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    #2642
    ThebitterLemon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    US2 wrote: »
    Barry Hearn hinting at a couple of wildcard picks for the World Championship for people with no tour card. Fairly sickening for people on the tour grinding all year. I assume if it happens it will be Barney and or Sherrock

    Disgraceful if that happens

    Imagine the soccer WC and the Faroe Islands being included as a wild card just for the craic

    Cheapens the tournament

    TbL


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    #2643
    Sultan of Bling
    Registered Users Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    That's a joke if it happens.


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    #2644
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    What a ridiculous idea. It's grand having wildcards for a glorified exhibition like the premier league but for the Worlds you should have to qualify.

    As someone else said they're probably looking for a way to get Barney and Sherrock in since they were too lazy/not good enough to get there on merit


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    #2645
    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭Degag


    Ridiculous if it does transpire. Definitely a way to get Sherrock in. Justin would have a coronary if he were here.


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    #2646
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,307 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    ThebitterLemon wrote: »
    Disgraceful if that happens

    Imagine the soccer WC and the Faroe Islands being included as a wild card just for the craic

    Cheapens the tournament

    TbL

    In fairness sponsors invites or committee invites do happen in other sports - you just happen to have picked soccer as an example where it doesn't.

    But it's definitely a thing in golf for regular tour events, and in tennis it happens at the Majors with the likes of Wimbledon using the wildcard system to shoe in high-profile players (usually former finalists) who haven't made it via the normal route, and to get extra British players in.
    Goran Ivanisevic won Wimbledon on a WC.

    I'm not saying it's right or anything, and it does seem a bit late in the day to be doing it.


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    #2647
    ThebitterLemon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    In fairness sponsors invites or committee invites do happen in other sports - you just happen to have picked soccer as an example where it doesn't.

    But it's definitely a thing in golf for regular tour events, and in tennis it happens at the Majors with the likes of Wimbledon using the wildcard system to shoe in high-profile players (usually former finalists) who haven't made it via the normal route, and to get extra British players in.
    Goran Ivanisevic won Wimbledon on a WC.

    I'm not saying it's right or anything, and it does seem a bit late in the day to be doing it.

    Maybe for events, but I’m struggling to think of a World Championship event that does it, Rugby, Snooker, Cricket, Squash etc.

    Tennis, the Davis Cup, you have to qualify

    Golf World Champs there are qualification criteria (I’m pretty sure)

    It’s bonkers

    TbL


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    #2648
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,307 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Well in golf The Masters (a bona fida Championship event) has a life-time exemption for previous champions, which would get Barney in it. It's why we see Sandy Lyle hacking it round for 36 holes every year. The British Open has similar but it expires at age 60. I'd actually like if darts had something like this.
    Obviously golf has no overriding 'World Championship' but the US Open considers itself the de facto worlds biggest event, and reserves the right to give 'special exemptions'.
    And as said Wimbledon (which would be many peoples idea of the biggest event in tennis) gives out discretionary wildcards.

    I don't think your references to Cricket & Rugby or the Davis Cup are relevant as they are team sports, it seems to be an individual sport thing. I know nothing about squash, but I know in snooker Barry gave discretionary tour-cards to the likes of Jimmy White to enable him to continue to enter the likes of the World Championship at the L128 stage.

    Look I agree it's a bad idea to do it this late in the day, but I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say it cheapens the event. Unless we feel the Masters or Wimbledon are also cheapened when the same thing happens.


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    #2649
    ThebitterLemon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Well in golf The Masters (a bona fida Championship event) has a life-time exemption for previous champions, which would get Barney in it. It's why we see Sandy Lyle hacking it round for 36 holes every year. The British Open has similar but it expires at age 60. I'd actually like if darts had something like this.
    Obviously golf has no overriding 'World Championship' but the US Open considers itself the de facto worlds biggest event, and reserves the right to give 'special exemptions'.
    And as said Wimbledon (which would be many peoples idea of the biggest event in tennis) gives out discretionary wildcards.

    I don't think your references to Cricket & Rugby or the Davis Cup are relevant as they are team sports, it seems to be an individual sport thing. I know nothing about squash, but I know in snooker Barry gave discretionary tour-cards to the likes of Jimmy White to enable him to continue to enter the likes of the World Championship at the L128 stage.

    Look I agree it's a bad idea to do it this late in the day, but I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say it cheapens the event. Unless we feel the Masters or Wimbledon are also cheapened when the same thing happens.

    We’ll have to politely agree to disagree

    I think the WC should be played by the players who have qualified through a predetermined qualification process.

    Adding insult to injury is the fact that it would be the first time this has happened

    Looks tacky, commercially driven and cheap

    TbL


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    #2650
    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭Degag


    How would it even work considering there appears to be qualifying criteria for all 96 players? Maybe he set that out in the podcast, i didn't listen to it.

    Maybe there are players who can't travel due to Covid perhaps. Or re-introducing a preliminary round?


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    #2651
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    Some of the International qualifying events haven't taken place due to covid so there could be additional spots open.

    they should go to players with a Tour Card though, especially given the year that's in it with players making so little money.


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    #2652
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Ciaran Teehan takes the last qualifying spot from the UK qualifier beating Joe Murnan


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    #2653
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Jamie Lewis beat Thornton to qualify now which loses Thornton's tour card I think


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    #2654
    Dillonb3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Dillonb3


    Teehan, Jamie Lewis, Matthew Edgar and Nick Kenny make it through the uk qualifiers.

    Thornton and Van der Pas missed out and will have to go to Q school in January


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    #2655
    ThebitterLemon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    US2 wrote: »
    Jamie Lewis beat Thornton to qualify now which loses Thornton's tour card I think

    That’s a surprise, Thornton’s been bad but Lewis has been abject lately

    TbL


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    #2656
    SketchyPrince
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭SketchyPrince


    Happy for Ciaran Teehan qualifying, has had a difficult first year on the tour definitely. Worst case scenario the £7.5k will push him up the rankings a bit.


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    #2657
    boomdocker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭boomdocker


    ThebitterLemon wrote: »
    That’s a surprise, Thornton’s been bad but Lewis has been abject lately

    TbL

    Saw him a while back in a Euro tour event I think it was, pure brutal


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    #2658
    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭Degag


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Some of the International qualifying events haven't taken place due to covid so there could be additional spots open.

    they should go to players with a Tour Card though, especially given the year that's in it with players making so little money.

    All 96 players updated on Wikipedia now so that should be an end to the wildcard craic hopefully.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_PDC_World_Darts_Championship


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    #2659
    boomdocker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭boomdocker


    Degag wrote: »
    All 96 players updated on Wikipedia now so that should be an end to the wildcard craic hopefully.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_PDC_World_Darts_Championship

    Looks tasty
    First impressions - Peter Wright looks to be in a tricky section
    MvG shouldn't have much problem getting to the QF's
    Section 2looks like a minefield
    Gerwyn price won't have it all his own way - likely to come up against some in form players early on


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    #2660
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    boomdocker wrote: »
    Looks tasty
    First impressions - Peter Wright looks to be in a tricky section
    MvG shouldn't have much problem getting to the QF's
    Section 2looks like a minefield
    Gerwyn price won't have it all his own way - likely to come up against some in form players early on

    Sections 2 and 3 both very hard to call I think

    Section 1 looks to be the weakest quarter by a distance


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    #2661
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Keane Barry interview in tomorrows podcast, will be interested to hear what he makes of his draw

    https://twitter.com/WeeklyDartscast/status/1336645544245137411?s=19


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    #2662
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Big changes for Q school in January. Bit complicated but basically only 500 entrys allowed. People who lost their tourcard or did well in Development/Challenge tour will get a free pass in to the final 128.


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    #2663
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Interview here explaining it all

    https://twitter.com/phillbarrs/status/1337677826233950208?s=19


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    #2664
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Brilliant blunder in yesterdays Independent newspaper


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    #2665
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Thank God the WDF are still going to organise tournaments and basically taken over the gap left by the BDO.

    I was getting worried it was said Steve Browns MAD was taken it. He did a good job with JDC but MAD is ridiculous. It's honestly so stupid you'd think it was a joke. I'll give them a year at most.

    https://twitter.com/DartsWDF/status/1340026548506779650?s=19


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    #2666
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,251 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    MAD darts are certainly living up to their name, a truly ridiculous idea.


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    #2667
    SketchyPrince
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭SketchyPrince


    Is there any notable names that will have to take part in the first stage of Q School? I could be wrong but from what I can see Mark Webster will have to because he didn't play any challenge tour, assume the same for Barney.


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    #2668
    Porthallian
    Registered Users Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭Porthallian


    SketchyPrince wrote: »
    Is there any notable names that will have to take part in the first stage of Q School? I could be wrong but from what I can see Mark Webster will have to because he didn't play any challenge tour, assume the same for Barney.

    John Part :)


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    #2669
    Degag
    Registered Users Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭Degag


    Believe i was listening to Webster commentating the other day and he confirmed not going to Q school. Happy with his media work.

    John Part has been there a few times in recent years.

    Would love if Barney went and was destroyed.


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    #2670
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Today is the starting day for lakeside. I know it's been a **** show the last few years but I really will miss it. 3 of tonight's 4 semi finalists have played in a lakeside final.


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    #2671
    ThebitterLemon
    Registered Users Posts: 6,621 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    US2 wrote: »
    Today is the starting day for lakeside. I know it's been a **** show the last few years but I really will miss it. 3 of tonight's 4 semi finalists have played in a lakeside final.

    Grew up watching it

    Great matches great memories

    Shame it all went to sh1t

    TbL


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