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Why are men older in relationships?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    7 years ago..

    Since when does hugging or not hugging a family member define the quality of your relationship with them? Weird post on so many levels.

    One of the weirdest posts I've seen on Boards - and that's saying something.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Women might want someone with accrued wisdom ( ok some want accrued money). Some men might want someone to look up to them. Where that comes unstuck is when she's accrued as much wisdom and experience despite being younger, and is more like his equal, so he has nobody looking up at him with puppydog eyes like he's the master of the universe. So I suppose it has to be someone with very little life experience and learning, which means someone very young.


  • Posts: 17,381 [Deleted User]


    In Vietnam, if the man is younger, it translates to young pilot old airplane.

    It's just a global thing. I would date an older woman, but it would usually be the woman who'd put more weight on it, especially in their twenties. It makes sense socially, in terms of security, and in terms of having children I suppose.

    Men calm down later I guess and then want something stable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    MrAbyss wrote: »
    Money, income, security and less chance of an unwanted pregnancy.

    Women are not more mature. They are more selfish. Older men are aware of just how messed up and completely unrealiable the average woman is and they use them right back.

    It's a far more healthy dynamic than some younger guy being 'in love' with the average woman who'll take pleasure in destroying his hopes, dreams and finances.

    Awwww, bitter are you? Ok I've been through that, it's stupid and not worth the trouble to be bitter. Vast majority of women are sane and well adjusted. And work on your own issues too, usually breakups are the fault of both parties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    What about some older man being "in love" with a woman and destroying her health, self esteem and trust. Men can certainly "use" women just as much as any golddigging woman can "use" a man.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Some very cynical and bitter posts in this thread....

    Laws of attraction are very simple, either you're interested in someone or you're not. I'm sure some women and of course some men do have some other motive behind who they are dating. Most people want to date someone they're attracted to, interested in and actually love though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Some very cynical and bitter posts in this thread....

    Laws of attraction are very simple, either you're interested in someone or you're not. I'm sure some women and of course some men do have some other motive behind who they are dating. Most people want to date someone they're attracted to, interested in and actually love though.

    Totally agree with your point regarding some cynical and bitter posts on this one.

    I don't however agree with attraction being simple.
    Without getting swept up in misogyny or indeed misandry.
    The view that attraction is simple, is well for want a better word simple.
    To borrow some views from that loathsome field of sociology, it is an example of the micro that often breaks down to purely transactional.

    We can generalise broadly that men and indeed women prefer younger, more virile and more fertile sexual partners, and we can also infer that the "junior" member of those pairings also gain something more from such a pairing than having their simple attraction fulfilled.

    What drives the attraction of a younger, fitter and lower socially statused people to older less virile but more affluent people?

    That is how those relationships with a greater than @10Yr gap appear in the micro level to outside observers
    That is the danger of the micro and of applying theory to couples, it ignores the attraction of mind, of shared interests and myriad other things to try and shape those relationships into an imagined category.

    We are shaved monkeys, there is a rush to apply reason, "insight" and theory to what are still our basest motivational urges.
    How we measure status is a vital part of that.

    If one subscribes to the theory of evolution, surely it's always the species drive to improve that shapes the mating imperative?
    The survival of the fittest? Where the fittest is now shaped by assets rather than aggression?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    You can be neither cynical nor gullible, just pragmatic. The fact is you need your wits about you in dating because everyone has their faults and in some people it's greed or fickleness or other things that make them no good and when your feelings are involved you're more vulnerable. At best love (to the extent theyre capable of it) makes them nicer people-for a while at least. Atworst they're users and abusers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    This is because we artificially group men and women of the same age together. When I was mid 20s I simply didn't meet women (or girls) 16,17,18. Plus there is the whole social stigma and legal issue around it.

    When I was 18 and still a boy the girls of my age were women.

    By the time you are late 20s you are already paired up and suddenly have hot 18 and 19 year olds chasing you.

    This is why men who don't get married by 30 tend to put off marriage... Who wouldn't want to play the field for a while rather than mortgage up???

    Until we approached our late 20s, men in their 30s were not on the radar of my group of friends. Not that it could never have happened but 30-something men were not who we beelined for in our early to mid 20s. We stuck to fellow twenty somethings. And our regular haunts were places with a good mix of ages as their clientele.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,434 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    This is why women view circa 80% of men as below average, eggs are expensive, so their mental firmware is designed to only be sexually attracted to top quality men. Whereas for men, sperm is cheap, so it's not a big deal shagging an average or below average woman. So a lot of men will be sexually attracted to below average women.
    What?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Not to come across as too much of a stalker (as it is relatively easy with the right use of the search function), but this would indicate a slight qualification to this position https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80211431&postcount=2441

    There’s so many other ways to convey affection aside from hugging. :confused: It’s so weird that you searched her post history for that too.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What?

    Its Chore Sex man..again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,434 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Its Chore Sex man..again.

    Who?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭Mike9832


    MrAbyss wrote: »
    Money, income, security and less chance of an unwanted pregnancy.

    Women are not more mature. They are more selfish. Older men are aware of just how messed up and completely unrealiable the average woman is and they use them right back.

    It's a far more healthy dynamic than some younger guy being 'in love' with the average woman who'll take pleasure in destroying his hopes, dreams and finances.

    Cats and dogs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    I don't agree with what RacoonQueen said but it's no worse than things which get said quite regularly about women here by the same few.

    Definitely weird to find such a specific post from over seven years ago

    I don't see either though how women are more mature than men. Certainly being the more emotional sex makes this fly in the face of that argument at times.

    Why would being more emotional denote a lack of maturity?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who?

    The Sunday morning poster lol.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,434 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The Sunday morning poster lol.

    I'm never up early on Sundays so I'm lost!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 322 ✭✭SJW Lover


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Women tend to be more advanced than men. They mature mentally quicker, in general.


    15 years working in an office that is 60% female dispels that myth. Far more likely to see childish vindictive behaviour and bullying from the females in my experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    15 years working in an office that is 60% female dispels that myth. Far more likely to see childish vindictive behaviour and bullying from the females in my experience.

    I'd tend to agree with that view on a broad level.
    Cliquey, narky and hold grudges for the slightest sleight.
    Have managed groups of women that left organising work akin to wedding table organisation.

    My wife often remarks on the cliquey behaviour in her workplace too.
    Think menopausal mean girls ;)

    Males in my experience tend to clear the air and deal with work conflict in a much more direct fashion.


  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its Chore Sex man..again.

    I was beginning to miss the cheeky rascal 😂😂


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,869 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    banie01 wrote: »
    I'd tend to agree with that view on a broad level.
    Cliquey, narky and hold grudges for the slightest sleight.
    Have managed groups of women that left organising work akin to wedding table organisation.

    My wife often remarks on the cliquey behaviour in her workplace too.
    Think menopausal mean girls ;)

    Males in my experience tend to clear the air and deal with work conflict in a much more direct fashion.

    In our office, the women are much more direct and less bull****ty than the men, especially the younger men, who would sell their Granny for a fiver to get a promotion and are full of one upmanship over each other and always blaming others. The way they go on, I often wonder ive missed an email somewhere along the line that we are secretly running The Pentagon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 183 ✭✭Andreas77


    They want to groom gormless young women for sex,


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,511 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    anewme wrote: »
    In our office, the women are much more direct and less bull****ty than the men, especially the younger men, who would sell their Granny for a fiver to get a promotion and are full of one upmanship over each other and always blaming others. The way they go on, I often wonder ive missed an email somewhere along the line that we are secretly running The Pentagon.

    I'd tend to agree with you on the younger men.

    I've recently returned to Uni and being in a class of a few hundred of our "best and brightest" is an eye opener.

    The amount of hand-holding that is required for even the most basic life skills is shocking.

    Whatever about bringing laundry home to mammy, I've had to sit through conversations overheard in the library where 2nd and 3rd year students are completely stumped by basic form filling and appointment making.

    Prior to returning to Uni, I have @20yrs professional experience and whatever about taking graduates and training them into how the "real" job gets done, in the last 5yrs our so...
    We had to train and manage graduates in how to converse and engage with clients and staff.

    The move to IM apps, has a lot to do with the rise of anxiety IMO.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    You never want to be too far away from death when getting in to a relationship with a woman .

    Its probably the only way to get out peacefully .


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Day Lewin wrote: »
    Men with their millions of spermatozoa, spend their younger years scattering seed far and wide, kind of blanket bombing.
    In their wiser years, they narrow the field for better accuracy and worthwhile results.

    Meanwhile, women, having only one chance to reproduce a month, and spending much longer in the process, are more discerning in their search for a lasting mate who has more to recommend him than merely millions of spermatozoa.

    It all makes more sense when you put it in terms of Second World War Allied bombing doctrine. Young men want to firebomb Hamburg/Dresden, older men want to take out specific German industrial targets and women are represented by Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the do it big but do it rarely option.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I have to be honest. I don't know why ...but the only relationships i have taken seriously are where the guy was older than me. And no ...before you jump to conclusions they were all broke older guys.

    So its not that.

    I don't know what it is. Maybe it wasn't age but maturity. I guess with the older guy ..we planned things ..we planned getting married at one point talked about kids.

    Its that maturity women seek. I think you can sense a level of maturity from people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I read that in Mark Corrigan's voice.

    I thought it in Mark Corrigan's voice and then typed it out on my ergonomic management keyboard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    SJW Lover wrote: »
    15 years working in an office that is 60% female dispels that myth. Far more likely to see childish vindictive behaviour and bullying from the females in my experience.


    Maybe THAT is why they seek maturity.

    Honestly i feel sometimes i need maturity to guide from my foolishness!:o


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe THAT is why they seek maturity.

    Honestly i feel sometimes i need maturity to guide from my foolishness!:o

    To be fair, his point has some merit. In the vast majority of jobs I've worked in, mos of the department would have been female (Finance and then education). When women work together a lot of the 'maturity' disappears, and you can see them behave quite similar to how men would behave in a mostly male environment. Dirty/sexist jokes, pranks on each other, etc.

    TBH, I don't see much different between men and women in terms of maturity or emotional control. I find that people repeat tired stereotypes claiming that women are more emotional than men, when society & cultural conditioning has moved long past such stereotyping. It's definitely true there being major differences when the two genders are in their teens, but both are equally emotional... it's just the cause of those emotions, and how they're expressed that different. Becoming an adult tends to remove many of those differences though.

    Personally, I'd be of the opinion, that society tolerates more outbursts from women than from men, which has allowed women to be more "emotional" in relationships. There's a lot of social/cultural pressure on men not to cry or express anger in public, whereas allowances are generally made for women. That's not to say that most women behave in such a manner, but many do. It's just that the stereotype is allowed to continue.
    Its that maturity women seek. I think you can sense a level of maturity from people.

    True enough, and that's simply part of what attracts you. Just as some people prefer a lack of maturity in someone. Or they might want a "bad boy" when they're in their 20s, but want "a good man" in their 30's.

    I tend to date women younger than me, simply because women my own age generally don't have similar interests. For example, I enjoy dressing up and heading to an expensive cocktail bar for a few drinks while listening to some decent Jazz... I find that few women my age are interested in the same once they get into a relationship. Instead, it's about socialising with groups of friends at a restaurant, or doing something at home. Whereas younger women tend to enjoy dressing up, going to the bar, and watching those around them.

    I find with most of my male friends (in their late 30s/40s) that there is a difference in what they want from life, as opposed to their partners. In most cases, the woman is focusing on setting up her home and nearby environment. Friends in "this place", acquaintances "in that place", excursions to visit friends being acceptable, but no longer being interested in the same activities from their 30s. Whereas the males want a more active lifestyle, with a continuance of their 30s. Some elements of what their partner wants, but mostly they buckle to her will on most matters.

    I date younger women because they're not interested in "arranging" their life so completely. They're more flexible in their lifestyles and are willing to try new activities.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Or they might want a "bad boy" when they're in their 20s, but want "a good man" in their 30's.



    .



    I have never dated bad boys.

    I have no experience with them.
    I find with most of my male friends (in their late 30s/40s) that there is a difference in what they want from life, as opposed to their partners. In most cases, the woman is focusing on setting up her home and nearby environment. Friends in "this place", acquaintances "in that place", excursions to visit friends being acceptable, but no longer being interested in the same activities from their 30s. Whereas the males want a more active lifestyle, with a continuance of their 30s. Some elements of what their partner wants, but mostly they buckle to her will on most matters.

    I date younger women because they're not interested in "arranging" their life so completely. They're more flexible in their lifestyles and are willing to try new activities

    I've never been flexible ...:P Im too stubborn! :D


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