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15-05-2019, 12:39   #16
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That's very interesting really! And not to mention, these private school kids are many times born to a life of privelge, meet other priveleged children, such as the kids of active politicians, which sketches out their adult life of continued privelege.

In a way, comparing it to the plight of the Jewish people, is similar to how Israel tries to paint any criticism of Israel as "anti Jewish".

ALWAYS try to portray yourself as the victim to avoid criticism would be the take away.
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15-05-2019, 12:43   #17
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Also why do people feel the need to attack people who seek to challenge privilege?

Because the people who seek to “challenge privilege” tend to be annoying fcuks.


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But unfortunately the studies show that private school students do worse when they get to university. You're saying that universities shouldn't seek the best students and minimise the under performers?

Universities have never been about seeking the best students, they’re more like expensive day care centres for the wealthy who can afford to send their children to Universities with the best reputation in the provision of said childminding services.
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Universities have never been about seeking the best students, they’re more like expensive day care centres for the wealthy who can afford to send their children to Universities with the best reputation in the provision of said childminding services.
Well sorry Jack but I want to be sure that the society has the best scientists, doctors and engineers. I don't want my taxes to fund day care centres.
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Head of Stowe school a private school in Buckinghamshire argued that



Leaders in the Jewish community obviously denounced this comparison.

This comes as Oxford is under the spotlight as it was revealed that 47% of its students come from private schools despite those schools only representing only 7% of the population. Oxford, to be fair to them has pledged to reduce or limit the number of applicants from private schools.

This isn't simply from a position of equality but in response the revelation that studies show the that the results that these students receive in GCSEs aren't reflective of their actual academic ability. When they get to university they don't do as well as state school pupils.


So Oxford are letting a near majority of its students from private schools when research shows that state school students do better at university. Even forgetting equality for a minute, why shouldn't Oxford seek to have the best pupils and reduce those whose school privilege may have lent itself to an inflated academic score?

Also why do people feel the need to attack people who seek to challenge privilege?
ridiculous comments from the head, absolutely stupid thing to say.

Can you confirm your figures though?

According to the articles linked (and the link in the second to Oxford's own statistics) 58% are from state schools, but that does not equate to the remainder being from private schools as the Guardian presumes.

77% of pupils at Oxford are from the UK, so surely it should read that 19% are from private schools?
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Well sorry Jack but I want to be sure that the society has the best scientists, doctors and engineers. I don't want my taxes to fund day care centres.

None of us actually have any choice in where our taxes are spent. It’s yet another reason why even in a society with the most well educated scientists, doctors and engineers; it’s politicians, and not University educated children banging on about “challenging privilege”, will ultimately decide where public funds are spent.
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In the UK "private" schools are actually called Public Schools.
Fun fact.
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That's very interesting really! And not to mention, these private school kids are many times born to a life of privelge, meet other priveleged children, such as the kids of active politicians, which sketches out their adult life of continued privelege.

In a way, comparing it to the plight of the Jewish people, is similar to how Israel tries to paint any criticism of Israel as "anti Jewish".

ALWAYS try to portray yourself as the victim to avoid criticism would be the take away.
I know it's mad right. They feel their kids are entitled to superior treatment based on class and the ones who challenge that are labelled as discriminating against class.

I'm a member on our organisation's Athena Swan board in a UK university. We deal with gender, class and race discrimination and ensuring equality of opportunity.

Time and time again when there's moves to analyse fairness in admissions regarding the school the pupil attends the heads of these top fee paying schools complain that the children they teach are victims of class discrimination. The same children that studies show under perform at university in relation to poorer children, the same ones who get a place in a university sometimes at the expense of a poorer but brighter student.

People like this feel their wealth entitles them and their kids to attend university. To convince themselves that this entitlement is right they'll come up with myths like "private school kids are brighter" and to challenge their beliefs is apparently classism.
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None of us actually have any choice in where our taxes are spent. It’s yet another reason why even in a society with the most well educated scientists, doctors and engineers; it’s politicians, and not University educated children banging on about “challenging privilege”, will ultimately decide where public funds are spent.
I do Jack. I sit on an equality board in the university. We have some say in admissions.
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ridiculous comments from the head, absolutely stupid thing to say.

Can you confirm your figures though?

According to the articles linked (and the link in the second to Oxford's own statistics) 58% are from state schools, but that does not equate to the remainder being from private schools as the Guardian presumes.

77% of pupils at Oxford are from the UK, so surely it should read that 19% are from private schools?
Thanks for correcting me Aegir. An article from the BBC suggests that 42% of Oxford students come from private schools.
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Thanks for correcting me Aegir. An article from the BBC suggests that 42% of Oxford students come from private schools.
the BBC make the same mistake as the Guardian do.
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the BBC make the same mistake as the Guardian do.
A could you point out where they say they assume the remainder of students must come from private school?
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In the UK "private" schools are actually called Public Schools.
Fun fact.
that's not strictly correct. Public schools originally referred to a limited number of very old, very posh schools, usually boys boarding schools like Eton and Rugby and was used because they were owned by the public, not the state.

Most private schools today would be called either private or independent, with independent probably the most common.

Anyone who tells you they went to a "Public" school is almost always guaranteed to be a complete wanker.
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A could you point out where they say they assume the remainder of students must come from private school?
read the report, it isn't difficult.
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read the report, it isn't difficult.
Point it out A.
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I do Jack. I sit on an equality board in the university. We have some say in admissions.

That gives you some say in admissions, it doesn’t give you any say in how your taxes are spent. That’s decided by politicians, and sitting on an equality board at a University isn’t going to have all that much of an influence in who is or isn’t admitted to University when the main criteria for admissions is still those people wealthy enough to be able to afford to send their children to Universities.

It’s the trainee politicians in the SU will be deciding in the future how much funding is given to equality and diversity programmes over how much funding is given to scientific research. That Government funded “equality board” you’re sitting on for example -


Athena SWAN (Scientific Women’s Academic Network) is a charter established and managed by the UK Equality Challenge Unit (now part of Advance HE) in 2005 that recognises and celebrates good practices in higher education and research institutions towards the advancement of gender equality: representation, progression and success for all.

...

An exploratory study of women's and men's perceptions of Athena SWAN was broadly positive and highlighted the significance of government funding being linked to SWAN awards, but it also highlighted the limitations of whether the process can change longstanding and entrenched issues in society.


Athena SWAN


All that being said of course, when I hear anyone come out with the expression “challenging privilege”, it’s the wealthy SU types who I was referring to such as these examples -

White males' should be BANNED from speaking during university classes so women and transgender students are more willing to contribute to discussions, seminar suggests

Pictured: Diversity officer who banned whites from her 'anti-racism' event at British university wiping away fake tear in front of 'no white men' sign
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