Anyone selling or smuggling drugs should get life.

nullzero · 14-11-2019 9:49pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

No.

Big Ian is that you?

whisky_galore · 14-11-2019 9:49pm

Bigboldworld wrote: »

Always amazes me the focus on illegal drugs whilst not focusing on the biggest problem drug in this country....alcohol....murders, assaults, drunk driving, deaths, destruction of families ah but sure it’s grand because it’s legal and can be bought in abundance on every street corner, the cities biggest tourist attraction is alcohol related yet its all acceptable, i see no difference really between it and the illegal drugs sold on corners in terms of damage done, only difference is the legal status so it’s all ok.

You suggesting some sort of alcohol prohibition?
Because that didn't work either.

If people want to get drunk or get high, they're going to do that, whatever it takes.

igCorcaigh · 14-11-2019 9:51pm

nullzero wrote: »

Big Ian is that you?

No. Don't know who he is.
Anyway, the proposition will not solve anything.

We need a different approach.
But you know what I'm going to say anyway.

decky1 · 14-11-2019 9:58pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Given all the talk about Michela McCollum, she, like any smuggler or dealer should be locked up an buried underneath the prison.

Ok God, I don't condone it but maybe someday you might have a family member who for some reason crosses the line, someone you really love , what happens then?

nullzero · 14-11-2019 10:46pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

No. Don't know who he is.
Anyway, the proposition will not solve anything.

We need a different approach.
But you know what I'm going to say anyway.

As in Ian Paisley, famous, amongst other things for saying No.

Bigbagofcans · 14-11-2019 10:59pm

decky1 wrote: »

Ok God, I don't condone it but maybe someday you might have a family member who for some reason crosses the line, someone you really love , what happens then?

It doesn't sound like the OP has really thought this through. They don't even think a war on drugs exists in Ireland :rolleyes:

dartboardio · 14-11-2019 11:03pm

Oh so anyone working in an off licence should be shot?

Or any publican should be shot? Hmm

You do realise alcohol is a drug. What about caffeine? Or hey actually, cigarettes?

The government have you brainwashed to think, what you think is illegal is whats harming our world, turn us all against eachother while they arse rape us all.

riclad · 14-11-2019 11:10pm

We have a limited amount of prison cells,
i do,nt think people should go to jail for selling hash ,
a soft drug that is legal in many states in america
And is used by many people as a painkiller or as a medication .Prison is for
people who commit violent crimes like armed robbery .
ireland is not america, we cannot afford to build 1000,s of new prison cells .
And we have a problem with homelessness ,
women and children living in hotels for years , is a serious situation and bad for society.
no one is forced to buy cocaine or other party drugs ,
they do it to get high or to feel good.
i,m not saying people should not go to jail for selling drugs,
i think going to jail for life is just an extreme solution.

BalcombeSt4 · 14-11-2019 11:57pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Nobody mentioned addicts.

It's the name of a song.

BalcombeSt4 · 14-11-2019 11:58pm

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Clever. Illegal drugs trade obviously.

You didn't mention Illegal Drugs Trade.

BalcombeSt4 · 15-11-2019 12:03am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Oh yeah, giving junkies an open supply of heroin is a wonderful idea.

If you believe that would be the case you don't know enough about the illegal & legal drugs trade.

Junkies already get an open supply of Methadone to keep them going & they already have pretty easy access to Heroin & similiar type opiates as it is on the black market. Making it legal would take the profits out of the hands of the smugglers & dealers who you want to shoot dead.

riffmongous · 15-11-2019 12:11am

This reminds me, I need to go listen to War on Drugs again

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:13am

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

If you believe that would be the case you don't know enough about the illegal & legal drugs trade.

Junkies already get an open supply of Methadone to keep them going & they already have pretty easy access to Heroin & similiar type opiates as it is on the black market. Making it legal would take the profits out of the hands of the smugglers & dealers who you want to shoot dead.

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:15am

decky1 wrote: »

Ok God, I don't condone it but maybe someday you might have a family member who for some reason crosses the line, someone you really love , what happens then?

I'm clever enough to not associate with anyone stupid enough to smuggle or sell drugs.

BDI · 15-11-2019 12:16am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

You would have to lock up 60 per cent of the country. I’m sure the big time tax payers try cocaine from time to time. Will we lock them up too? Who will pay for this? Have you ever balanced a countries budget before?

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:18am

BDI wrote: »

You would have to lock up 60 per cent of the country. I’m sure the big time tax payers try cocaine from time to time. Will we lock them up too? Who will pay for this? Have you ever balanced a countries budget before?

Cocaine is the scummiest drug. Anyone selfish enough to use it, deserves jail time.

BalcombeSt4 · 15-11-2019 12:20am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

They should be put into a rehabilitation program. Bottom line is if there are no drugs available, they'll have none to take.

That's true.

So just tell all the people suffering with cancer, anxiety, broken bones, recovering from serious operations etc... were taking away the only thing that gives them some relief & comfort because.....why?

BDI · 15-11-2019 12:21am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Cocaine is the scummiest drug. Anyone selfish enough to use it, deserves jail time.

It’s rife. It’s ingrained in the fabric of society. You won’t get a bird in parts of Dublin if you head to the local night club with no coke. Giving a girl a line is like buying her a drink nowadays. It’s been like that years.

BalcombeSt4 · 15-11-2019 12:22am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

Oscar Wilde would have something to say about that.

BorneTobyWilde · 15-11-2019 12:22am

The politicians and cops are on more drugs than anyone, drugs will always be there because of that.
I never done drugs but I know a few local dealers, yet the cops with all their resources can't figure it out, come on.

dartboardio · 15-11-2019 12:23am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Cocaine is the scummiest drug. Anyone selfish enough to use it, deserves jail time.

You'd probably be surprised.

Id say you know more people that have or do use it, than you think.

I was very surprised when I was at my uncles 40th a few years ago, we had a really nice bar/restaurant rented out, for the night in temple bar, I was shocked when I realised alot of his friends were taking it all night. Typical 'professional' respectable men you would not assume they take cocaine on the weekends!

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:23am

BDI wrote: »

It’s rife. It’s ingrained in the fabric of society. You won’t get a bird in parts of Dublin if you head to the local night club with no coke. Giving a girl a line is like buying her a drink nowadays. It’s been like that years.

Oh! That changes everything then!

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:25am

dartboardio wrote: »

You'd probably be surprised.

Id say you know more people that have or do use it, than you think.

I was very surprised when I was at my uncles 40th a few years ago, we had a really nice bar/restaurant rented out, for the night in temple bar, I was shocked when I realised alot of his friends were taking it all night. Typical 'professional' respectable men you would not assume they take cocaine on the weekends!

Dirtbags funding crime across Europe and probably as far as south America. Selfishness to fund such things, just because you want to get high.

BalcombeSt4 · 15-11-2019 12:27am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Oh! That changes everything then!

Yes, that is correct.

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 12:30am

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yes, that is correct.

k

15-11-2019 4:14am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

Well... there's junkies and there's users.

I've been a stoner for almost thirty years. I also quite enjoy Shrooms and LSD (not regular usage. perhaps every 3-5 years). Did the party drugs in my youth, but grew out of them rather quickly. Never was really interested in any of the more dangerous addictive substances.

Now, I've three degrees, and a variety of diplomas. Been a financial controller and now I'm a lecturer. Will have finished paying off my mortgage in two years time. Perfect credit rating. Single. No dependencies, and no health problems. Private health insurance so I'm not a drain on society if that ever happens.

I've never been a junkie, my use of drugs has never caused any public disturbance or violent crime (except when drunk on alcohol), and I've never been admitted to a hospital/doctor for illness related to my dug usage (again, except on alcohol).

Your attitude is one of ignorance. Lumping every drug together and every person who avails of it. I rarely drink alcohol anymore because of the lack of self-control and violence that sometimes arises from its usage. Never been violent stoned, and apart from some food binges, never lost control while stoned.

Certain drugs (such as cannabis) should be made completely legal, good quality supply organised (since it's healthier), and not taxed to the hilt. It would remove the pressure on crime both for funding the criminal organisations, and would also relieve some social crime. There are very few violent stoners, except for those who mix with other substances like alcohol...

TBH... I think the world would be a much better place if all adults were required to do a weekend on Shrooms. Most people I know who have tripped are far more balanced, less prone to violence, and more patient with other people.

As for alcohol, tax it the same way that cigarettes are taxed, for people who go beyond a certain amount. Alcohol is a horrible drug, and should be pushed into the background.

Baron Kurtz · 15-11-2019 8:45am

No health problems after 30 years of smoking weed? You'd think that, but there's probably something in the post for you any year now.

If only one of those degrees or diplomas were sciences related to medicine you might have more insight into this.

Baron Kurtz · 15-11-2019 8:47am

BDI wrote: »

You would have to lock up 60 per cent of the country. I’m sure the big time tax payers try cocaine from time to time. Will we lock them up too? Who will pay for this? Have you ever balanced a countries budget before?

Why don't you write a poem about it.

The high horse brigade · 15-11-2019 8:56am

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

No health problems after 30 years of smoking weed? You'd think that, but there's probably something in the post for you any year now.

If only one of those degrees or diplomas were sciences related to medicine you might have more insight into this.

Nowhere in his post did he say he smoked weed. You need to learn to read!

15-11-2019 8:56am

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

No health problems after 30 years of smoking weed? You'd think that, but there's probably something in the post for you any year now.

If only one of those degrees or diplomas were sciences related to medicine you might have more insight into this.

I get a full health check every six months. :rolleyes: How often do you get checked out?

And you could easily be getting such a message yourself regardless of your actual lifestyle.

Baron Kurtz · 15-11-2019 9:04am

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Nowhere in his post did he say he smoked weed. You need to learn to read!

You should read between the lines sometimes too.

The high horse brigade · 15-11-2019 9:13am

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

You should read between the lines sometimes too.

You mean assume with your limited assumed closed minded knowledge. I myself consume cannabis from time to time but I don't smoke it. Perhaps you should educate yourself a little

15-11-2019 9:17am

There'll always be a million and one other dealers to take the imprisoned (for life)'s place.

The only way to stop it is to, at the very least, decriminalise drugs.

Baron Kurtz · 15-11-2019 9:19am

The high horse brigade wrote: »

You mean assume with your limited assumed closed minded knowledge. I myself consume cannabis from time to time but I don't smoke it. Perhaps you should educate yourself a little

This had nothing to do with you. Why don't you ask the poster how he consumes it so. Wading in, like an idiot as usual, because your precious cannabis gets a mention and you just happen to take it by sticking it up your a#se or whatever orifice you enjoy imbibing it. I'm imagining this guy smokes it. He more than likely does. That's not close minded.

sbsquarepants · 15-11-2019 9:23am

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Seems harsh on all the pharmacists, they provide a valuable service.

Tesco too. I bought a whole kilo of 100% pure columbian there the other day, no one batted an eyelid, i even paid by credit card. Those boys don't mess about, they had tons of it sitting right there on a shelf, not one single fúck being given. Madness Joe. Nice coffee though, i need a little chemical push to get me going in the morning Joe, yourself?:D

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Drugs should be legal full stop, if you want your body to experience something as a reaction to imbibing some chemical or another that should be your choice.

I think so too, but i can i suppose understand some of the logic behind attempting to control refined chemicals like cocaine or heroin or whatever.....but the sheer audacity and gobshíteyness (i'm coining this new word;)) required to make a plant illegal - now that's something i can't wrap my head around.

Just think of how idiotic it would be to outlaw daffodils, or turnips....somehow it's less stupid if you're talking about cannabis or certain mushrooms?
Eh no, i'm afraid it's the very same thing you absolute shower of cockwombles!

The high horse brigade · 15-11-2019 9:25am

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

This had nothing to do with you. Why don't you ask the poster how he consumes it so. Wading in, like an idiot as usual, because your precious cannabis gets a mention and you just happen to take it by sticking it up your a#se or whatever orifice you enjoy imbibing it. I'm imagining this guy smokes it. He more than likely does. That's not close minded.

Educate yourself, then you can have proper conversations and discussions about how you tackle drugs

uck51js9zml2yt · 15-11-2019 9:27am

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Make drugs legal, problem solved.

Absolutely. Why shouldn't everyone be out of the minds and not just a few!

sbsquarepants · 15-11-2019 9:33am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

What about all the smokers, the boozers or even the auld dears addicted to legal benzos and sleepers that the doctor gave them...possibly because their nerves were shot when they tried and failed for the 15th time to give up their legal addiction to nicotine.

This country is packed to the gills with addicts, a tiny tiny proportion are addicted to "illegal" drugs. I say "illegal" because it's an entirely arbitrary distinction, a line drawn in the sand at the whim of public mood.

Cocaine + mdma bad / alcohol + nicotine good - not really what the science would suggest though. Fúck the science, think of the votes, eh i mean the children.

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-11-2019 9:57am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

k

Very popular these days, seems to be easier got than many others, lots of synthetic stuff about too, would be better if there was regulated sales of it to reduce harm I reckon. I don't like it myself but it's all the rage.

Keagan Tinkling Quadrant wrote: »

Absolutely. Why shouldn't everyone be out of the minds and not just a few!

Not every drug makes one out of their mind though, coffee doesn't for example, nor does cannabis, alcohol is probably up there with bath salts in terms of how crazy it can make someone can go while under the influence - both of these are legal btw.

Just look at how canada, uruguay and large parts of the US have started falling apart since the legalisation of cannabis, I mean, tax revenues have never been higher, and opiate addiction rates have never been lower, it's fucking awful :mad:

Wanderer78 · 15-11-2019 9:59am

Is this stuff still illegal? Ffs!

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 10:04am

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What about all the smokers, the boozers or even the auld dears addicted to legal benzos and sleepers that the doctor gave them...possibly because their nerves were shot when they tried and failed for the 15th time to give up their legal addiction to nicotine.

This country is packed to the gills with addicts, a tiny tiny proportion are addicted to "illegal" drugs. I say "illegal" because it's an entirely arbitrary distinction, a line drawn in the sand at the whim of public mood.

Cocaine + mdma bad / alcohol + nicotine good - not really what the science would suggest though. Fúck the science, think of the votes, eh i mean the children.

I don't drink or smoke. I'm also not stupid enough to try something as addictive as cocaine, nor use MDMA.

biko · 15-11-2019 10:12am

I think the system we currently have with letting drug dealers shoot each other is working quite well.

Wanderer78 · 15-11-2019 10:14am

biko wrote:

I think the system we currently have with letting drug dealers shoot each other is working quite well.

Thankfully they're a considerate bunch, and have never injured or killed those not involved

Tacitus Kilgore · 15-11-2019 10:20am

biko wrote: »

I think the system we currently have with letting drug dealers shoot each other is working quite well.

Agree, there can't be many of them left now surely.

ollkiller · 15-11-2019 10:20am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Given all the talk about Michela McCollum, she, like any smuggler or dealer should be locked up an buried underneath the prison.

First rule of economics. Supply will always meet demand. So you will always have a supply of drug dealers. The penalties have not stopped the trade growing. Maybe a different approach is needed. Or you could just keep doing what we've been doing since Reagan started the war on drugs. That's been effective hasn't it?

Your point of view is infantile in the extreme.

Wanderer78 · 15-11-2019 10:21am

Tacitus Kilgore wrote:

Agree, there can't be many of them left now surely.

Never ending conveyor belt

15-11-2019 10:28am

The countries that do it still have plenty of drugs. It doesn't work.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-11-2019 10:28am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Junkies are morons. Anyone who takes drugs in this day and age deserves prison time.

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I'm clever enough to not associate with anyone stupid enough to smuggle or sell drugs.

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Clever. Illegal drugs trade obviously.

Pmacv1 wrote: »

I don't drink or smoke. I'm also not stupid enough to try something as addictive as cocaine, nor use MDMA.

You're all over the place here; but why are you against MDMA but in favour of alcohol or nicotine, despite not doing any of them? If your answer is purely based on the idea of legality, then why do you support a Nanny State mentality?

Pmacv1 · 15-11-2019 10:30am

ollkiller wrote: »

First rule of economics. Supply will always meet demand. So you will always have a supply of drug dealers. The penalties have not stopped the trade growing. Maybe a different approach is needed. Or you could just keep doing what we've been doing since Reagan started the war on drugs. That's been effective hasn't it?

Your point of view is infantile in the extreme.

It was Nixon that started the war on drugs. Your knowledge of the subject is what's infantile.

jiltloop · 15-11-2019 10:30am

Pmacv1 wrote: »

Until that day, smugglers should be shot.

Maybe you should be shot for having an opinion I don't agree with?

Anyone selling or smuggling drugs should get life.

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