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15-05-2019, 12:01   #1
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UK's private school students are being "persecuted akin to the Jewish people"

Head of Stowe school a private school in Buckinghamshire argued that

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the questioning the disproportionate numbers of privately educated people in positions of power was akin to “the conspiratorial language of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and the language of “Hitler and his henchmen.

There’s a much more concerted effort by [Oxbridge] admissions tutors to drive down the number of places given to independent schools,” he told the Times. “Privately educated pupils in the UK are also being accused of dominating the top jobs and stifling social mobility … it is all too facile to stereotype groups and ignore the fact that lawyers, doctors, writers and politicians are individuals.
Leaders in the Jewish community obviously denounced this comparison.

This comes as Oxford is under the spotlight as it was revealed that 47% of its students come from private schools despite those schools only representing only 7% of the population. Oxford, to be fair to them has pledged to reduce or limit the number of applicants from private schools.

This isn't simply from a position of equality but in response the revelation that studies show the that the results that these students receive in GCSEs aren't reflective of their actual academic ability. When they get to university they don't do as well as state school pupils.


So Oxford are letting a near majority of its students from private schools when research shows that state school students do better at university. Even forgetting equality for a minute, why shouldn't Oxford seek to have the best pupils and reduce those whose school privilege may have lent itself to an inflated academic score?

Also why do people feel the need to attack people who seek to challenge privilege?
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Lol what sort of **** would someone have to be to actually think of that analogy let alone use it in public!

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He's just looking after his own, if numbers attending Oxbridge from privates schools fall then so does the attractiveness of attending these schools.
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What way does college selection work in the UK? CAO system here stops favoritism based on schools directly. Although going to better equipped schools and grid schools do give advantages it is still based on grade achievement.
The US system is even worse with the way it selects pupils. Such a corrupt and exclusionary model.
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He's just looking after his own, if numbers attending Oxbridge from privates schools fall then so does the attractiveness of attending these schools.
But he's not looking after his own. You don't do that by comparing the already privileged kids to victims of the Holocaust.
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The world has worse problems to sort out the Uk is a pretty good place to live and dose alright on meritocracy, nowhere is perfect.
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What way does college selection work in the UK? CAO system here stops favoritism based on schools directly. Although going to better equipped schools and grid schools do give advantages it is still based on grade achievement.
The US system is even worse with the way it selects pupils. Such a corrupt and exclusionary model.
They have a points system but you also have to write a personal statement which leaves a lot of wiggle room for them.
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But he's not looking after his own. You don't do that by comparing the already privileged kids to victims of the Holocaust.
Attempting to look after his own.

Very silly analogy for sure, but it shouldn't be surprising that the head of a private school is in favour of the status quo.
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Attempting to look after his own.

Very silly analogy for sure, but it shouldn't be surprising that the head of a private school is in favour of the status quo.
Indeed but should it be surprising that other people fight for the best pupils to attend Oxford and not just the richest?
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What way does college selection work in the UK? CAO system here stops favoritism based on schools directly. Although going to better equipped schools and grid schools do give advantages it is still based on grade achievement.
The US system is even worse with the way it selects pupils. Such a corrupt and exclusionary model.
You can't compare these studies with Irish studies. We have private schools but they're heavily subsidised. One school in Dublin only wanted children "south of the river to attend" but they were soon corrected on that.
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Indeed but should it be surprising that other people fight for the best pupils to attend Oxford and not just the richest?
If you look at the figures, you may find that the media could be be hoist by its own petard. Stowe school doesn't really do as well in A levels for AAB% as state/comprehensives in its region, so by specifying positions that are open to state/comp schools only, it is in fact increasing the chance that a person from Stowe would have do do far better than a state school child in order to secure a place.

This is effectively punishing children for the decisions made by their well-off parents, and is nothing but classism.
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Indeed but should it be surprising that other people fight for the best pupils to attend Oxford and not just the richest?
Absolutely and I'm not defending the guy, just pointing out that what he says should be taken with a massive pinch of salt.
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The world has worse problems to sort out the Uk is a pretty good place to live and dose alright on meritocracy, nowhere is perfect.
Amen. It's great over here. I'd never go back to Ireland, everything feels like a closed shop.
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The US system is even worse with the way it selects pupils. Such a corrupt and exclusionary model.
Their SAT's are a reasonable approach? also the US maybe entering a peak in terms of collage attendance, its beginning to be seen as a joke and an expensive one.
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If you look at the figures, you may find that the media could be be hoist by its own petard. Stowe school doesn't really do as well in A levels for AAB% as state/comprehensives in its region, so by specifying positions that are open to state/comp schools only, it is in fact increasing the chance that a person from Stowe would have do do far better than a state school child in order to secure a place.

This is effectively punishing children for the decisions made by their well-off parents, and is nothing but classism.
But unfortunately the studies show that private school students do worse when they get to university. You're saying that universities shouldn't seek the best students and minimise the under performers?
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