The Healy Raes

Graces7 · 28-04-2021 3:47pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Correcting you and your blind ignorance to the arts and culture! Seriously, modern music isn't culture?

I've been & stayed on the island you live on plenty of times under my own steam Graces! No need for the subsidised ferry!

Sigh... Peace! Real culture is above and beneath all art. It IS art. Nature IS art.

That is my way and as valid as any other. Especially in this particular thread. So you have no valid reason to correct anyone. Bless you!

Good night and sleep well..

Banana Republic 1 · 28-04-2021 3:48pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

The arts may not be essential to you, but to others, the written and spoken word, architecture, music, visual arts and collaborations are what makes people happy. And they are loved throughout the world.

Agriculture is a true culture, there's no doubt about that. There's also subcultures, music, the arts on your island.. what you'd consider the "frills" but you obviously don't have an interest in these.

There not subcultures

Graces7 · 28-04-2021 3:50pm

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Graces7 is gas, she harps on about how wonderful, remote and peaceful rural life is and then spends all her time on d'internet......

lol.. not all day. just closing down for the next 18 hours or more.. no music no TV just windsong

You are all such fascinating folk! So interesting!
Writing a book you see..research..

John_Rambo · 28-04-2021 3:55pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Sigh... Peace! Real culture is above and beneath all art

No, you're wrong. Read a book before you write one!

Culture is the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

Nature is the natural environment, the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.

Graces7 · 28-04-2021 3:55pm

G'night all. Thanks for the grand company on a dark day.

Hoof Hearted2 · 28-04-2021 3:56pm

Graces7 wrote: »

lol.. not all day. just closing down for the next 18 hours or more.. no music no TV just windsong

You are all such fascinating folk! So interesting!
Writing a book you see..research..

I'm a native culchie turf muncher

, so don't be calling me fascinating or interesting, you're only an ould blow in with you're big fancy words, take it back, I tell ou, take it back:D

Graces7 · 28-04-2021 3:56pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Why have you posted a blank message?

Goodnight..

Hoof Hearted2 · 28-04-2021 3:58pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, you're wrong. Read a book before you write one!

Culture is the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.

Nature is the natural environment, the phenomena of the physical world collectively, including plants, animals, the landscape, and other features and products of the earth, as opposed to humans or human creations.

Ya know what they say John_Rambo, there's a book in everyone! But for most people that's where it should stay!!! boom boom!

John_Rambo · 28-04-2021 4:02pm

Graces7 wrote: »

John_Rambo wrote: »

Why have you posted a blank message?

Goodnight..

I didn't, I just corrected you, look, don't get offended, you got it wrong.

Good Afternoon.

sebdavis · 28-04-2021 4:06pm

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Graces7 is gas, she harps on about how wonderful, remote and peaceful rural life is and then spends all her time on d'internet......

Why are people not supposed to use the internet in the countryside?
Not really 100% I understand your point, the countryside is remote and peaceful but that doesn't have to mean you should have no electricity or internet. Does it?

John_Rambo · 28-04-2021 4:06pm

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

There not subcultures

Sorry, I meant these exist along with other subcultures.

John_Rambo · 28-04-2021 4:11pm

sebdavis wrote: »

Why are people not supposed to use the internet in the countryside?
Not really 100% I understand your point, the countryside is remote and peaceful but that doesn't have to mean you should have no electricity or internet. Does it?

It's not that, it's that she's slightly condescending to anyone that doesn't live her lifestyle and is a bit sneery at anyone that in any way relies on technology. Yet she's online a good bit and nobody relies more on tech than her when it comes to supplying her with essentials on the island she lives on.

Hoof Hearted2 · 28-04-2021 4:12pm

sebdavis wrote: »

Why are people not supposed to use the internet in the countryside?
Not really 100% I understand your point, the countryside is remote and peaceful but that doesn't have to mean you should have no electricity or internet. Does it?

Whish, over my head:rolleyes:

Don't sweat it sebdavies, Graces7 got it:pac:

Necro · 28-04-2021 4:37pm

Mod:

I've no idea why some posters feel it is ok to get personal and derail the thread with off topic discussion but here we are. John Rambo and Hoof Hearted2, please take a day off from posting in the thread.

Any questions feel free to PM me

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 5:29pm

MHR also mentioned the cement industry in the video.

If we are to become carbon neutral by 2050 what are the proposals with the cement industry ? Are there any new wonder materials on the horizon, its it going to be done by offsetting or carbon capture ?

The EPA say that emissions in this sector will increase by 8 % by 2030.

Anyone know the proposed route to carbon neutrality for building/cement industry...

sebdavis · 28-04-2021 5:53pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

MHR also mentioned the cement industry in the video.

If we are to become carbon neutral by 2050 what are the proposals with the cement industry ? Are there any new wonder materials on the horizon, its it going to be done by offsetting or carbon capture ?

The EPA say that emissions in this sector will increase by 8 % by 2030.

Anyone know the proposed route to carbon neutrality for building/cement industry...

Google: https://www.irishcement.ie/sustainability/alternative-fuels/

When or what did MHR mention in this video, I would love to see it.

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 6:00pm

sebdavis wrote: »

Google: https://www.irishcement.ie/sustainability/alternative-fuels/

When or what did MHR mention in this video, I would love to see it.

They talk of reduction in co2 by using waste as a fuel, or biomass, nothing about a plan for neutrality, they are addressing the fuel aide of the process which only accounts for 40% of the co2.

which must mean a completely different process for the other 60%.

Water John · 28-04-2021 8:09pm

MHR might want to use GGBS, made by Ecocem.

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 8:22pm

Water John wrote: »

MHR might want to use GGBS, made by Ecocem.

That requires cement (30%).

TaurenDruid · 28-04-2021 8:46pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

That requires cement (30%).

Do you ever propose (scientific, evidence-based) solutions to climate change, or just knock those who are trying?

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 8:59pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Do you ever propose (scientific, evidence-based) solutions to climate change, or just knock those who are trying?

Yes - I take it you dont read my posts, the one where I mention the Dubai bulb. Proven, working method to save 50% of lighting cost and massively increase lifespan, already implemented in Dubai.

To make change you need to plan, just saying we are going to be carbon neutral does nothing.

I dont know how they are going to make cement production (if still used) carbon neutral, hence the question. No one has proposed a plan, so there is nothing to knock.

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 9:24pm

One other thing, making noise about your intentions , with no published plans of how you are going to achieve it, is a proven way to upset unions and trigger industrial action.

Seems just common sense that if you say you are going to do something you give people a notion of how you are going to achieve it.

TaurenDruid · 28-04-2021 9:42pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

One other thing, making noise about your intentions , with no published plans of how you are going to achieve it, is a proven way to upset unions and trigger industrial action.

Seems just common sense that if you say you are going to do something you give people a notion of how you are going to achieve it.

Like this, you mean?

* https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/22e97-government-approves-landmark-climate-bill-putting-ireland-on-the-path-to-net-zero-emissions-by-2050/

* https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/f6197-climate-conversations/

* https://assets.gov.ie/128070/c55193e6-6917-4c56-b01d-78d1b868ec3d.pdf

Plenty of notions there now for you to be reading up on.

sebdavis · 28-04-2021 9:47pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

One other thing, making noise about your intentions , with no published plans of how you are going to achieve it, is a proven way to upset unions and trigger industrial action.

Seems just common sense that if you say you are going to do something you give people a notion of how you are going to achieve it.

Plenty of "notion" put forward by all parties and by people all over the World

It is easier for the Healy Rae to do nothing but put down everyone else. Then they can never get accused of been wrong. The phrase "hurlers from the ditch" is the best description of the Healy Raes.

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 10:00pm

Yes I have flicked through those before.

It it mainly timelines for making plans and establishing responsibilities.

I might have missed it but did not see anything about the cement industry other than use green fuels for the heating, but not seen anything about the released co2 in the process.

As I said earlier, there is low hanging fruit, immediate savings to be had, but they are ignored. FITs, solar incentives, small scale hydro, energy efficient devices etc etc. If climate change really was that high up on the list it would not be too difficult to implement measures that would have immediate effect. Its the lack of "meat" in the plan that worries me.

sebdavis · 28-04-2021 10:18pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Yes I have flicked through those before.

It it mainly timelines for making plans and establishing responsibilities.

I might have missed it but did not see anything about the cement industry other than use green fuels for the heating, but not seen anything about the released co2 in the process.

As I said earlier, there is low hanging fruit, immediate savings to be had, but they are ignored. FITs, solar incentives, small scale hydro, energy efficient devices etc etc. If climate change really was that high up on the list it would not be too difficult to implement measures that would have immediate effect. Its the lack of "meat" in the plan that worries me.

Solar incentives are available for years, PV recently and thermal before that. Small scale hydro?
Energy efficient devices have been going for year, old devices removed from sale. RoHs etc took care of a lot of that. Older bulbs no longer available. Bag removed from sale. New houses having to be build to high standard etc

All of this been done and loads more.

Plenty of "meat" in the plan, problem is selling the "meat" to people, especially when the people listen to a pair of idiots

SlowBlowin · 28-04-2021 10:45pm

As someone who has generated their own power for over a decade I am assure you that the implementation of renewables in Ireland has been very bad. I was earning ROCs in the UK many years ago and yet Ireland is only just implementing FITs.

At some point government will realise that Ireland has huge small scale hydro potential, but at the moment very little is happening. For a full year I monitored the small stream that flows near my property, more of a drainage ditch than anything else. Daily sampling has showed enough flow (5-10 lts) to produce over 500 watts, continuously, for 6 months of the year. This is more than enough for a small house. There are streams like this everywhere in Ireland, and on the larger scale too.

Insulation is the way to go and should be a priority for incentive.

Watch some videos on the Dubai light bulbs, light bulbs that are sold to the European public are not designed to last, and they dont. Engineered obsolescence will be made illegal at some point but right now its the basis for many industries including LED light bulbs. Its not so much the 50% energy saving, but more so the manufacturing footprint, the Dubai bulbs basically last a lifetime..

RoHS just resulted in bad solder joints everywhere. You wont find many electronic engineers using anything other than leaded solder.

I see little meat, but lots of top heavy red tape, waffle and bureaucracy in the plan as it exists today. If there was real hunger for co2 reduction great strides could have already been made.

TaurenDruid · 28-04-2021 11:23pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Insulation is the way to go and should be a priority for incentive.

Pretty sure it is.

Engineered obsolescence will be made illegal at some point but right now its the basis for many industries including LED light bulbs.

Outlawing engineered obsolescence is a great aspiration. If only we knew some national legislators who could, I dunno, propose a private members bill? Or even just lobby the responsible minister to introduce a government bill?

I see little meat, but lots of top heavy red tape, waffle and bureaucracy in the plan as it exists today. If there was real hunger for co2 reduction great strides could have already been made.

Some great strides have already been made, by individuals, some industries, energy providers switching to renewables, the public sector, etc.

And yes, there's plenty of waffle and bureaucracy in the emerging plans, and not enough front-loaded action points. But why not say that to your TDs, get them to seek less red tape and more front-loaded, strong action points?

sebdavis · 28-04-2021 11:23pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

As someone who has generated their own power for over a decade I am assure you that the implementation of renewables in Ireland has been very bad. I was earning ROCs in the UK many years ago and yet Ireland is only just implementing FITs.

At some point government will realise that Ireland has huge small scale hydro potential, but at the moment very little is happening. For a full year I monitored the small stream that flows near my property, more of a drainage ditch than anything else. Daily sampling has showed enough flow (5-10 lts) to produce over 500 watts, continuously, for 6 months of the year. This is more than enough for a small house. There are streams like this everywhere in Ireland, and on the larger scale too.

Insulation is the way to go and should be a priority for incentive.

Watch some videos on the Dubai light bulbs, light bulbs that are sold to the European public are not designed to last, and they dont. Engineered obsolescence will be made illegal at some point but right now its the basis for many industries including LED light bulbs. Its not so much the 50% energy saving, but more so the manufacturing footprint, the Dubai bulbs basically last a lifetime..

RoHS just resulted in bad solder joints everywhere. You wont find many electronic engineers using anything other than leaded solder.

I see little meat, but lots of top heavy red tape, waffle and bureaucracy in the plan as it exists today. If there was real hunger for co2 reduction great strides could have already been made.

Ireland has had FiT since early 2010s...the program closed due to lack of uptake and they provided grants instead

No product can’t be sold that’s non RoHS certified. End of story.

Will leave you to it....maybe you should set up a power station on your stream, see how far 500w gets you when you turn on the toaster

SlowBlowin · 29-04-2021 12:04am

sebdavis wrote: »

Ireland has had FiT since early 2010s...the program closed due to lack of uptake and they provided grants instead

No product can’t be sold that’s non RoHS certified. End of story.

Will leave you to it....maybe you should set up a power station on your stream, see how far 500w gets you when you turn on the toaster

This just shows a poor understanding of renewable systems.

The Irish national average electricity consumption is 4,200 kWh per annum = 11.5 kwh per day.

500 watts = 12 kwh per day.

Add batteries you can have all the toast you want.

Graces7 · 29-04-2021 3:49am

sebdavis wrote: »

Plenty of "notion" put forward by all parties and by people all over the World

It is easier for the Healy Rae to do nothing but put down everyone else. Then they can never get accused of been wrong. The phrase "hurlers from the ditch" is the best description of the Healy Raes.

What an expressive and apt phrase; new to me. Thank you.

For the rest. up to each to lower and adapt as we all and each can. Grass root level. Less theoretical ; more basic action by everyone. And more realism re the state we are truly in. Less …

Been an interesting discussion. Although not read the last pages since I went offline earlier. . . .Just it went too far off topic.

MHR will do what MHR always does as will likeminded folk. I made my position clear to MHR many years ago .

Over for me. Garden calls. Real life at grass root level literally ! The more I grow the less resources I need to draw on. Reality. Into ever deeper simplicity. That is truly cultured in the true sense of the word. Theory is just that. It is the living of it that matters.

Each is different. Spiced variety is good as long as there is no animosity . None here. All welcome. If you come and talk in peace. Else talk to the wall.... lol..."ignore" is a wonderful feature!

Follow your star. No problems with that here.
Just do not ask that I follow YOUR star!

Stay safe out there.

Over and OUT!

sebdavis · 29-04-2021 8:00am

SlowBlowin wrote: »

This just shows a poor understanding of renewable systems.

The Irish national average electricity consumption is 4,200 kWh per annum = 11.5 kwh per day.

500 watts = 12 kwh per day.

Add batteries you can have all the toast you want.

I know all about renewable, thanks for asking.

Banana Republic 1 · 29-04-2021 8:10am

Graces7 wrote: »

What an expressive and apt phrase; new to me. Thank you.

For the rest. up to each to lower and adapt as we all and each can. Grass root level. Less theoretical ; more basic action by everyone. And more realism re the state we are truly in. Less …

Been an interesting discussion. Although not read the last pages since I went offline earlier. . . .Just it went too far off topic.

MHR will do what MHR always does as will likeminded folk. I made my position clear to MHR many years ago .

Over for me. Garden calls. Real life at grass root level literally ! The more I grow the less resources I need to draw on. Reality. Into ever deeper simplicity. That is truly cultured in the true sense of the word. Theory is just that. It is the living of it that matters.

Each is different. Spiced variety is good as long as there is no animosity . None here. All welcome. If you come and talk in peace. Else talk to the wall.... lol..."ignore" is a wonderful feature!

Follow your star. No problems with that here.
Just do not ask that I follow YOUR star!

Stay safe out there.

Over and OUT!

That’s just pure un recyclable plastic waste !

Rows Grower · 13-05-2021 11:40pm

I see Kerry County Council lost in their court case against Mike today, what a total waste of taxpayers money bringing him to court on foot of some ridiculous claim by a person who remains anonymous.

Kerry County Council have to pay their own solicitors and barristers costs as well as 2/3rds of Mike's legal costs.

Crazy carry on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kerry-county-council-fails-in-bid-to-have-large-sign-removed-from-michael-healy-raes-property-40424588.html

jimmycrackcorm · 14-05-2021 1:30am

They lost because they left it so long. I wonder why and surely it should have been obvious to their legal counsel it would have failed because of that.

Masala · 14-05-2021 6:13am

No better man than MHR to know the planning regulations. Sure he advising locals daily on building a house, upgrading septic tanks etc. he knows he way around local regulations etc

And he would run rings around Kerry Council .......

A Win for the little man... if it was you or me we would let council officials bam bozzle us with red tape and just give in! Well done Michael

lawrencesummers · 14-05-2021 6:17am

You think the council would have far more pressing matters to be contending with.

TaurenDruid · 14-05-2021 9:46am

Masala wrote: »

A Win for the little man...

A win for the man with excellent PR, that you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker!

"Little man"?! He and his family are multi-millionaire owners of multiple businesses and rental properties - with lots of sycophantic forelock-tuggers in their fiefdom! "Little man"... JFC! :rolleyes:

TaurenDruid · 14-05-2021 9:52am

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You think the council would have far more pressing matters to be contending with.

Did you read the article? They received a complaint. They had to act. As admitted by MHR himself, in the article.

I get why he was in court and didn't just leave something that was obviously going to be struck out as statute-barred to his solicitor (namely, PR, and here we are talking about him), but why did he need Danny in court with him, too? It was a Dáil sitting day...

ohnonotgmail · 14-05-2021 9:54am

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Did you read the article? They received a complaint. They had to act. As admitted by MHR himself, in the article.

I get why he was in court and didn't just leave something that was obviously going to be struck out as statute-barred to his solicitor (namely, PR, and here we are talking about him), but why did he need Danny in court with him, too? It was a Dáil sitting day...

sure they were getting paid to be up in dublin anyway. Probably shared a car and put in separate mileage expenses.

TaurenDruid · 14-05-2021 10:03am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

sure they were getting paid to be up in dublin anyway. Probably shared a car and put in separate mileage expenses.

And it's only the taxes of "dem up in Dublin" that'd be used to pay any such expenses, no Kerry fiefdom money is involved!

Rows Grower · 14-05-2021 10:08am

TaurenDruid wrote: »

A win for the man with excellent PR, that you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker!

"Little man"?! He and his family are multi-millionaire owners of multiple businesses and rental properties - with lots of sycophantic forelock-tuggers in their fiefdom! "Little man"... JFC! :rolleyes:

Are you absolutely 100% sure of this statement?

ohnonotgmail · 14-05-2021 10:17am

Rows Grower wrote: »

Are you absolutely 100% sure of this statement?

Michael seems to be doing ok for himself

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michael-healy-rae-sets-up-company-to-help-manage-his-21-properties-40082117.html

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/healy-raes-hire-firm-enjoys-bumper-year-with-175000-profit-39231288.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michael-healy-rae-is-d%C3%A1il-s-biggest-landlord-and-declares-nyt-shares-1.4496338

Rows Grower · 14-05-2021 10:36am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Michael seems to be doing ok for himself

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michael-healy-rae-sets-up-company-to-help-manage-his-21-properties-40082117.html

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/healy-raes-hire-firm-enjoys-bumper-year-with-175000-profit-39231288.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michael-healy-rae-is-d%C3%A1il-s-biggest-landlord-and-declares-nyt-shares-1.4496338

None of that is news.

ohnonotgmail · 14-05-2021 10:37am

Rows Grower wrote: »

None of that is news.

indeed it isn't which makes it even weirder why you would ask

Are you absolutely 100% sure of this statement?

to this

He and his family are multi-millionaire owners of multiple businesses and rental properties

mgn · 14-05-2021 12:40pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Michael seems to be doing ok for himself

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/michael-healy-rae-sets-up-company-to-help-manage-his-21-properties-40082117.html

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/healy-raes-hire-firm-enjoys-bumper-year-with-175000-profit-39231288.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/michael-healy-rae-is-d%C3%A1il-s-biggest-landlord-and-declares-nyt-shares-1.4496338

Just goes to show Michael is a lot smarter than the minister for housing who lost 15k with his get rich quick scheme.

And people call the Healy-Rays thick, far from it, the are a lot smarter than some of the muppets going around Leinster house with a swagger and fancy accent to try and make themselves more intelligence looking.

SlowBlowin · 14-05-2021 1:00pm

Business/commercial acumen is a trait that most logical people want their political leaders to possess.

lawrencesummers · 14-05-2021 1:29pm

mgn wrote: »

Just goes to show Michael is a lot smarter than the minister for housing who lost 15k with his get rich quick scheme.

And people call the Healy-Rays thick, far from it, the are a lot smarter than some of the muppets going around Leinster house with a swagger and fancy accent to try and make themselves more intelligence looking.

He didn’t look to clever defending John Delaney.

TaurenDruid · 14-05-2021 2:38pm

mgn wrote: »

And people call the Healy-Rays thick...

Not many on this thread calling them 'thick', in fairness.

golfball37 · 14-05-2021 4:31pm

Most tds are well off and landlords. At least the HR clan try and do something for their own folk instead of following a party line they don’t agree with it.

The Healy Raes

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