Though I'd be surprised if he just gets a week in review type show, or he might just be fronting their new Docs arm.

18:00 Xposé
19:00 Quiz Shows (The Lie etc)
19:30 The 7:30 with Cybill and Micheal (Imaginative aren't I)
20:00 Red Rock & Other Dramas
20:30 The 8:30 with Anton (Trés Imaginative Non!)
21:00 As TV3 Now
23:00 Tonight with VB

Actually the time he'd be most likely to go on would be 7 so all studio productions would be finished (with the exception of Vincent) by 8. Also the Quiz Shows would have to go out at 8 because Fair City is on at that time.
So Red Rock at 8.30. Plus I will say that if he was presenting A hard news show at 7 he'd really only be up against Channel 4 news. So it could be a ratings winner (in a TV3 sense)

iseegirls · 26-08-2014 4:10pm

I think 7 would be good too - plus it also allows it to not be interrupted by CL at 7.30.

5:30 The 5:30
6:00 Xpose
7:00 Savage TV
7:30 The Seven Thirty Show With Cybil (Tue - Champions League)
8:00 Temple Street/CL/Animal A&E/The Lie/Crossfire
8:30 Neville/CL/Red Rock/Red Rock/Nothing To Declare
9:00 Irish TV Shows
10:00 Best Of the Rest - Dallas/Wentworth Prison/Law And Order SVU/Broadchurch ...
11:00 Tonight With VB

Cork_chick_94 · 26-08-2014 5:54pm

I think they Should move the tonight with vb show back an hour to 10pm

Elmo · 26-08-2014 7:16pm

iseegirls wrote: »

7:00 Savage TV
7:30 The Seven Thirty Show With Cybil (Tue - Champions League)

Ah see your much more creative than I, If only I had put the word Show at the end :pac: Bet those are the titles given tomorrow

We forget that Champions League might only have a few months left on TV3.

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 7:24pm

Elmo wrote: »

Ah see your much more creative than I, If only I had put the word Show at the end :pac: Bet those are the titles given tomorrow

We forget that Champions League might only have a few months left on TV3.

It's also important to point out that these changes need to be made in the next few weeks, All that ITV programming except for the soaps and the shows they're keeping needs to be shifted off to 3e, to give new shows a chance to gain some sort of audience. Trying to bring on all these new shows once the soaps go would be A fatal mistake.

They really need that Evening show to go out at 8 as soon as possible and Any other new shows need to be on air by the end of September. They should have been on since the start of the year but that boat has left the port.

If they try to launch a New schedule with loads of new shows from the 1st of January they'll be knocked out of the water by UTV.

Infoanon · 26-08-2014 7:44pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

It's also important to point out that these changes need to be made in the next few weeks, All that ITV programming except for the soaps and the shows they're keeping needs to be shifted off to 3e, to give new shows a chance to gain some sort of audience. Trying to bring on all these new shows once the soaps go would be A fatal mistake.

They really need that Evening show to go out at 8 as soon as possible and Any other new shows need to be on air by the end of September. They should have been on since the start of the year but that boat has left the port.

If they try to launch a New schedule with loads of new shows from the 1st of January they'll be knocked out of the water by UTV.

TV3 probably have no choice, Advertisers will not accept programming moving to 3e unless a substantial discount is given.

There will be a lot of hype at the new season launch, it will be interesting to see if any journalist will ask or comment on the difficult questions.

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 8:14pm

Infoanon wrote: »

TV3 probably have no choice, Advertisers will not accept programming moving to 3e unless a substantial discount is given.

There will be a lot of hype at the new season launch, it will be interesting to see if any journalist will ask or comment on the difficult questions.

I'd agree with you about that, However viewing figures for the shows are pretty low to begin with. Advertisers care about how many viewers and some of the shows that are currently on TV3 don't rate well as it is. The Soaps couldn't be moved and X factor is worth keeping but a lot of the other shows might do almost as well with a different show in the time slot. Plus You have to have to break the habit gently. Going cold Turkey on the 1st of January will lead to problems almost straight away.

This might be their last chance to get things right. I can imagine on the 5th of January. Those that turn on TV3 and find A new TV3 evening show are likely to run off to the new home of The soaps, so you're looking at Late Lunch Ratings in Primetime.

I'm sure some tough questions will be asked and they will be answered. But the answers will be the usual cloud cuckoo land stuff no doubt. Most will just enjoy the event and rewrite the press release they're given.

Elmo · 26-08-2014 8:47pm

In fairness to TV3! I can't imagine audience figures as low as Late Lunch Live in prime time, I expect TV3 to have the same kind of audience they had pre-Granada

Onthe3rdDay · 26-08-2014 8:54pm

Elmo wrote: »

In fairness to TV3! I can't imagine audience figures as low as Late Lunch Live in prime time, I expect TV3 to have the same kind of audience they had pre-Granada

I'd agree but all it's audience will have headed off with the soaps. There would be very few people that would be watching the Soaps causally. At the same time anyone who's sitting down and not paying too much attention to TV matters but doesn't like soaps will naturally head away from TV3 and UTV.

Even at the moment when you look at TV3's top 20 for the week, Programmes 20 only makes it to 100,000 viewers. These shows won't be anywhere near the top 20 so while Late Lunch figures might be an over-exaggeration, it might be only by 10,000 or so.

That's why they need to build new shows up now, then move them to new times in January. That way they might give themselves a fighting chance.
You really can't over-estmate how poorly TV3 and RTE2 are doing in Prime time at this stage. That's why Advertisers are heading off to Sat stations and why UTV sees an opening.

Onthe3rdDay · 27-08-2014 1:28am

Another very pro TV3 Column from the Independent stable.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/columnists/daragh-keany/its-absurd-that-rte-gets-my-full-160

He goes on that it's not fair that TV3 have to compete in such a tough market and has the bright idea that the Licence fee is divided up on pro rata level

He seems to ignore the fact that TV3 already get funding from the licence fee via the Sound and Vision Fund.

TV3 knew the rules when they got the licence and opened back in 1998. UTV have no problem coming in here and operating as a commercial Station.

He says that it's a great station run by great people but just can't compete with the might of RTE, SKY and UTV. Normally in this situation UTV would be the underdog
Plus if it's so great the audience won't follow the ITV soaps and programmes. However, the truth is that the audience are the ones that will decide it's faith and at the moment
it's more likely to be a thumbs down.

It's not a very important article on it's own because not many will read it and it's highly biased and inaccurate, but I reckon we'll see a lot more like this from the independent stable over the next 12 months.

Fred Swanson · 27-08-2014 1:30am

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Sam Russell · 27-08-2014 8:35am

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I think they just follow orders.

L1011 · 27-08-2014 9:25am

Dinny is definitely trying to soften up public opinion for what will end up being a major issue when he tries to buy TV3 - as the Competition Authority, BAI and the DCENR would all have damn good reasons to refuse that.

If the general public have been force-fed the idea of "poor Irish TV3, being bullied by THE BRITISH, they need to be saved by someone rich and Irish..." that'll sway governmental and regulatory decisions.

Sam Russell · 27-08-2014 10:10am

MYOB wrote: »

Dinny is definitely trying to soften up public opinion for what will end up being a major issue when he tries to buy TV3 - as the Competition Authority, BAI and the DCENR would all have damn good reasons to refuse that.

If the general public have been force-fed the idea of "poor Irish TV3, being bullied by THE BRITISH, they need to be saved by someone rich and Irish..." that'll sway governmental and regulatory decisions.

Like a tax exile?

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