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BDS must share moral blame for Paris attack

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  • 15-11-2015 8:06pm
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    josephryan1989
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    The Bataclan theatre was owned by French Jews until recently who had been targeted by a self-style group called Army of Islam for their support for Israeli causes while the band Eagles of Death Metal had been condemned for playing in Israel by Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions activists for playing in Israel.

    The aims of ISIS and other Islamist groups are indistinguishable from the Islamo-fascist ideology of Hamas who seek to destroy Israel and massacre all Jews in the Middle East and world wide.

    Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions activists are nothing less than fifth columnist traitors who are apologies for Islamic jihad against Israel.

    The extreme left have opposed military actions against the enemies of Israel, they opposed the overthrow of the Taliban after 9/11 and opposed the overthrow of Saddam Hussein and called for the military withdrawal from Iraq that led to the rise of ISIS.

    Their cowardice has emboldened radical Islamists and their cause, has damaged the moral of Western publics and has facilitated the appeasement of terrorists and the vilification of Jews that are at the core of the attacks on Paris.

    They share the moral blame.

    No doubt they will protest against any military action to fight ISIS and other terrorist groups whom they give defacto support.


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    Eric Cartman
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    whether these attacks are anything to do with israel or not , Israel still needs to be condemned for its actions in Palestine and the boycotting of their products seems to be somewhat effective. These people under the banner of ISIS also need to be condemned. ISIS actions do not vindicate israel , and opposing israel does not make anyone pro ISIS.


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    Gatling
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    Less conspiracy theories and more fact ,

    Chances are are the theatre was a plan b, plan c if they couldn't access the stadium which seems to have been the priority target
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    MakeEmLaugh
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    whether these attacks are anything to do with israel or not , Israel still needs to be condemned for its actions in Palestine

    Do you also condemn the Palestinians who fired approximately 2,500 rockets on their own people in Gaza during the summer of 2014?

    That's not including the rockets they fired into Israel - that's 2,500 rockets on their own people, including the rocket which killed 13 Palestinian civilians (11 children, 2 adults) at a supermarket in the Al-Shati refugee?

    Or do the Palestinians killed by other Palestinians matter less than the Palestinians killed by Israelis?


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    leavingirl
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Do you also condemn the Palestinians who fired approximately 2,500 rockets on their own people in Gaza during the summer of 2014?

    That's not including the rockets they fired into Israel - that's 2,500 rockets on their own people, including the rocket which killed 13 Palestinian civilians (11 children, 2 adults) at a supermarket in the Al-Shati refugee?

    Or do the Palestinians killed by other Palestinians matter less than the Palestinians killed by Israelis?

    What's the latest from Sky News?


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    Thelomen Toblackai
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    josephryan1989 wrote: »
    The aims of ISIS and other Islamist groups are indistinguishable from the Islamo-fascist ideology of Hamas who seek to destroy Israel and massacre all Jews in the Middle East and world wide.

    The same Hamas who came out an denounced the Paris attacks and vowed to fight ISIS ?

    Did someone forget to tell them they have the same aims ?

    And terrorists kill people in Paris in retribution for French involvement in military operations in the middle east, but Israeli jews are the real victims because some people have issue with their slaughter of innocent civilians in Palestine ?


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    MakeEmLaugh
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    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    The same Hamas who came out an denounced the Paris attacks and vowed to fight ISIS ?

    Did someone forget to tell them they have the same aims ?

    And terrorists kill people in Paris in retribution for French involvement in military operations in the middle east, but Israeli jews are the real victims because some people have issue with their slaughter of innocent civilians in Palestine?

    Hamas denouncing the Paris attacks means less than nothing. The Provisional IRA denounced the Omagh bombing - that doesn't absolve them of responsibility for the Le Mon bombing, the Birmingham bombs, the Shankill Road bomb, the Enniskillen bomb, the Bloody Friday bombings, or any other of their attacks on civilians.
    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    And terrorists kill people in Paris in retribution for French involvement in military operations in the middle east, but Israeli jews are the real victims because some people have issue with their slaughter of innocent civilians in Palestine?

    I have a simple question for you.

    'Pro-Palestinian' protestors attacked the Bataclan theatre in 2008. They said, in French:

    "Si le Bataclan et le Migdal organisent, comme les années précédentes, un gala pour le Magav, la police des frontières de l'armée israélienne, les gens ne vont plus le supporter et vous allez payer les conséquences de vos actes. La prochaine fois on ne viendra pas pour parler."

    which, in English, translates as

    "If the Bataclan and Migdal organize, as in previous years, a gala for Magav, the border police of the Israeli army, people will not take it anymore and you will pay the consequences of your actions. The next time it will not come to talk."

    In your opinion, were these pro-Palestinians right or wrong?


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    Thelomen Toblackai
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Hamas denouncing the Paris attacks means less than nothing. The Provisional IRA denounced the Omagh bombing - that doesn't absolve them of responsibility for the Le Mon bombing, the Birmingham bombs, the Shankill Road bomb, the Enniskillen bomb, the Bloody Friday bombings, or any other of their attacks on civilians.

    Its means that in all likelihood the OP is wrong in claiming that their aims are indistinguishable from that of ISIS. Given they are clearly at odds. And that the Paris attacks were not actually an attempt to rid the word of Jews which the OP claims is the aims of Hamas.

    Which makes it pretty clear that there are some here dangerous close to pulling a muscle trying to bend over backwards to shoehorn anything involving terrorism into an assault on Israel.
    I have a simple question for you.

    'Pro-Palestinian' protestors attacked the Bataclan theatre in 2008. They said, in French:

    "Si le Bataclan et le Migdal organisent, comme les années précédentes, un gala pour le Magav, la police des frontières de l'armée israélienne, les gens ne vont plus le supporter et vous allez payer les conséquences de vos actes. La prochaine fois on ne viendra pas pour parler."

    which, in English, translates as

    "If the Bataclan and Migdal organize, as in previous years, a gala for Magav, the border police of the Israeli army, people will not take it anymore and you will pay the consequences of your actions. The next time it will not come to talk."

    In your opinion, were these pro-Palestinians right or wrong?

    Doesn't sound like a simple question judging on the morality of actions you call "attacks" by people you describe only as "Pro Palestinians" and their statement which seems to indicate there was no violence this time but might be next time.

    Were they right about what ?


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    ancapailldorcha
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    OP, please read the charter before posting again. I'm locking this as the OP is below the standard we expect here.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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