SLARS

deiseindublin · 25-04-2018 6:15pm

Chancer3001 wrote: »

i signed up to a SLAR information meeting.

Where is the SLAR info meeting on?

SligoBrewer · 26-04-2018 12:02pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

Where is the SLAR info meeting on?

There was a SLAR facilitator meeting.

deiseindublin · 29-04-2018 4:11pm

Does anybody know if there is a list of SLAR dates compiled anywhere, or is it a case of going through each subject guideline doc to search for them?

Mardy Bum · 29-04-2018 5:06pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

Does anybody know if there is a list of SLAR dates compiled anywhere, or is it a case of going through each subject guideline doc to search for them?

By right your jct coordinator should be on top of that. They get a few hours off for it.

acequion · 29-04-2018 6:39pm

Teachers are utter idiots if they agree to do SLARS after school. An agreement was reached with the DES where SLARS do not start after school ends. The logistics of cover is not the problem of the ordinary teacher so every ordinary teacher should refuse point blank to attend a SLAR meeting scheduled to begin outside the school day. End of.

Icsics · 29-04-2018 6:57pm

acequion wrote: »

Teachers are utter idiots if they agree to do SLARS after school. An agreement was reached with the DES where SLARS do not start after school ends. The logistics of cover is not the problem of the ordinary teacher so every ordinary teacher should refuse point blank to attend a SLAR meeting scheduled to begin outside the school day. End of.

Completely agree acequion, & I was all ready to do battle to make sure SLARS started in school time. But when u read the circular the wording is deliberately ambiguous. We have a large dept & there’s no way all will be off together for any last class,nor do all have the 2nd yrs, but of course they all want to be there. Without a very clear directive it’s a battle we can’t win & to be honest nor am I willing to be the only one arguing with the Principal.

paddybarry · 29-04-2018 7:03pm

Icsics wrote: »

Completely agree acequion, & I was all ready to do battle to make sure SLARS started in school time. But when u read the circular the wording is deliberately ambiguous. We have a large dept & there’s no way all will be off together for any last class,nor do all have the 2nd yrs, but of course they all want to be there. Without a very clear directive it’s a battle we can’t win & to be honest nor am I willing to be the only one arguing with the Principal.

If you are ASTI school, just show correspondence to school stewards. I did that, and management agreed to start within school time (they were going to do this after school).

acequion · 29-04-2018 8:14pm

Or just show the correspondence to the principal. You would imagine few would have the balls to go against it.

TBH I don't see the wording as ambiguous. It also doesn't state that SLARS take place outside class time. So again the logistics of when people are off and what to do about cover is a headache for management.

It's just another example of the badly thought out shambles that this new JC is proving to be.

paddybarry · 29-04-2018 8:50pm

acequion wrote: »

Or just show the correspondence to the principal. You would imagine few would have the balls to go against it.

TBH I don't see the wording as ambiguous. It also doesn't state that SLARS take place outside class time. So again the logistics of when people are off and what to do about cover is a headache for management.

It's just another example of the badly thought out shambles that this new JC is proving to be.

Managements problem not ours. If teachers stand firm JMB will force the dept to come to a solution. If not, well.........

acequion · 02-05-2018 9:38pm

Urgent question here guys! In our school there will be four teachers at the SLAR, each with 4 samples of students' work. Our facilitator has informed us that we will all have to read the 16 pieces in advance to enable proper discussion on each at the meeting.

Now I have alarm bells going off. At no point before all this got in did I hear of teachers having to prepare in advance for the SLAR,apart from the facilitator who is allowed time for this. I was under the impression that the work of the SLAR was done in the SLAR.

Can anybody enlighten me,please?

Jamfa · 02-05-2018 10:01pm

acequion wrote: »

Urgent question here guys! In our school there will be four teachers at the SLAR, each with 4 samples of students' work. Our facilitator has informed us that we will all have to read the 16 pieces in advance to enable proper discussion on each at the meeting.

Now I have alarm bells going off. At no point before all this got in did I hear of teachers having to prepare in advance for the SLAR,apart from the facilitator who is allowed time for this. I was under the impression that the work of the SLAR was done in the SLAR.

Can anybody enlighten me,please?

We did ours in December and each teacher submitted 4 pieces of student work from their collection of writing. At the SLAR meeting each teacher gave a brief introduction to a text from one of their students, we then spent a couple of minutes reading the text, shared the Descriptor we felt matched the text and had a brief discussion before reaching a consensus. The only thing teachers are required to do before the SLAR is assess their own students, give provisional Descriptors and supply some samples to the chosen facilitator.

paddybarry · 02-05-2018 10:08pm

acequion wrote: »

Urgent question here guys! In our school there will be four teachers at the SLAR, each with 4 samples of students' work. Our facilitator has informed us that we will all have to read the 16 pieces in advance to enable proper discussion on each at the meeting.

Now I have alarm bells going off. At no point before all this got in did I hear of teachers having to prepare in advance for the SLAR,apart from the facilitator who is allowed time for this. I was under the impression that the work of the SLAR was done in the SLAR.

Can anybody enlighten me,please?

Absolutely wrong. Facilitator gets 3 periods off to prepare for SLAR. Should have asked each teacher for a sample corresponding to each descriptor in advance. Facilitator then selects 5-6 samples which will be discussed at slar. These should be photocopied and given to teachers at meeting only, not in advance. Teacher of sample selected makes brief introduction, teachers giving about 10 mins to read sample and then discussion happens.

Mardy Bum · 02-05-2018 10:33pm

Only 8 pieces are supposed to be discussed and there should be no need to read them before it.

Up to the facilitator to pick the weakest and strongest in each descriptor.

evolving_doors · 03-05-2018 6:34am

Could be a way to save time and be out early.

If it were me I'd take a quick look and grade each sample, then jot down a note with reasons. it's usually a single continuous piece of work so really yould get a general impression with a quick skim. At this stage of the game I could give an accurate grade band by skimming through an entire exam paper in 30 seconds.
It's only 4 bands and not a specific % too.

Chancer3001 · 03-05-2018 11:17am

Bit of kerfuffle over when slars take place.

Meant to be half in half out?

We all got a text from our steward today saying TEACHERS ARE NOT OBLIGED TO ATTEND ANY SLAR WHICH IS TIMETABLED COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS.

taken from an asti document

acequion · 03-05-2018 11:54am

evolving_doors wrote: »

Could be a way to save time and be out early.

If it were me I'd take a quick look and grade each sample, then jot down a note with reasons. it's usually a single continuous piece of work so really yould get a general impression with a quick skim. At this stage of the game I could give an accurate grade band by skimming through an entire exam paper in 30 seconds.
It's only 4 bands and not a specific % too.

We all know there's no such thing as a "quick look." If this kind of thing gets established it will become the norm to not only have to do a SLAR but also a preparatory SLAR. Which is lunacy! Also, anybody who teaches English knows there's nothing in any way "quick" about assessing in that subject.

No. I fully agree with the others. I've written to the union to get clarification on it. Let's at least contain the madness!

Icsics · 03-05-2018 12:07pm

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Bit of kerfuffle over when slars take place.

Meant to be half in half out?

We all got a text from our steward today saying TEACHERS ARE NOT OBLIGED TO ATTEND ANY SLAR WHICH IS TIMETABLED COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS.

taken from an asti document

Interesting, which document is that from?

Benicetomonty · 03-05-2018 12:15pm

Icsics wrote: »

Interesting, which document is that from?

Sent to school stewards yesterday. Does it amount to a directive though? Doesn't look like it.

Icsics · 03-05-2018 12:17pm

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Sent to school stewards yesterday. Does it amount to a directive though? Doesn't look like it.

No, but better than nothing! I think there would be much more said about this if it involved all teachers, but as it is the precedent will be set

deiseindublin · 03-05-2018 12:17pm

Clearly states that some slars may be partially outside tuition hours. Taken from JUNIOR CYCLE REFORM
APPENDIX TO JOINT STATEMENT ON PRINCIPLES AND IMPLEMENTATION, PROFESSIONAL TIME TO SUPPORT IMPLEMENTATION
08 JULY 2015

9.7. The 40 minute professional time period provided within timetable is available to teachers on the basis that they will use this time flexibly including bundling time periods and carrying forward time to facilitate professional collaboration. Teachers may also use the time periods for individual planning, feedback or reporting activities relating to Junior Cycle. In particular, time periods will need to be bundled to facilitate SLAR meetings. Since professional collaboration meetings can only be held when the relevant subject teachers can be present, a limited number of meetings may need to draw on teachers’ bundled time to run beyond normal school tuition hours for some of the duration of the meeting.

Benicetomonty · 03-05-2018 12:30pm

A further clarification relating to SLAR meetings was provided by the department of Education and Skills to ASTI in December 2015. It stated as follows:

“The Department confirms that any attempt to impose the organisation of SLAR meetings entirely outside school hours would contravene the agreement. The intention is that SLAR meetings will be scheduled to commence within the timetable, involving the inclusion of a normal timetabled period. However, given the required duration [approximately two hours per meeting], flexibility to run beyond the normal school day for some of the duration of the meeting is required. ”

ASTI also got a further clarification form the dept a couple of years ago, so this should put to bed any notion that the entire meeting should happen outside school hours.

acequion · 03-05-2018 1:29pm

Benicetomonty wrote: »

A further clarification relating to SLAR meetings was provided by the department of Education and Skills to ASTI in December 2015. It stated as follows:

“The Department confirms that any attempt to impose the organisation of SLAR meetings entirely outside school hours would contravene the agreement. The intention is that SLAR meetings will be scheduled to commence within the timetable, involving the inclusion of a normal timetabled period. However, given the required duration [approximately two hours per meeting], flexibility to run beyond the normal school day for some of the duration of the meeting is required. ”

ASTI also got a further clarification form the dept a couple of years ago, so this should put to bed any notion that the entire meeting should happen outside school hours.

Absolutely. The emboldened bit above is all the clarification that's required.

Chancer3001 · 03-05-2018 2:24pm

an informal half in half out agreement forthcoming perhaps?

deiseindublin · 03-05-2018 2:32pm

Informal agreements wouldn't work in most schools I know.

evolving_doors · 03-05-2018 4:12pm

acequion wrote: »

We all know there's no such thing as a "quick look." If this kind of thing gets established it will become the norm to not only have to do a SLAR but also a preparatory SLAR. Which is lunacy! Also, anybody who teaches English knows there's nothing in any way "quick" about assessing in that subject.

No. I fully agree with the others. I've written to the union to get clarification on it. Let's at least contain the madness!

Fair enough, you don't 'have to' going by juniorcycle.ie
if you've say 4 teachers and 10 mins each script to peruse, grade, discuss and concur then id guess you have a very efficient English department. Id imagine the English department in our school deliberating and arguing for ages on one paper alone (they like to talk).
I'd be happy to prep before hand then get in and get out.
You could unbundle some of your 40min weekly acequion!

Icsics · 03-05-2018 4:19pm

The SLARS topic is a hot one in our staff room, made hotter by the people with an eye on the new posts so would do anything Mgt suggested

amacca · 03-05-2018 6:01pm

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Bit of kerfuffle over when slars take place.

Meant to be half in half out?

We all got a text from our steward today saying TEACHERS ARE NOT OBLIGED TO ATTEND ANY SLAR WHICH IS TIMETABLED COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL HOURS.

taken from an asti document

The question then arises as to what school hours are.....are they clearly defined?

eg: OH's school finishes some days at 4:25 and other days at 3:45...she was told by management start SLAR at 3:45 on the days school finishes at 3:45 as this is within school time/hours..........Management are effectively saying school hours runs up to 4:25 its just that classes are finished at 3:45 some days

square that circle as they say.......A bit of a management fast one?

deiseindublin · 03-05-2018 6:16pm

School hours is when the kids are timetabled to be in.

acequion · 03-05-2018 6:39pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

Fair enough, you don't 'have to' going by juniorcycle.ie
if you've say 4 teachers and 10 mins each script to peruse, grade, discuss and concur then id guess you have a very efficient English department. Id imagine the English department in our school deliberating and arguing for ages on one paper alone (they like to talk).
I'd be happy to prep before hand then get in and get out.
You could unbundle some of your 40min weekly acequion!

We're all entitled to see things differently but personally the very last thing I need in my life is more prep! That's why I don't mind the official correcting for the SEC. You turn up, do the inservice on site and then off with your correcting. No advance prep required and you're paid for your work. Oh for a job without all the prep!

Anyway, rant aside, this whole thing is turning into the shambles that many of us predicted. Of course there isn't enough time at the SLAR meeting to do justice to all the samples, but my answer to that would be: 1] Not all samples have to be discussed in the meeting,that's the official line and 2] If there's not enough time, well there's not enough time. We do not pick up the slack by doing it in our own time. We do the best we can in the allotted SLAR time and if it's not good enough, it's not good enough.

We warned about this,we took the pain,were criticised and penalised. Now that the DES basically won,their problem if it's not done well,not ours.

And as for this 40 mins professional time, come on!! We all know that it's completely inadequate compensation in a job that is now almost non stop.

evolving_doors · 03-05-2018 8:09pm

amacca wrote: »

The question then arises as to what school hours are.....are they clearly defined?

eg: OH's school finishes some days at 4:25 and other days at 3:45...she was told by management start SLAR at 3:45 on the days school finishes at 3:45 as this is within school time/hours..........Management are effectively saying school hours runs up to 4:25 its just that classes are finished at 3:45 some days

square that circle as they say.......A bit of a management fast one?

Get clarification from union about when school day ends.

A lot of schools have sub hours left over towards the end of the year which have to be used up. I'm sure there'd be a few PME'S delighted to get the work.

Chancer3001 · 03-05-2018 10:18pm

school hours is hours the school is open for tuition.

why would after the final bell still count as school hours?!

evolving_doors · 04-05-2018 6:37am

Chancer3001 wrote: »

school hours is hours the school is open for tuition.

why would after the final bell still count as school hours?!

Well that's one perspective, but don't forget we're technically still working in June and Easter holidays... apparently.

Icsics · 12-05-2018 9:31pm

Ballot on SLARS coming in the Autumn folks

evolving_doors · 12-05-2018 11:28pm

Icsics wrote: »

Ballot on SLARS coming in the Autumn folks

Link?

happywithlife · 12-05-2018 11:54pm

Another slant on the whole SLARS thing.
Our summer exam timetable went up during the week with all subjects timetabled for in house summer exams - even those that did SLARS- apparently teachers of those subjects are okay with it and it was "agreed " within those departments
Is it setting a precedent for other subjects yet to come on stream? Does it not make a mockery of directives? Asti school if that's relevant.

Icsics · 13-05-2018 12:06am

evolving_doors wrote: »

Link?

No link, motion at CEC today

doc_17 · 13-05-2018 9:03am

It was never stated in stone that CBAs could replace in-house exams. It was offered as an option. I’d still prefer to give mine a maths exam

mtoutlemonde · 13-05-2018 12:20pm

doc_17 wrote: »

It was never stated in stone that CBAs could replace in-house exams. It was offered as an option. I’d still prefer to give mine a maths exam

Me too!!!!

Moody_mona · 13-05-2018 12:59pm

Science is going from 65% terminal exam to 90% and the suggestion is to remove exam practice? I can't justify it.

acequion · 13-05-2018 3:02pm

happywithlife wrote: »

Another slant on the whole SLARS thing.
Our summer exam timetable went up during the week with all subjects timetabled for in house summer exams - even those that did SLARS- apparently teachers of those subjects are okay with it and it was "agreed " within those departments
Is it setting a precedent for other subjects yet to come on stream? Does it not make a mockery of directives? Asti school if that's relevant.

Of course it makes a mockery of directives!

It was agreed with the DES that a CBA could replace a house exam to avoid over assessment and also to contain somewhat the extra workload on the teacher.

Now no disrespect to Maths teachers, but correcting a Maths test is not quite as top heavy as correcting an English one.

But, would I prefer a traditional summer test to a bullshyt CBA? Absolutely.

Am I prepared to do both if I don't have to? No I'm not.

Am I prepared to kill myself with over work to try to save the education system that the Irish Govt couldn't give a toss about in real terms? No I most certainly am not.

How many more times must I remind people that we fought a long, hard campaign and took considerable pain to keep this farce out. But it's in now.

Are teachers really such grade A doormats that they'll now pick up the slack??

Icsics · 13-05-2018 5:24pm

acequion wrote: »

Of course it makes a mockery of directives!

It was agreed with the DES that a CBA could replace a house exam to avoid over assessment and also to contain somewhat the extra workload on the teacher.

Now no disrespect to Maths teachers, but correcting a Maths test is not quite as top heavy as correcting an English one.

But, would I prefer a traditional summer test to a bullshyt CBA? Absolutely.

Am I prepared to do both if I don't have to? No I'm not.

Am I prepared to kill myself with over work to try to save the education system that the Irish Govt couldn't give a toss about in real terms? No I most certainly am not.

How many more times must I remind people that we fought a long, hard campaign and took considerable pain to keep this farce out. But it's in now.

Are teachers really such grade A doormats that they'll now pick up the slack??

That’s a good summary of the current state of affairs! I’ve just completed the English oral presentation, I felt sorry for the students having to go through such ****e. It is very difficult for a 2nd yr to speak in front of a class, they hated it. Wait until all the subjects are in, 2nd yrs will be under intense pressure. Parents are slowly waking up, letters are coming in asking for groups to be changed & special accomations for presentations. Wait until they see the useless ‘descriptors’ in the summer exams instead of a grade!

Mardy Bum · 13-05-2018 7:13pm

Icsics wrote: »

acequion wrote: »

Of course it makes a mockery of directives!

It was agreed with the DES that a CBA could replace a house exam to avoid over assessment and also to contain somewhat the extra workload on the teacher.

Now no disrespect to Maths teachers, but correcting a Maths test is not quite as top heavy as correcting an English one.

But, would I prefer a traditional summer test to a bullshyt CBA? Absolutely.

Am I prepared to do both if I don't have to? No I'm not.

Am I prepared to kill myself with over work to try to save the education system that the Irish Govt couldn't give a toss about in real terms? No I most certainly am not.

How many more times must I remind people that we fought a long, hard campaign and took considerable pain to keep this farce out. But it's in now.

Are teachers really such grade A doormats that they'll now pick up the slack??

That’s a good summary of the current state of affairs! I’ve just completed the English oral presentation, I felt sorry for the students having to go through such ****e. It is very difficult for a 2nd yr to speak in front of a class, they hated it. Wait until all the subjects are in, 2nd yrs will be under intense pressure. Parents are slowly waking up, letters are coming in asking for groups to be changed & special accomations for presentations. Wait until they see the useless ‘descriptors’ in the summer exams instead of a grade!

It all depends what importance you place on it and overall what importance the school places on it. CBA's should help with exam practice. CBA 2 in English is perfect for paper 1 Leaving Certificate preparation. The oral presentation is a very important skill to develop for any student. I have seen huge strides made by students and could feel the sense of achievement after it. If students valued learning more than grades it would greatly improved our education system.

acequion · 13-05-2018 8:10pm

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It all depends what importance you place on it and overall what importance the school places on it. CBA's should help with exam practice. CBA 2 in English is perfect for paper 1 Leaving Certificate preparation. The oral presentation is a very important skill to develop for any student. I have seen huge strides made by students and could feel the sense of achievement after it. If students valued learning more than grades it would greatly improved our education system.

Yes of course there is merit in lots of what you mention there. It's the implementation which is completely arseways.

The collection of texts, I agree,is a good way to prepare essay work. Though all that was already on the old course and it was fine, because, just as in the LC,they had to learn to do it in exam conditions. That's gone now. In its place though, is the drafting process, which is good.

But I don't agree with you re the oral presentations. While I think it's a good idea that they are now on the new course, I don't think they should be a CBA and I certainly don't think they're a good replacement for the summer test.

And your comment about students valuing learning more than grades is totally unrealistic. No youngster ever values learning until they look back from the distant perspective of middle or old age. And in the 21st century world where everything is a means to an end, even less so.

I completely agree with Icsics that this whole thing will eventually lead to huge pressure on young second years. And who wants that??

Mardy Bum · 13-05-2018 10:06pm

acequion wrote: »

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It all depends what importance you place on it and overall what importance the school places on it. CBA's should help with exam practice. CBA 2 in English is perfect for paper 1 Leaving Certificate preparation. The oral presentation is a very important skill to develop for any student. I have seen huge strides made by students and could feel the sense of achievement after it. If students valued learning more than grades it would greatly improved our education system.

Yes of course there is merit in lots of what you mention there. It's the implementation which is completely arseways.

The collection of texts, I agree,is a good way to prepare essay work. Though all that was already on the old course and it was fine, because, just as in the LC,they had to learn to do it in exam conditions. That's gone now. In its place though, is the drafting process, which is good.

But I don't agree with you re the oral presentations. While I think it's a good idea that they are now on the new course, I don't think they should be a CBA and I certainly don't think they're a good replacement for the summer test.

And your comment about students valuing learning more than grades is totally unrealistic. No youngster ever values learning until they look back from the distant perspective of middle or old age. And in the 21st century world where everything is a means to an end, even less so.

I completely agree with Icsics that this whole thing will eventually lead to huge pressure on young second years. And who wants that??

I agree it will lead to pressure and it will demand a very streamlined approach at a classroom level, department level and whole school level. By right this should be what jct should be devoting their days to but they seem to be too busy pontificating to the lowest common denominator teacher who still doesn't know what AFL stands for.

If we don't at least try to inculcate the importance of learning and knowledge over the importance of grades we are setting our students up for a miserable life.

man_no_plan · 13-05-2018 10:16pm

Mardy Bum wrote: »

I agree it will lead to pressure and it will demand a very streamlined approach at a classroom level, department level and whole school level. By right this should be what jct should be devoting their days to but they seem to be too busy pontificating to the lowest common denominator teacher who still doesn't know what AFL stands for.

If we don't at least try to inculcate the importance of learning and knowledge over the importance of grades we are setting our students up for a miserable life.

I'd be inclined to agree with you but it does seem that the CBA is becoming very high stakes even though it isn't.

I see second years more wound up about the CBA than third years were about their coursework b, for example. Maybe when the novelty wears off everyone will relax.

It should not be a major event that requires the whole school to come to a standstill. There's less fuss when the LC Irish orals are on between teachers having conniptions if there's a match on and the talk about how they're in the middle of the CBA...

Still, it's a good laugh reminding them of the time they told me it in a supportive collegial way that I was so lucky to have a project as part of the woodwork!

Lucky indeed!!

deiseindublin · 13-05-2018 10:16pm

Icsics wrote: »

Ballot on SLARS coming in the Autumn folks

I'm presuming that's ASTI?

I wonder have we a hope in hell of TUI bothering when they themselves published exemplar SLAR timetables as happening on teacher half days. Agreement clarification doc clearly states that they have to start during class time. You just couldn't make it up.

doc_17 · 13-05-2018 10:55pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

I'm presuming that's ASTI?

I wonder have we a hope in hell of TUI bothering when they themselves published exemplar SLAR timetables as happening on teacher half days. Agreement clarification doc clearly states that they have to start during class time. You just couldn't make it up.

“Agreement Clarification”. Have you a link?

deiseindublin · 13-05-2018 11:41pm

I'm not sure what exactly the doc was called. It was the DES response to questions raised about JC, where they said it would be contrary to the agreement if SLARS were wholly outside class time. Link was posted a few pages back.

“The Department confirms that any attempt to impose the organisation of SLAR meetings entirely outside school hours would contravene the agreement. The intention is that SLAR meetings will be scheduled to commence within the timetable, involving the inclusion of a normal timetabled period. However, given the required duration [approximately two hours per meeting], flexibility to run beyond the normal school day for some of the duration of the meeting is required. ”

km79 · 16-05-2018 5:38pm

“At its meeting on May 12th, ASTI Central Executive Council (CEC) adopted the following motion:

That CEC adopt the view that the current arrangement for SLAR meetings, where a portion of all these meetings takes place outside of school time, contravenes section 9.7 of the appendix to Joint Statement on Principles and Implementation on Junior Cycle reform.

Therefore CEC adopt the view that section 9.7 means that all SLAR meetings must be scheduled to start and end within normal school tuition hours, and only a limited number may run over, and issue a directive to members to comply.

This motion requires a ballot of members. ASTI is making arrangements for a ballot in autumn.”

Well now ......

Moody_mona · 12-03-2019 11:33pm

Any advice on organising and compromising here? I need one teacher covered for one class so that we can have a "half in half out" slar but it's a no go with management. I don't want to back down and forever more have to do everything outside school time. Any suggestions for phrasing? References? Union help? Please and thank you.

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