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UFC 244 Masvidal v Diaz

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  • #252
    tuxy
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    Ref seemed fine to me


  • #253
    EagererBeaver
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    The White Feather wrote: »
    Chandler said this about that doc so it's kinda telling

    https://twitter.com/MikeChandlerMMA/status/1190854359707508737?s=19

    Whatever about Chandler having a broken leg, the doctor 100% correctly stopped his fight. He couldn't walk ffs.

    What's telling?


  • #254
    str8talkingguy
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    They are stricter in NY and we seen worse cuts continue in Vegas but it was bad enough i haven't that big of a problem with the stoppage a few more big elbows on that eye and who knows.


  • #255
    simongurnick
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    Espn just reported the rock gave the doctor the peoples elbow back stage


  • #256
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What did the ref do?

    Ref, doctor, whatever.

    Someone made a massive cluster ****.

    The ref should have told the fight doctor to **** off.


  • #257
    tuxy
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    The fact that he had to constantly wipe his eye was enough. There is no question that his vision was seriously impeded. Nate need to protect that cut in future.


  • #258
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,534 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    simongurnick wrote: »
    Espn just reported the rock gave the doctor the peoples elbow back stage

    Genuinely wouldn't surprise me. Miragliotta actually said "baddest mother-effer" at the start of the fight.


  • #259
    tuxy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Ref, doctor, whatever.

    Someone made a massive cluster ****.

    The ref should have told the fight doctor to **** off.

    So you're now saying the ref should have done something illegal?
    Make up your mind.


  • #260
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    tuxy wrote: »
    The fact that he had to constantly wipe his eye was enough. There is no question that his vision was seriously impeded. Nate need to protect that cut in future.

    No. Just no.

    Watch more than one fight. Of any discipline.


  • #261
    tuxy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    No. Just no.

    Why wouldn't Nate protect that injury when it's seriously prone to cuts?


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  • #262
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Why wouldn't Nate protect that injury when it's seriously prone to cuts?

    Just stop.

    I realise you've probably watched 3 fights in your entire life, but seriously, stop.


  • #263
    tuxy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Just stop.

    That's exactly what the doctor did.


  • #264
    ooter
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    The White Feather wrote: »
    Chandler said this about that doc so it's kinda telling

    https://twitter.com/MikeChandlerMMA/status/1190854359707508737?s=19

    he's defo not a goof, w@nker is the word I'd be searching for


  • #265
    EagererBeaver
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    The cut above the eyebrow is properly vicious. Way worse than the ones from the McGregor or Pettis fights.


  • #266
    tuxy
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    The cut above the eyebrow is properly vicious. Way worse than the ones from the McGregor or Pettis fights.

    Would I be right in saying it's in the same place he usually gets cut first and has continues to get worse as his career continues?


  • #267
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    The cut above the eyebrow is properly vicious. Way worse than the ones from the McGregor or Pettis fights.

    No.
    The cut was nowhere near bad enough to end the fight
    Jorge was winning, the bad doctor's call cheapened the result.


  • #268
    jobless
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    Eye was bad, if he lost it the doctor would be vilified


  • #269
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    jobless wrote: »
    Eye was bad, if he lost it the doctor would be vilified

    no.The "eye" was not bad. His eyebrow was cut.


  • #270
    joeguevara
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Ref, doctor, whatever.

    Someone made a massive cluster ****.

    The ref should have told the fight doctor to **** off.

    Doctor out ranks ref in making decisions to stop fight for medical reasons.


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  • #271
    tuxy
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Doctor out ranks ref in making decisions to stop fight for medical reasons.

    You're talking to someone who didn't even know a doctor can stop a fight......


  • #272
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Doctor out ranks ref in making decisions to stop fight for medical reasons.

    So the doctor should be banned from ever officiating an MMA or boxing match again.


  • #273
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    tuxy wrote: »
    You're talking to someone who didn't even know a doctor can stop a fight......

    And you're the idiot who thinks that was a perfectly acceptable end to a fight.

    It wasn't.


  • #274
    tuxy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    So the doctor should be banned from ever officiating an MMA or boxing match again.

    Based on what regulations?


  • #275
    str8talkingguy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    So the doctor should be banned from ever officiating an MMA or boxing match again.

    You need to stop listening to Joe Rogan his eyebrow was hanging on for dear life,we might a seen one or two worse ones in vegas but it looked bad enough to me,granted i was watching it on a stream wouldn't mind a pic of it myself to clarify how bad it was,but i'm ok with that stoppage he was getting brutalized anyway.


  • #276
    joeguevara
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    Very interesting article on the evolution of nates eyebrow cut. It's getting worse and about 40-50% strength of a normal eyebrow.

    https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/yp8bzj/fight-doctor-nate-diazs-right-eyebrow-and-the-80-rule


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  • #277
    EagererBeaver
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    No.
    The cut was nowhere near bad enough to end the fight
    Jorge was winning, the bad doctor's call cheapened the result.

    Did I say it was? I said the cut was vicious. Pretending otherwise is moronic.


  • #278
    martyos121
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    Diaz by ko/tko
    That cut might heal up in time to do the rematch for Fight Week 2020.

    Masvidal vs. Nate as the main event, Nick vs. that doctor as co-main with Mario Yamasaki reffing it. Give the fans what they want.


  • #279
    tuxy
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    joeguevara wrote: »
    Very interesting article on the evolution of nates eyebrow cut. It's getting worse and about 40-50% strength of a normal eyebrow.

    https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/yp8bzj/fight-doctor-nate-diazs-right-eyebrow-and-the-80-rule

    Yes, interesting. The first time Masvidal gave that area a light tap it started to weep blood.
    Is there any procedure that Diaz can have done on it to help going forward?
    martyos121 wrote: »
    That cut might heal up in time to do the rematch for Fight Week 2020.

    The problems is it never really heals even given a long time, it just continues to get worse.


  • #280
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes, interesting. The first time Masvidal gave that area a light tap it started to weep blood.
    Is there any procedure that Diaz can have done on it to help going forward?



    The problems is it never really heals even given a long time, it just continues to get worse.

    I see you're new to combat sports.

    Bye now.


  • #281
    EagererBeaver
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    Go to bed Marcos.


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  • #282
    tuxy
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I see you're new to combat sports.

    Bye now.

    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    I'm a big Nate fan, he was clearly losing, but that ref is a ****ing moron and should never be allowed near a cage again.

    Which ref would have done a better job?
    I do appreciate any info from experienced fight fans.


  • #283
    martyos121
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    Diaz by ko/tko
    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes, interesting. The first time Masvidal gave that area a light tap it started to weep blood.
    Is there any procedure that Diaz can have done on it to help going forward?



    The problems is it never really heals even given a long time, it just continues to get worse.

    He can have scar revision to improve it but it’ll never be 100%.

    And I never claimed it would heal fully, but any cut is given at least 3 months of a suspension for it to heal up sufficiently. Been watching combat sports long enough to know about cuts, and this one was a harsh stoppage.


  • #284
    joeguevara
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Yes, interesting. The first time Masvidal gave that area a light tap it started to weep blood.
    Is there any procedure that Diaz can have done on it to help going forward?
    se.

    Scar revision surgery like his brother. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2011/03/mma-plastic-surgery/amp


  • #285
    Wrongway1985
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    Every fan wanted more sure naturally but glaringly obvious if you're in that doctors shoes you might just call that sadly.

    Round 3 was Diaz best round not sure he won it but was interested to see if he could build into the late ones, he's somewhat bailed out getting a rematch.

    Entertaining night maybe the most enjoyable card this year even if the co main was dull enough and the main event was anti climactic.


  • #286
    pappyodaniel
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    I was worried the fight would be stopped between rounds 1 and 2. It was a very deep and wide open cut. They stuck half a jar of vaseline into it and it still looked bad.

    I have no problem with the stoppage.


  • #287
    joeguevara
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    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Every fan wanted more sure naturally but glaringly obvious if you're in that doctors shoes you might just call that sadly.

    Round 3 was Diaz best round not sure he won it but was interested to see if he could build into the late ones, he's somewhat bailed out getting a rematch.

    Entertaining night maybe the most enjoyable card this year even if the co main was dull enough and the main event was anti climactic.

    Totally agree. Amazing fights. Some absolute wars. Amazing to see fighters eat punches and still move forward. Been a long time since I was so excited before fights and most delivered.

    Stoppage was a let down. But doc is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Nate couldn't see because of blood in his eyes and he was getting clobbered although got some crackers in too. I don't think doc can take into account that nate comes good in 4 and 5. I am also not sure how much of an influence the recent boxing strategy would affect a decision where a person's vision was impaired and was getting hammered in the face. Probably none but could a little.

    Thought both fighters showed respect to each other at the end.


  • #288
    Benson Creamy Boar
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    Diaz's face looked like one of those prosthetic Halloween masks. Masvidal took him out the back.


  • #289
    tuxy
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    Is the doctors decision based on how dangerous he thinks the cut is in terms of permanent damage or the fact the Nate could barely see out of that eye because of blood?
    What exactly is he looking for in such cases?


  • #290
    Fromvert
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    When you take into account the cuts on Nate's face and the fact he'd been beaten for three rounds straight the doctor calling it isnt a terrible decision.

    The doctor doesn't care that 'maybe Masvidal will tire' - he just beat the **** out of Nate for three rounds, is this going to stop is what he's thinking.


  • #291
    tuxy
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    Fromvert wrote: »
    When you take into account the cuts on Nate's face and the fact he'd been beaten for three rounds straight the doctor calling it isnt a terrible decision.

    The doctor doesn't care that 'maybe Masvidal will tire' - he just beat the **** out of Nate for three rounds, is this going to stop is what he's thinking.

    Yes the fans are all thinking about what may happen in the future and the doctor has to make a call on what he sees at that very moment. Two very different viewpoints.


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  • #292
    str8talkingguy
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    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    Every fan wanted more sure naturally but glaringly obvious if you're in that doctors shoes you might just call that sadly.

    Round 3 was Diaz best round not sure he won it but was interested to see if he could build into the late ones, he's somewhat bailed out getting a rematch.

    Entertaining night maybe the most enjoyable card this year even if the co main was dull enough and the main event was anti climactic.

    Mostly just people with bets on Nate and get influenced by Joes commentary,yeah theres been some worse ones in vegas but not sure if there has been many as bad as that where the fighter wasn't defending or able to protect it better.

    Nate didn't look like he was gonna be able to protect that cut,Furys cut was as bad but he was well able to protect that side of his face.Nate didn't seem capable to defend himself enough to warrant it continuing imo.


  • #293
    Wrongway1985
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    FOFN: Thompson/Luque

    POTN's: Lee, Anderson


  • #294
    DrPhilG
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    tuxy wrote: »
    Y
    The first time Masvidal gave that area a light tap it started to weep blood.

    Lol, yeah. A light tap it was.

    EmptyDiscreteLadybug-size_restricted.gif


  • #295
    tuxy
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    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Lol, yeah. A light tap it was.

    EmptyDiscreteLadybug-size_restricted.gif

    That gif makes it seem like Nate is incapable of defending one of his main know weak spots.
    As a Nate fan I categorically disagree with that.


  • #296
    joeguevara
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    tuxy wrote: »
    That gif makes it seem like Nate is incapable of defending one of his main know weak spots.
    As a Nate fan I categorically disagree with that.

    I'm confused. He got hit by an elbow, fist and foot. Doesn't mean he s incapable of defending.


  • #297
    Mellor
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    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    Jorge was winning, the bad doctor's call cheapened the result.
    This.

    Jorge was on route to a TKO in the 4th. Now we have a situation where people will have an asterisk next to Jorge’s win.


  • #298
    Mellor
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    tuxy wrote: »
    That gif makes it seem like Nate is incapable of defending one of his main know weak spots.
    As a Nate fan I categorically disagree with that.

    Are you denying that the gif happened??? Wtf


  • #299
    theteal
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    Virgin box didn't record this for some reason. Weigh ins and prelims no problem but the main card, nah. Bollo)(. . . . I may as well just read through this thread so

    Have there been many jokes about SBG cardio (or lack there of) yet????


  • #300
    derfderf
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    Watch everyone lap up Nate saying he was holding back until the late rounds.
    Jorge ran through him.


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  • #301
    JacksonHeightsOwn
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    The mma Community are such a bunch of blood thirsty eejits.

    If that was boxing, no way in hell would that fight have continued, so why should it be any difference for an mma fighter? That was a bad cut, a very bad one in fact.

    Another thing that I've always thought though, the cutmen in the ufc are terrible, absolutely terrible.


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