Astral projection

Kylta · 18-10-2020 3:40pm #1

Or out of body experience!
Years ago when I was a teenager, I remember laying on the couch after a football match and having an out of body experience, I was facing myself looking down from the ceiling (no the exorcist was happening in my house, oh It was before I was indugling in narcotics ). I remember this subject being brought up on several occassions. My father said he had an out of body experience has a teen. A woman I know had one when she lost a lot of blood giving birth.
Now I was never frightened of the experience. But I often wonder always if I didn't re-enter my body or lost sight of my body then would I have died. I also wonder was that my soul looking down on me.

Did you ever have an out of body experience? (Drugs don't count,) and what's your experience of it?

Is it possible that its your soul that's leaving your body?

So what do you think?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-10-2020 3:42pm

Yes but it involved a lot of psychedelics and some horse tranquilizer, so not sure if it counts...

Kylta · 18-10-2020 3:45pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yes but it involved a lot of psychedelics and some horse tranquilizer, so not sure if it counts...

In my late teens I was into mala and acid. But ive never had the same experience as an out of body one.

19-10-2020 8:22am

Kylta wrote: »

Did you ever have an out of body experience? (Drugs don't count,) and what's your experience of it?

It can occasionally happen to me when meditating yea. You get used to it after awhile I think.

Kylta wrote: »

Is it possible that its your soul that's leaving your body?

"Possible" is a powerful word. I am sure it is possible. But I do not at all think that is what is happening no.

Kylta wrote: »

So what do you think?

I think this is a fun trick at parties. Not quite Out Of Body Experience but likely a similar thing going on.

Kylta · 19-10-2020 8:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

It can occasionally happen to me when meditating yea. You get used to it after awhile I think.

"Possible" is a powerful word. I am sure it is possible. But I do not at all think that is what is happening no.

I think this is a fun trick at parties. Not quite Out Of Body Experience but likely a similar thing going on.

I really don't know enough about yoga to know whether you can leave your body.

In regards to maybe it being your soul, when you listen to people explaining it, they all seem fatigued at the time.

I truly never heard of it has a party trick. Maybe magician use something similar to it in hypnosis. Or maybe when your fatigued your body causes self hypnosis, I don't really know the answer to your body leaving your body. But there has to be a reason for it

19-10-2020 8:45am

Well the reason the hand thing works seems to be simple enough. Your brain uses more that one sensory input at any time to figure out where your hand is. Internal nerves and senses and your vision are two of these. The party hand trick likely works because your brain is now getting two contradicting stimulus and it has to choose which one to trust. When it makes that decision suddenly your brain flips and you think the fake hand is your real hand.

So out of body experience is most likely something similar. Your brain has many inputs telling it where your body is in space. Nerves in your butt or feet where you are sitting / standing for example. The hairs in your ears which control your sense of balance. Liquid in your ears which control your sense of up and down. Visual Queues. And much more.

So OBE is probably what happens when those things go out of sync or one or more of them simply fail. And rather than simply feel your hand/arm is now differnet to the original - you feel your entire self outside the body.

What probably doesn't help is that our brain's have a weird way of making up stories and facts when the world is not making sense.

I do not know much about Deja Vu but I would also suspect it is something similar. A simple effect caused when one or more inputs to the brain fail or go out of sync temporarily.

Kylta · 19-10-2020 8:55am

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Well the reason the hand thing works seems to be simple enough. Your brain uses more that one sensory input at any time to figure out where your hand is. Internal nerves and senses and your vision are two of these. The party hand trick likely works because your brain is now getting two contradicting stimulus and it has to choose which one to trust. When it makes that decision suddenly your brain flips and you think the fake hand is your real hand.

So out of body experience is most likely something similar. Your brain has many inputs telling it where your body is in space. Nerves in your butt or feet where you are sitting / standing for example. The hairs in your ears which control your sense of balance. Liquid in your ears which control your sense of up and down. Visual Queues. And much more.

So OBE is probably what happens when those things go out of sync or one or more of them simply fail. And rather than simply feel your hand/arm is now differnet to the original - you feel your entire self outside the body.

What probably doesn't help is that our brain's have a weird way of making up stories and facts when the world is not making sense.

I do not know much about Deja Vu but I would also suspect it is something similar. A simple effect caused when one or more inputs to the brain fail or go out of sync temporarily.

So it could be a combination of fatigue and stress causes the brain to remove or project itself from the body, to escape from whatever is making it stressed.

seamus · 19-10-2020 8:56am

It's been pretty conclusively shown that OBE's don't actually involve any real floating outside the body. "Suspended figure" experiments involve hanging a piece of card with a symbol or picture on it, from the ceiling, with the picture pointing upwards.

People who claim to have experienced an OBE in that room are unable to recall any details of these pictures. A number of these experiments have been done and none have shown even a suggestion that any individual was observing their own body in real time.

Because it's all a fabrication of the mind. As the man above says, when sensory input makes no sense, the body desperately tries to find a way to make it, make sense.

Kylta · 19-10-2020 9:05am

seamus wrote: »

It's been pretty conclusively shown that OBE's don't actually involve any real floating outside the body. "Suspended figure" experiments involve hanging a piece of card with a symbol or picture on it, from the ceiling, with the picture pointing upwards.

People who claim to have experienced an OBE in that room are unable to recall any details of these pictures. A number of these experiments have been done and none have shown even a suggestion that any individual was observing their own body in real time.

Because it's all a fabrication of the mind. As the man above says, when sensory input makes no sense, the body desperately tries to find a way to make it, make sense.

I think you can't really turn it on or off, I think it just happens maybe for a moment in time. I think there are people who think or maybe are savants. But my experience of it was maybe four decades ago, it would've happened maybe 3 or 4 times over say the space off a couple of weeks and never happened again.

19-10-2020 9:15am

Kylta wrote: »

So it could be a combination of fatigue and stress causes the brain to remove or project itself from the body, to escape from whatever is making it stressed.

It could be caused by stress and fatigue yes. But if so then I do not think it is an escapism thing. As if the brain "intends" to do anything.

I would sooner suspect it is simply a failure in the system caused by the stress/fatigue.

Insect Overlord · 19-10-2020 10:30am

It's a fascinating idea, and one I used to think about a lot before I got older and more cynical. The idea of travelling on another plane, free of the constraints of the physical body, to commune with spirits or entities from different dimensions, or even to get a message to someone far away, is profound. It was probably even more enticing in times before world-wide, instant messaging technology.

sbsquarepants · 19-10-2020 10:44am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yes but it involved a lot of psychedelics and some horse tranquilizer, so not sure if it counts...

They all count!

I went through an extended period of trying when i was a teenager, with limited success. I occasionally felt as though i was floating / moving but nothing i'd count as an OBE.

But then maybe ten years later - 2 big fat lines of K..job done:D

These days cynical old me feels that psychedelics are the only viable route

Kylta · 19-10-2020 2:49pm

Maybe the human brain can do things that we haven't seen yet or maybe we don't understand it. Maybe when your stressed the brain adopts the flight or flee, idea and removes itself from the body in the form of escapism, but has to go back to the body or you die? Don't know if this is making sense?
But in my late teens I indulged in acid, and the outer body thing was absolutely nothing like tripping

o1s1n · 19-10-2020 3:06pm

Anyone who gets these ever read up on 'Alice in Wonderland Syndrome'?

I used to get it a lot as a kid and still get it sometimes now if I'm staring at a computer screen for a long time in a dark room.

Your perception of what's close and what's far away get really distorted.

A screen suddenly starts to feel like it's really far away, maybe at the end of a corridor. Likewise, your limbs and body might feel really long, as if they are stretching down the corridor if you were to try and touch the screen.

It can feel very out of body and detached from reality. Is more common in kids than adults.

Insect Overlord · 19-10-2020 3:19pm

Kylta wrote: »

Maybe when your stressed the brain adopts the flight or flee, idea and removes itself from the body in the form of escapism, but has to go back to the body or you die? Don't know if this is making sense?

Is that not what happens to most people when they're posting in the Current Affairs forum? :pac:

cj maxx · 19-10-2020 3:39pm

The astral plane was a Native American thing I thought. Usually visited after smoking the pipe !
No this https://www.gaia.com/article/what-is-astral-projection

Astral projection

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