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Legalise abortion

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  • #102
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    this is personal, these people get sympathy and councilling and support and have titles as victims. how many times did you hear sympathy for any other child killer? when ian huntley gets out of jail, will you be ok with him living next door to you? ian huntly killed two children and it was unplanned, spur of the moment. people who have abortions plan it to the finest detail, a lot like hannible hector


  • #103
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Yes i agree but the more extreme pro-lifers are dangerous and are doing more damage to their cause then good.

    Pro-lifers who are willing to have a proper debate and not revert to violent behaviour or calling people "murderer" i at least have some respect for although i do not agree with them on the matter.

    what shall we call them then? victims, oh we do already. what about peadophiles, unfortunate. rapists, confused. get te ****


  • #104
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    has ms nursey, "i killed my baby and i don't care" got nothing to say now? i should think not. this sort is full of ****e it doesn't matter how many years go by. you always see a sweet kid and think, mine would have been that age now. you are obviously a woman of age and you are so wrong not just for the abotion but for glorifying it here. you are so selfish, there are i assume younger woman than you who maybe confused (as a nurse would ye not know this). and you are making out that this is something you can do and forget it the next day. if this was right then you would not have been so quick to respond and bragging about it to this thread. if your so freaking proud, why dont you name yourself and the husband and state which hospital it is you work in, with other peoples children.

    actually im 23!! was 18 at the time. i'm not glorifying it if you read my original post i clearly state i'm not for or against it but was merely stating my experience and my personal opinion on my decision! i would never never comment on any one eles's situation or assume that people going through this decision are not confused, hurt unsure what to do etc...and no you did not hit a nerve, you are entitled to your opinion it is obviously something you feel very strongly about and i respect that. i do not for one second say that it is some thing women can do on a whim and forget about!! or promote it. i just stated my feelings and that i have moved onsucessfully. and i am not married by the way! and why is it do think i should not be working with other peoples children?!! as for naming myself why should i? i am open to my family and friends about this fact, dont think what hospital i work as it is relevant? plus while i respect constructive argument you come across as very aggressive and nasty, i respect you don't agree with my actions or my honesty in how i feel about that action but it is no need to be nasty and personal in your comments.


  • #105
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    nurse23 wrote: »
    actually im 23!! was 18 at the time. i'm not glorifying it if you read my original post i clearly state i'm not for or against it but was merely stating my experience and my personal opinion on my decision! i would never never comment on any one eles's situation or assume that people going through this decision are not confused, hurt unsure what to do etc...and no you did not hit a nerve, you are entitled to your opinion it is obviously something you feel very strongly about and i respect that. i do not for one second say that it is some thing women can do on a whim and forget about!! or promote it. i just stated my feelings and that i have moved onsucessfully. and i am not married by the way! and why is it do think i should not be working with other peoples children?!! as for naming myself why should i? i am open to my family and friends about this fact, dont think what hospital i work as it is relevant? plus while i respect constructive argument you come across as very aggressive and nasty, i respect you don't agree with my actions or my honesty in how i feel about that action but it is no need to be nasty and personal in your comments.


    at 23 you have no experiance, your still a kid.


  • #106
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    what shall we call them then? victims, oh we do already. what about peadophiles, unfortunate. rapists, confused. get te ****

    i dont think i should be called a murderer or a victim. as for comparing me or others with a paedophile or rapist is a bit much but hey whatever you think yourself?


  • #107
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    yes. the point being[/quote

    and what was your point of stating the other poster was probably a woman!!!


  • #108
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    at 23 you have no experiance, your still a kid.

    Judging by the stuff your posting so are you.


  • #109
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    nurse23 wrote: »
    i dont think i should be called a murderer or a victim. as for comparing me or others with a paedophile or rapist is a bit much but hey whatever you think yourself?

    read it again..... as i said you are still a kid, you think and act like a kid. you are not qualified in experiance to make a decission to have an abortion let alone give advice on it. your child would be coming up to 5 years old now, just in case you forgot.


  • #110
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    read it again..... as i said you are still a kid, you think and act like a kid. you are not qualified in experiance to make a decission to have an abortion let alone give advice on it. your child would be coming up to 5 years old now, just in case you forgot.

    yes im young but i still have a brain and the ability to make a decision and how to feel. and have i offered any advice to anyone on an abortion? no. and for me thinking and acting like a kid, do you actually know me personnally? as for the age ya taht'd be right, but at the time and still now dont consider a 4-5 week embryo a child! but thats a complete argument in itself! as you seem very passionate about it have you any personal experience of yours to share? or do you work in the counselling or support area as you seem to know what women having abortions feel and think?


  • #111
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Judging by the stuff your posting so are you.


    your still a girl arn't you?


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  • #112
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    your still a girl arn't you?

    If your just going to throw insults around there's no point debating this with you.


  • #113
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    nurse23 wrote: »
    yes im young but i still have a brain and the ability to make a decision and how to feel. and have i offered any advice to anyone on an abortion? no. and for me thinking and acting like a kid, do you actually know me personnally? as for the age ya taht'd be right, but at the time and still now dont consider a 4-5 week embryo a child! but thats a complete argument in itself! as you seem very passionate about it have you any personal experience of yours to share? or do you work in the counselling or support area as you seem to know what women having abortions feel and think?


    you tried to play it down and big it up just cos ye had one. with the title nurse people will take what you say to be of a professional nature. you may be a text book nurseand we can not argue about that but, we can argue about your using your name and possition to appear to be somthing your not. and yes, i do have experiance, but i will not share it with you. if you still think your so freaking right, share your name with us all nurse so when the next one goes for an abortion they will know where to go to thank you.... by the way, how much planning did it take for you to have your abortion?


  • #114
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    you tried to play it down and big it up just cos ye had one. with the title nurse people will take what you say to be of a professional nature. you may be a text book nurseand we can not argue about that but, we can argue about your using your name and possition to appear to be somthing your not. and yes, i do have experiance, but i will not share it with you. if you still think your so freaking right, share your name with us all nurse so when the next one goes for an abortion they will know where to go to thank you.... by the way, how much planning did it take for you to have your abortion?

    as for my username it was something i just decided to use as i couldn't think of anything more imaginative! i in no way use boards to push any kind of professional agenda, and as for appearing to be something i'm not, not a clue what your on about! as for thinking im ''freaking right'' as you put it as i keep reiterating it was right for my situation, i was not generalising to everyone! why is it you want my name! how is it relevant to anything. and if your unwilling to share any info why should i!! as for planning i talked to my partner, friends and family and on the advice of my gp spoke with a counscellor can't remember the name of the clinic and spoke with another councellor at the abortion clinic. not sure of the time frame but it was not like i hopped on a plane and ordered an abortion like i'd order a big mac. again not sorry i made the decision. if i were to fall pregnant again would i have an abortion or consider it no, because i am in a different place. as for playing things up and down! whatever! i just stated things honestly! as for you bringing my profession into the argument also irrelevant. and i'm sure people using boards are intelligent people and if are spurred on to have abortions because of my opinion well obviously thats laughable. if i posted that cocaine is the best cure for a cold do really think people would start looking for their local drug dealers. do really underestimate peoples intelligence.


  • #115
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    nurse23 wrote: »
    as for my username it was something i just decided to use as i couldn't think of anything more imaginative! i in no way use boards to push any kind of professional agenda, and as for appearing to be something i'm not, not a clue what your on about! as for thinking im ''freaking right'' as you put it as i keep reiterating it was right for my situation, i was not generalising to everyone! why is it you want my name! how is it relevant to anything. and if your unwilling to share any info why should i!! as for planning i talked to my partner, friends and family and on the advice of my gp spoke with a counscellor can't remember the name of the clinic and spoke with another councellor at the abortion clinic. not sure of the time frame but it was not like i hopped on a plane and ordered an abortion like i'd order a big mac. again not sorry i made the decision. if i were to fall pregnant again would i have an abortion or consider it no, because i am in a different place. as for playing things up and down! whatever! i just stated things honestly! as for you bringing my profession into the argument also irrelevant. and i'm sure people using boards are intelligent people and if are spurred on to have abortions because of my opinion well obviously thats laughable. if i posted that cocaine is the best cure for a cold do really think people would start looking for their local drug dealers. do really underestimate peoples intelligence.



    you started by rabbiting on about when you were younger..... not freaking 5 years ago when ye were 18 we saw the title nurse and paid attention. i personally thought you were in your 50s. you used it..... just like you killed your child just like you tried conning us all with the title nurse and dont give me this ****e. you are proud and loud about being a nurse and well done. just remember you are now a professional and we hang on your every word like it dont like it but we do.


  • #116
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    Is abortion the same as the morining after pill?????


  • #117
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    well?


  • #118
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    does this make it easier for you? you have looked on my profile and you know what i do for a living and for the past 25 years. so if you asked me for directions somewhere you would not expect to be going in the wrong direction!!! the same is now true of you.


  • #119
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    roadrunner1 is that directed at me? if so, i don't think i looked at your profile....???


  • #120
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    Wanda wrote: »
    well?


    tks for the patiants. only if it kills a life.


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  • #121
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    Wanda wrote: »
    roadrunner1 is that directed at me? if so, i don't think i looked at your profile....???

    no hun it was at our residant nurse


  • #122
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    you started by rabbiting on about when you were younger..... not freaking 5 years ago when ye were 18 we saw the title nurse and paid attention. i personally thought you were in your 50s. you used it..... just like you killed your child just like you tried conning us all with the title nurse and dont give me this ****e. you are proud and loud about being a nurse and well done. just remember you are now a professional and we hang on your every word like it dont like it but we do.

    1. 18 is younger than 23, maybe i should have been specific. if i were 50 would that make a difference?
    2. if i was teacher/doctor/care assistan/ creche worker/polititian would that make any difference. i think my profession is irrelevant and how was i conning anybody? and have i once said in any of my posts that i am loud and proud nurse? no just when you suggested i do courses and i replied that i had!
    3. and as for hanging on to a nurses every word!! come on or do you believe no one has individual thought!!

    you are reading my posts and spinning them into what you want/think you see!! if my username was bubbles23 and everything else was the same what would be the difference. as i said before i enjoy constructive argument but you are just nit-picking, petty, immature and have a nasty tone. i don't expect you to respect that i had an abortion or that i have expressed that i don't regret it but a little bit of manners and courtesy is not alot to expect on boards. after all as i have said its my opinion and my experience i just shared it as a few posts earlier in thread caught my attention and thought that i could offer my perspective. if all people on boards were like you, attacking people for their opinions and decisions well then no one would ever share anything or indeed look for advice on issues like abortion.


  • #123
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    patiants???

    Wot does that mean??

    I'm not pro abortion but the issue of morning after pill concerns me...can you be anti abortion yet pro life/pro morning after pill??

    what is the difference??


  • #124
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    no hun it was at our residant nurse

    didn't read it though, bit of a boards novice, how do i look at your profession, im a bit of a technophobe!!!:)


  • #125
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    Wanda wrote: »
    patiants???

    Wot does that mean??

    I'm not pro abortion but the issue of morning after pill concerns me...can you be anti abortion yet pro life/pro morning after pill??

    what is the difference??

    the morning after pill prevents you getting pregnant so in answer to your question you can be anti abortion and still pro morning after pill. i think anyway:)


  • #126
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    exactly how i feel too....:p

    thought i was being a hypocrite...

    still though- it's a matter of opinion- when does life really begin??


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  • #127
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    nurse23 wrote: »
    1. 18 is younger than 23, maybe i should have been specific. if i were 50 would that make a difference?
    2. if i was teacher/doctor/care assistan/ creche worker/polititian would that make any difference. i think my profession is irrelevant and how was i conning anybody? and have i once said in any of my posts that i am loud and proud nurse? no just when you suggested i do courses and i replied that i had!
    3. and as for hanging on to a nurses every word!! come on or do you believe no one has individual thought!!

    you are reading my posts and spinning them into what you want/think you see!! if my username was bubbles23 and everything else was the same what would be the difference. as i said before i enjoy constructive argument but you are just nit-picking, petty, immature and have a nasty tone. i don't expect you to respect that i had an abortion or that i have expressed that i don't regret it but a little bit of manners and courtesy is not alot to expect on boards. after all as i have said its my opinion and my experience i just shared it as a few posts earlier in thread caught my attention and thought that i could offer my perspective. if all people on boards were like you, attacking people for their opinions and decisions well then no one would ever share anything or indeed look for advice on issues like abortion.



    for someone with degrees etcyou really don't cotton on. why don't you report me if ye think i'm abusive. no hard feelings


  • #128
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    Wanda wrote: »
    exactly how i feel too....:p

    thought i was being a hypocrite...

    still though- it's a matter of opinion- when does life really begin??


    life begins the very second ye create something


  • #129
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    mmmmm....so does that make the morning after pill the same as abortion then?


  • #130
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    for someone with degrees etcyou really don't cotton on. why don't you report me if ye think i'm abusive. no hard feelings

    because i'd rather speak my point and reason with some one than run and report you. i just like to sort out my own battles:) im sure your a nice guy and your just very passionate about the issue. as time goes on i as well as everyone else evolves maybe i'll be totally anti-abortion when im 50 maybe i won't but its good to talk about it and hear the opinions of others its how we learn and form our own opinions and moral code. reading back on my posts maybe i did come accross as being cold and clinical but im actually a nice warm person not a monster!! i.m not saying what i did was right or wrong just that i did it, felt it was right and still do. would i advise everyone in a similar situation to have an abortion, absolutely not.

    as for not cottoning on to things and having degrees, im a nurse not a quantam physicist!! im smart but can be known to have blonde moments:):):D.


  • #131
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    only if there is life


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  • #132
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    Wanda wrote: »
    mmmmm....so does that make the morning after pill the same as abortion then?

    if you have unprotected sex or condom breaks and you take morning after pill next day you are preventing yourself from POSSIBLY getting pregnant.


  • #133
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    how can you you be sure that there is life.....there is lost of different opinions as to when life really begings....that is where my questioning really begings...


  • #134
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    begins...sorry i spelt it incorrectly before


  • #135
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    roadrunner 1 wrote: »
    does this make it easier for you? you have looked on my profile and you know what i do for a living and for the past 25 years. so if you asked me for directions somewhere you would not expect to be going in the wrong direction!!! the same is now true of you.

    thats ironic! my boyfriend used to drive trucks too for years, hes older than me!


  • #136
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    Wanda wrote: »
    how can you you be sure that there is life.....there is lost of different opinions as to when life really begings....that is where my questioning really begings...

    from what i understand the morning after pill is ineffective if you are already pregnant (although it may or may not cause side-effects)

    the morning after pill works in the following ways (pasted this from a website)•Cause changes in the lining of the womb that prevent implantation of a fertilised egg;•Prevent or delay ovulation (release of an egg from the ovary); •Interfere with movement of the egg or sperm through the fallopian tube to the uterus.

    so hence the dillema if an egg is fertilised and as a result of the morning after pill does not survive do you consider that abortion.

    thats the facts so i guess its up to your own moral code if you consider that aginst your beliefs. as for when does life actually begin, i have only my own personal opinion as i am sure you do so again its up for you to determine what you believe life to be.


  • #137
    roadrunner 1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 85 ✭✭roadrunner 1


    5 gets ye 10 i have met him many a time. and its imporant that ye know i dont dislike or hate ye. read your pms, and did reading my profile make ye feel better?


  • #138
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    that's the thing nurse 23, i do not think morning after pill is abortion, as in my opinion, life has not officially begun, yet i am against abortion as life is physically being removed from the body....maybe i have the whole concept wrong...??? i'm not 100% informed about it all, bit I feel abortion is murder yet i've taken morning after pill....i feel guilty and dont knoW if i'm being a hypocrite,,,,is it a matter of opinion or a matter of BIOLOGY?


  • #139
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    Wanda wrote: »
    that's the thing nurse 23, i do not think morning after pill is abortion, as in my opinion, life has not officially begun, yet i am against abortion as life is physically being removed from the body....maybe i have the whole concept wrong...??? i'm not 100% informed about it all, bit I feel abortion is murder yet i've taken morning after pill....i feel guilty and dont knoW if i'm being a hypocrite,,,,is it a matter of opinion or a matter of BIOLOGY?

    if there was an easy answer it'd be great!!! personally i dont think the morning after pill is abortion but thats just my opinion. obviously your in a real quandry over this so maybe going to your local clinic and asking to speak to someone who is more qualified in the area would help. if you believe yourself that life has not begun then you shouldn't feel guilty but definately talk to someone such as a counsellor at a clinic who can discuss the personal side more in depth to you. us nurses and doctors tend to focus more on the clinical stuff!!!!:)


  • #140
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    thanks....it's been a long time since i took the MAP (years in fact) and i'm not very religious, bit i fear that when i try to have children i'll have diffculity and if i do, i'll think it is as punnishment....by God...if there is in fact one...i'd just hate to think i'd actually killed something that was there....in my mind, nothing was there and by taking it, you I was preventing it ever to be there...waffeling now, i do realise and i do apologise


  • #141
    nurse23
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭nurse23


    Wanda wrote: »
    thanks....it's been a long time since i took the MAP (years in fact) and i'm not very religious, bit i fear that when i try to have children i'll have diffculity and if i do, i'll think it is as punnishment....by God...if there is in fact one...i'd just hate to think i'd actually killed something that was there....in my mind, nothing was there and by taking it, you I was preventing it ever to be there...waffeling now, i do realise and i do apologise

    Don't apologise at all:) i hope you are sucessful in having a child. i can understand your fear though. but i don't think a loving god if indeed as you said there is one would prevent you from having a child if your meant to have one:)


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  • #142
    Wanda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 45 ✭Wanda


    thanks nurse23 nite xxx


  • #143
    CCCP^
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    SLUSK wrote: »
    Abortions should be legalised in Ireland. In the long run it will help bring crime down because potential criminals will not be born. It is a well known fact that poor people commit more crimes, they also have more kids out of wedlock and so on. If these women can have abortions instead it would be good for all of us.

    You have extremely skewed logic, and abortion legalised, under those premises, you can **** right off mate. Can anyone else make some sense here?


  • #144
    philologos
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    Wanda wrote: »
    that's the thing nurse 23, i do not think morning after pill is abortion, as in my opinion, life has not officially begun, yet i am against abortion as life is physically being removed from the body....maybe i have the whole concept wrong...??? i'm not 100% informed about it all, bit I feel abortion is murder yet i've taken morning after pill....i feel guilty and dont knoW if i'm being a hypocrite,,,,is it a matter of opinion or a matter of BIOLOGY?

    Bit of a wierd time for me to be posting so I apologise if I am not all that coherent :)

    I don't think that God would punish you if you are truly sorry for your sin. There is nothing that suggests that the Judeo-Christian God would do that. Life is special and important, and as for the MAP and the guilt. Look to the future, do not dwell in the past. Learn from it, do not dwell in it :)


  • #145
    raindog.promo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭raindog.promo


    jhegarty wrote: »
    But first, it's only a theory. There are many factors not included in any study I have read. Most of the same data could be used to show the Nintendo Nes caused reduced crime levels.

    Abortions for some, Nintendo for all.


  • #146
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    CCCP^ wrote: »
    You have extremely skewed logic, and abortion legalised, under those premises, you can **** right off mate. Can anyone else make some sense here?

    Although lower crime etc are likely to be consequences of legal abortion, I agree that it's a very very bad argument for its legalisation.

    IMO, there's only one argument that needs saying, and that's, to paraphrase, get rosaries off ovaries.


  • #147
    philologos
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    IMO, there's only one argument that needs saying, and that's, to paraphrase, get rosaries off ovaries.

    And that's a terrible argument, unless people are arguing from the viewpoint of religion. Most people come from the angle of human life and human rights.


  • #148
    ChocolateSauce
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    And that's a terrible argument, unless people are arguing from the viewpoint of religion. Most people come from the angle of human life and human rights.

    It's a terrible argument to say religion (in Ireland, Catholicism) doesn't play the single biggest role in the anti-choice movement. I consider abortion a human right.


  • #149
    philologos
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    It's a terrible argument to say religion (in Ireland, Catholicism) doesn't play the single biggest role in the anti-choice movement. I consider abortion a human right.

    I don't consider taking the life of another to be a human right. There is nothing logical to be brought forward to suggest that abortion is not the killing of human life out of convenience.

    I know many people (infact most of the people who I have heard arguing for pro-life) who would argue from the human rights / human life perspective far quicker than discussing their religious beliefs in doing so. I consider pro-life to be a civil rights issue, just like the civil rights issue for equal rights for blacks or for other minority groups.


  • #150
    Boston
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    IMO, there's only one argument that needs saying, and that's, to paraphrase, get rosaries off ovaries.

    Thats not an argument, that's a slogan.


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  • #151
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Jakkass wrote: »
    I don't consider taking the life of another to be a human right.

    Me either.
    I know many people (infact most of the people who I have heard arguing for pro-life) who would argue from the human rights / human life perspective far quicker than discussing their religious beliefs in doing so. I consider pro-life to be a civil rights issue, just like the civil rights issue for equal rights for blacks or for other minority groups.

    Perhaps I should have said civil rather than human rights...anyway, we're simply diametrically opposed here and we've both personally had this debate before, so I think we should just leave it.
    Thats not an argument, that's a slogan.

    A slogan which summarises an argument.


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