Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 7:36pm

kneemos wrote: »

The BBC towing the US line despite the obvious flaws in the story is rather unsettling.

The BBC is a shell of its former self.

dasdog · 15-06-2019 7:38pm

#6 get it

A glass bowl please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhzLM_zR8Jo

Gringo180 · 15-06-2019 7:40pm

An attack on Iran by the U.S will result in a lot of dead civilians on mainland America. How much more blood do the yanks have to spill for Israel?

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-06-2019 7:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The BBC is a shell of its former self.

I'd pay some poor pensioners (newly) applied 2020 fee - If they offer to take that wan - laura kuenssberg off it, imagine she lives there under a desk, or in the roofspace, as is never off their news based programes for errr 'unbaised' commentry.

IAMAMORON · 15-06-2019 7:41pm

riemann wrote: »

This is true. Worrying times ahead.

To play Devils advocate, for all his smack talk Trump hasn't directly involved the US in any conflicts since taking office. He has even reduced troop numbers in several areas.

If they attempt any kind of action in Iran oil prices will go crazy, and likely trigger a global recession. Iran is a regional powerhouse with a significant defence force.

Sad to see the UK towing the US line again, you'd think they have bigger problems to fucus on.

It depends who is pushing his buttons.

The escalation of a crisis will develop support for him with the elections on the way. It also distracts the Mexican Border issue and allows him to blame something else for not prioritising his delivery there. The fact remains that with no majority in the house of reps he can't build a wall anyway, or even pretend to.

To be frank I think he dreads foreign relations and all that it entails. Deep down whilst being extremely clever he is also an amateur at international affairs. He only became president on domestic issues, I doubt he even knows the name of the Iranian foreign minister.

Eitherways I suspect there are even bigger players at play here, particularly with the crude oil price increases.

After all that waffle there is no way Russia, China or Turkey would endorse US military action in the gulf. If they start it could get out of hand very quickly.
Given that reality I suspect the whole episode is being engineered, but a really really dangerous game.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 7:43pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Not a chance in hell Trump will be re-elected, not a chance.

The US want to invade Iran. My only caveat is I am not sure whether Trump needs congressional approval. I am also not sure whether they need the approval of an Ally. But I will research both and let you know.

Jesus, you spend enough time in the Americanised fever swamp that is the politics forum you’d think you’d know.

In theory congress should authorise wars, in practise, particularly since 9/11, the presidents just go to war, or authorise missile and drone strikes.

And no need for an ally. In theory, again, they should get UN approval but never do. Don’t even try these days.

nacho libre · 15-06-2019 8:12pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

The BBC is a shell of its former self.

I see no difference in their repporting now than i did in the lead up to the Iraq War. They will always parrot the sitting government line - which is to please their American ally.

Dante7 · 15-06-2019 8:26pm

Rory Stewart says it is most likely IRGC Quds. He knows his stuff.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1139847661907873793?s=19

riemann · 15-06-2019 8:30pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Rory Stewart says it is most likely IRGC Quds. He knows his stuff.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1139847661907873793?s=19

Most likely? Based on what?

Gringo180 · 15-06-2019 8:34pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Rory Stewart says it is most likely IRGC Quds. He knows his stuff.

https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1139847661907873793?s=19

Why on earth would Iran shoot itself in the foot like that? Zero chance there behind this, "if it doesnt make sense, its usually not true".

Bobeagleburger · 15-06-2019 8:35pm

Why start a war with Iran. They don't have any resources...

kowloon · 15-06-2019 8:51pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Stalin didn't want a war in the East too.

Three months after the defeat of Germany the Russians blitzkrieged Japanese Manchuria and the north of Korea.

Stalin agreed to join the war against Japan once Germany was out of the picture at a conference held in Tehran. All the pieces are falling together. It was the lizard people all along!

Dante7 · 15-06-2019 8:53pm

riemann wrote: »

Most likely? Based on what?

Based in his knowledge of the area. He was a deputy governor of a state in Iraq and was likely high ranking in MI6. He has access to the confidential intel.

jackboy · 15-06-2019 9:03pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

An attack on Iran by the U.S will result in a lot of dead civilians on mainland America. How much more blood do the yanks have to spill for Israel?

How could Iran successfully attack mainland US?

janfebmar · 15-06-2019 9:09pm

jackboy wrote: »

How could Iran successfully attack mainland US?

It is in Iran's interest to lessen oil supplies / raise the price of oil.

Gringo180 · 15-06-2019 9:14pm

jackboy wrote: »

How could Iran successfully attack mainland US?

Theres about a million of them living in the states. The former head of the CIA said if theres attacks on Iran from the U.S the Iranians will retaliate and hit them from within on home soil.

Odhinn · 15-06-2019 9:17pm

News just in

https://politics.theonion.com/bleeding-john-bolton-stumbles-into-capitol-building-cla-1834847900

paw patrol · 15-06-2019 9:27pm

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Why start a war with Iran. They don't have any resources...

pistachio nuts

Odhinn · 15-06-2019 9:32pm

Dante7 wrote: »

Based in his knowledge of the area. He was a deputy governor of a state in Iraq and was likely high ranking in MI6. He has access to the confidential intel.

Yes. That was all such a success we can have no serious questions as to his judgement.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:35pm

An Iranian and 2 Oil tankers are have been identified in the video taken by US military.

An Iranian vessel that has been identified from parade videos has been identified. Its an Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Gashti class patrol boat.

Its removing something in the video from the Kokuka Courageous . It's a Japanese owned Oil Tanker.

What we don't know for sure is what its removing and what the Iranian vessel did before that.

The Americans say its a limpet mine. That's unclear though.

The US say the Iranians placed it there and that the footage of the Iranians removing an object from the damaged vessel proves they put that object there and it was a mine.

Nothing shows the Iranians putting anything there.

However you have to ask yourself WHY would Iran remove anything from a damaged Oil Tanker?

Its important to note though.
The crew of one of the Kokuka Courageous, say it was a flying object that attacked them.

The Japanese ship owner has said the US is wrong.
Yukata Katada,the president of the company that RUNS the Kokuka Courageous says he didn't think there was a bomb or anything attached to the side of the Tanker.

It's all very strange.

What WAS the Iranian vessel removing and why?

I mean if it's not a mine why don't they just say what it was?

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:38pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

An attack on Iran by the U.S will result in a lot of dead civilians on mainland America. How much more blood do the yanks have to spill for Israel?

This has nothing to do with Israel stop that.

Any Excuse to blame the jews.

Either Iran is to blame or the US. We don't know yet. Israel has nothing to do with it.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 9:44pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Israel stop that.

Any Excuse to blame the jews.

Either Iran is to blame or the US. We don't know yet. Israel has nothing to do with it.

Any number of hostile government actors in the area could have something to do with it. Not that Israel is top of my list of suspects.

nacho libre · 15-06-2019 9:44pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Israel stop that.

Any Excuse to blame the jews.

Either Iran is to blame or the US. We don't know yet. Israel has nothing to do with it.

Or it could be another third party wishing to settle scores in on going proxy conflict.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:46pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Any number of hostile government actors in the area could have something to do with it. Not that Israel is top of my list of suspects.

I don't think so.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 9:47pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I don't think so.

I do think so.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:47pm

nacho libre wrote: »

Or it could be another third party wishing to settle scores in on going proxy conflict.

Japanese owned oil Tankers???

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:47pm

This is not a nation vrs nation war.

This is the oil industry and an attack on the oil industry.

Interesting Saudi Arabi is being Hawkish...they want action against Iran. For obv reasons.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/iran-renews-ultimatum-nuclear-deal-oil-tanker-tensions-190615090730002.html

They want international military response.

This is not about nationality its about the oil industry.

I would doubt its a govt acting alone.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 9:48pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Japanese owned oil Tankers???

He means Saudi or the UAE trying to implicate Iran.

It could have been Iranians but I have yet to see how they benefit.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 9:48pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is not a nation vrs nation war.

This is the oil industry and an attack on the oil industry.

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read in this thread.

kneemos · 15-06-2019 9:49pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This has nothing to do with Israel stop that.

Any Excuse to blame the jews.

Either Iran is to blame or the US. We don't know yet. Israel has nothing to do with it.

Saudi's are very eager for retaliation. Might have been them.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:52pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

He means Saudi or the UAE trying to implicate Iran.

It could have been Iranians but I have yet to see how they benefit.

I would say Saudi alone no. Saudi the US and the oil industry ..maybe. I sense private sector and American involvement.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:53pm

kneemos wrote: »

Saudi's are very eager for retaliation. Might have been them.

The Americans would have to be involved then. And probably the private oil sector.

No doubt Israel will be left with living with it after everyone trashes their neighborhood.

Say my name · 15-06-2019 9:55pm

From the 14th May 2019.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/israel-saudi-arabia-trump-aides-want-confrontation-iran-will-trump-n1005581

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:55pm

The UK has publicly stated Iran did it too.

No doubt when Boris is PM he will be bring some common sense into it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/uk-joins-us-in-accusing-iran-of-tanker-attacks-as-crew-held-1.3927178

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 9:57pm

Say my name wrote: »

From the 14th May 2019.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/israel-saudi-arabia-trump-aides-want-confrontation-iran-will-trump-n1005581

Whatever the politicians say the Israeli people DO NOT want war with Iran.

Haaretz (main Israeli newspaper) claims Iran is unlikely to have done it.

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/.premium-oman-attack-iran-is-the-immediate-but-unlikely-suspect-1.7368134

Haaretz is pretty reliable.

IAMAMORON · 15-06-2019 9:59pm

I very much doubt that Mossad are involved, in saying that I would not put anything past them.

It actually just stinks of really hammy unthought through non trustworthy propaganda.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 10:04pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I very much doubt that Mossad are involved, in saying that I would not put anything past them.

It actually just stinks of really hammy unthought through non trustworthy propaganda.

Iran claims Mossad is behind it.

Why would Mossad destroy a Japanese oil tanker??

Its basically an act of terrorism.

What people think of Israel on this forum baffles me sometimes. You guys are so alien to me.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 10:07pm

The US claims it's drones were targeted beforehand. https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/us-drones-were-targeted-prior-to-oil-tanker-attacks-according-to-us-officials-62007877770

IAMAMORON · 15-06-2019 10:15pm

What a clusterphuck. My gut says CIA. If I go missing it probably was.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 10:24pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Iran claims Mossad is behind it.

Why would Mossad destroy a Japanese oil tanker??

Its basically an act of terrorism.

What people think of Israel on this forum baffles me sometimes. You guys are so alien to me.

Why would Mossad destroy a Japanese oil tanker according to Iran. To implicate Iran.

I’m not saying that it was Israel, mind. More likely our friends the Saudis.

It makes more sense than a few oilmen in Dallas though. Or that Iran would attack a Japanese tanker the very day the Japanese premier is there.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 10:30pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Why would Mossad destroy a Japanese oil tanker according to Iran. To implicate Iran.

I’m not saying that it was Israel, mind. More likely our friends the Saudis.

It makes more sense than a few oilmen in Dallas though. Or that Iran would attack a Japanese tanker the very day the Japanese premier is there.

Israel is not the warmonger you think they are. The govt can't afford to be. It's electorate is the army. They go to war their voters DIE.

They just live beside crazy countries with zero concern for human rights i.e Syria Iraq Jordan.

jackboy · 15-06-2019 10:32pm

I don’t think it was the US. If they were going to do something like that they would have just sunk one vessel. Taking wild pot shots at lots of tankers just seems a bit amateurish. Too much chance of getting caught in the act.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-06-2019 10:39pm

jackboy wrote: »

I don’t think it was the US. If they were going to do something like that they would have just sunk one vessel. Taking wild pot shots at lots of tankers just seems a bit amateurish. Too much chance of getting caught in the act.

I think they are involved. They have provided dodgy looking evidence.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 10:45pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Israel is not the warmonger you think they are.

I didn’t say they were in this case. Seriously, can you read?

The govt can't afford to be. It's electorate is the army. They go to war their voters DIE.

They just live beside crazy countries with zero concern for human rights i.e Syria Iraq Jordan.

Any war would be between Iran and the US anyway. Just as the US invaded two of those countries you listed.

BorneTobyWilde · 15-06-2019 10:45pm

Russia are the only ones with the balls to attack those ships. I'd say it was them. As for footage of Iranian forces removing the unexploded whatever, of course they would remove it, who else would? It's Iranian waters and their military are only ones that are going to make it safe, they are the only ones who will tug it back to shore and access damage. If it was in UK waters it would be the UK Forces removing the unexploded whatever. I say Putin is trying his best to start a war, I'd say he was responsible. He has no problem murdering people and the world just shrugs it's shoulder and say'' lil olde Putin, what will we do with him the rascal '' He commits so many acts or murder that it has become '' oh well, that's Putin '' When you do something so many times it becomes normalised.
If Trump was to order the killing of Jim Acosta it would be huge news, put Putin has people killed everyday, or poisoned , even in the UK and the world just says, that's Putin, it's excepted that he kills people and it's okay.

Blueshoe · 15-06-2019 10:49pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Russia are the only ones with the balls to attack those ships. I'd say it was them. As for footage of Iranian forces removing the unexploded whatever, of course they would remove it, who else would? It's Iranian waters and their military are only ones that are going to make it safe, they are the only ones who will tug it back to shore and access damage. If it was in UK waters it would be the UK Forces removing the unexploded whatever. I say Putin is trying his best to start a war, I'd say he was responsible. He has no problem murdering people and the world just shrugs it's shoulder and say'' lil olde Putin, what will we do with him the rascal '' He commits so many acts or murder that it has become '' oh well, that's Putin '' When you do something so many times it becomes normalised.
If Trump was to order the killing of Jim Acosta it would be huge news, put Putin has people killed everyday, or poisoned , even in the UK and the world just says, that's Putin, it's excepted that he kills people and it's okay.

That makes no sense

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 10:50pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Russia are the only ones with the balls to attack those ships. I'd say it was them.

You’re alone on that one.

As for footage of Iranian forces removing the unexploded whatever, of course they would remove it, who else would? It's Iranian waters and their military are only ones that are going to make it safe, they are the only ones who will tug it back to shore and access damage. If it was in UK waters it would be the UK Forces removing the unexploded whatever.

The US is however claiming that the Iranians are responsible because they removed the device. That doesn’t make a lot of sense, but there it is.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 15-06-2019 10:51pm

Also, Hilary, give it a rest on the Putin thing.

greenfield21 · 15-06-2019 10:53pm

It should be Interesting to see how the continued increase in shale oil from the us will effect these countries, Russia suadi arabia etc.

gw80 · 15-06-2019 10:56pm

This thread is going to ruin the movie for me when it comes out.

Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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