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Scientology vs Socialism

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  • #52
    BalcombeSt4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    There are so many errors here, not sure where to begin. Yes it is true the rich are less likely to squander, do drugs, smoke, binge on alcohol, gamble etc and are more likely to save a portion of their income instead. Contrary to Keynesian notions, saving is in fact good for the economic future of a country and everyone in it.

    Well you must be poor then because you are an absoulte ****


  • #53
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    I have already advocated for the return of the workhouses but that is another days work.

    I do want the low paid to take massive pay cuts and the dole to be reduced to a pittance but to be fair to me I also said the politicians and civil servants need to lead by example before that can happen.
    Although I recall that previous suggestions that you yourself might lead by example have been met with deafening silence.


  • #54
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Although I recall that previous suggestions that you yourself might lead by example have been met with deafening silence.
    I am not a leader so it is not my job to lead. It is the job of leaders to lead and the best way to do that is by example. Unfortunately, Irish politicians do not excel at leadership.


  • #55
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Leaders lead by exemplifying the behaviour that they think is needed. A leader who fails to exemplify the behaviour that realitykeeper thinks is needed is not failing in leadership; he's failing to take seriously the nonsense pedalled by realitykeeper, but that's the kind of failure that I like to encourage.

    These are your ideas, realitykeeper. If you are not prepared to take the lead in making them a reality, who else will? If you excuse yourself from this burden, how can you criticise others, who do not even share your bizarre ideas, for not doing what you choose not to do?


  • #56
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Leaders lead by exemplifying the behaviour that they think is needed. A leader who fails to exemplify the behaviour that realitykeeper thinks is needed is not failing in leadership; he's failing to take seriously the nonsense pedalled by realitykeeper, but that's the kind of failure that I like to encourage.

    These are your ideas, realitykeeper. If you are not prepared to take the lead in making them a reality, who else will? If you excuse yourself from this burden, how can you criticise others, who do not even share your bizarre ideas, for not doing what you choose not to do?
    So what you are saying is if a leader thinks he should pay himself a ridiculously large salary, thats fine because he thinks he should.


  • #57
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    So what you are saying is if a leader thinks he should pay himself a ridiculously large salary, thats fine because he thinks he should.
    No, I'm not saying anything remotely like that. Are you not reading my posts before you reply to them?


  • #58
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    No, I'm not saying anything remotely like that. Are you not reading my posts before you reply to them?
    Indeed I do and I respond accordingly, n`est-ce pas?


  • #59
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    Indeed I do and I respond accordingly, n`est-ce pas?
    Non. What you say in post #56 is not in any sense a response to anything I wrote. I didn't express any view, one way or the other, about what "leaders" should do by way of implementing your beliefs; I expressed a view about what you should do by way of implementing them.


  • #60
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Non. What you say in post #56 is not in any sense a response to anything I wrote. I didn't express any view, one way or the other, about what "leaders" should do by way of implementing your beliefs; I expressed a view about what you should do by way of implementing them.
    Yes and I tactfully maneuvered you back to what leaders should do.


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  • #61
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Ignoring completely what I have said, and ascribing to me opinions which I have never expressed and which you have no reason to believe that I hold, is hardly "tactful".


  • #62
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Ignoring completely what I have said, and ascribing to me opinions which I have never expressed and which you have no reason to believe that I hold, is hardly "tactful".
    Au contraire, what I said was the height of tact. I merely reflected a mirror image of your argument and voila, you saw your position for what it was.


  • #63
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Yes, I saw my position as calling you out for criticising for not implementing your own ideas, when you are not prepared to implement them yourself. That has been my position for many months now, and it has not changed.

    If you think what you posted was a "mirror image" of my argument, I can only conclude that you have never seen a mirror. What you posted bore no relationship to anything I said, not even an inverse relationship.


  • #64
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Yes, I saw my position as calling you out for criticising for not implementing your own ideas, when you are not prepared to implement them yourself. That has been my position for many months now, and it has not changed.

    I suspect you are being disingenuous. You know as well as I do that martyrs in this country are merely a laughing stock. The Irish need to be led. For that we need leaders.
    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If you think what you posted was a "mirror image" of my argument, I can only conclude that you have never seen a mirror. What you posted bore no relationship to anything I said, not even an inverse relationship.

    I do not agree.


  • #65
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    I suspect you are being disingenuous. You know as well as I do that martyrs in this country are merely a laughing stock. The Irish need to be led. For that we need leaders.



    I do not agree.

    This obviously includes you, Can I ask why you feel the need to be led?


  • #66
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    You know as well as I do that martyrs in this country are merely a laughing stock.
    Just because you're a laughing-stock, realitykeeper, that doesn't mean you're a martyr. There are other possible explanations.


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  • #67
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    This obviously includes you, Can I ask why you feel the need to be led?

    As my viewpoint suggests, I am already enlightened so no it does not include me.


  • #68
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Just because you're a laughing-stock, realitykeeper, that doesn't mean you're a martyr. There are other possible explanations.
    And you accuse me of misquoting you:rolleyes:


  • #69
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    As my viewpoint suggests, I am already enlightened so no it does not include me.

    HA!!!!! :rolleyes:


  • #70
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    And you accuse me of misquoting you:rolleyes:
    No, I don't. I have accused you of several things, and you have chosen not to address any of those accusations. But I haven't accuse you of misquoting me.


  • #71
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    No, I don't. I have accused you of several things, and you have chosen not to address any of those accusations. But I haven't accuse you of misquoting me.
    Ha!!


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  • #72
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,776 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    No, I don't. I have accused you of several things, and you have chosen not to address any of those accusations. But I haven't accuse you of misquoting me.

    Methinks you've been dragged into a game of pigeon chess there P. :)


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