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New social housing Johnstown court

  • 22-09-2020 10:35pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭


    Hi, I have come across the report regarding social housing and it looks like there are 51 units allocated in Johnstown court, Cabinteely. Seems like a new block that is currently being built will go all for social. Managed by cluid homes
    I am in the process of buying nearby and I’m quite worried about this. Does anyone know anything else?

    https://rebuildingireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Construction-Status-Report-Q4-2019-1.pdf

    Page 34 of the report


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Speak to Cluid and ask what their policy is regarding possible anti social behaviour, but that can happen in private residences too.

    I think all residents for Cluid have to be vetted and are under rules and regs. But who knows?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Hi, I have come across the report regarding social housing and it looks like there are 51 units allocated in Johnstown court, Cabinteely. Seems like a new block that is currently being built will go all for social. Managed by cluid homes
    I am in the process of buying nearby and I’m quite worried about this. Does anyone know anything else?

    https://rebuildingireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Construction-Status-Report-Q4-2019-1.pdf

    Page 34 of the report

    Cabinteely is not cheap. You are taking a risk. You are better off aiming for an area that is unlikely to be developed or redeveloped. Absolute minefield out there.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I am in the process of buying nearby and I’m quite worried about this. Does anyone know anything

    What are you worried about?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    My instinct would be 'run away and don't look back'. But the bloody things are everywhere these days (except right by the super rich). What's a man to do?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What are you worried about?
    Probably the possible horses, scramblers, noisy neighbours, drug dealers, travellers etc.


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KungPao wrote: »
    Probably the possible horses, scramblers, noisy neighbours, drug dealers, travellers etc.

    ?
    You will have to explain?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    bubblypop wrote: »
    ?
    You will have to explain?
    Social housing often means...horses, scramblers, noisy neighbours, drug dealers, travellers etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What are you worried about?

    The answer is in title of the OP.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KungPao wrote: »
    Social housing often means...horses, scramblers, noisy neighbours, drug dealers, travellers etc.

    Does it?
    How often?


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kravmaga wrote: »
    The answer is in title of the OP.

    Don't see anything to be worried about in the title?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Blame mc Verry and the homeless charities now. They just want more money from us, but don't seem to care if there are any implications from less than neighbourly people around who are provided these homes from our taxes.

    I know they are not ALL like that, but a good majority are sadly and there do not seem to be any sanctions whatsoever for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Don't see anything to be worried about in the title?

    Yes, I’m worried about anti social behavior


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    Speak to Cluid and ask what their policy is regarding possible anti social behaviour, but that can happen in private residences too.

    I think all residents for Cluid have to be vetted and are under rules and regs. But who knows?

    I’m calling them tomorrow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Does it?
    How often?

    Would you live near a social housing development yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Don't see anything to be worried about in the title?

    I do....:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Reality is that even in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, you're rarely more than a stone's throw away from people you might not want to live near.

    Housing associations tend to have stricter rules on anti social behaviour than local authorities so it's not the end of the world.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes, I’m worried about anti social behavior

    Don't be
    You can't choose your neighbours OP, no matter where you live


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Would you live near a social housing development yourself?

    Yep.
    No problem


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Does it?
    How often?
    Are taking this personally, or just being awkward? If you live in a social housing area I'm sure you're an upstanding citizen and a credit to the area, but social estates are usually dragged down and ruined by the local hoodlums and layabouts. We all know this. And if you are paying 300k+ for your house, one wants to make sure they don't end up living on Benefits Street.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KungPao wrote: »
    Are taking this personally, or just being awkward? If you live in a social housing area I'm sure you're an upstanding citizen and a credit to the area, but social estates are usually dragged down and ruined by the local hoodlums and layabouts. We all know this. And if you are paying 300k+ for your house, one wants to make sure they don't end up living on Benefits Street.

    No, we don't all know this.
    Considering the thousands of people in Dublin alone that live in social housing or private houses paid by HAP, it's amazing that Dublin is as peaceful as it is! If we believe what you seem to!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Yep.
    No problem

    I doubt it if you are paying for your house with your own means. Well to be fair I'd be the same.

    But if you are not paying for it yourself that's fine, otherwise use due diligence and don't be so naive these days. But maybe you think it's fine to get a humungous mortgage and live next to scrotes who pay 1/30th of your monthly mortgage in order to drive the location down.

    Fine. Doesn't sound too forward thinking to me. But whatever.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Social housing is fine OP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Social housing is fine OP.
    It's grand when you pay shag all to the council, in fairness.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I doubt it if you are paying for your house with your own means. Well to be fair I'd be the same.
    .

    You doubt I'm paying for my own home?I
    How very up your own hole of you!
    Check all my posts if you want. I pay my way in my life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,031 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The housing associations and councils are buying up private houses all over the place, you've no idea who your next door neighbour is going to be regardless of where you buy or live. The development at RTE has social housing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    One of my concerns is that there’s another block by the same developer that is going to be built right in front on this one, probably going for social too. That’s more than 100 units in two blocks one in front of another. I’m all in for social housing, but I don’t believe in building whole blocks for it, as it leads to the formation of guettos


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Free gaffs.

    Foreva homes.

    10,000 homeless.

    This country is heading one way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    One of my concerns is that there’s another block by the same developer that is going to be built right in front on this one, probably going for social too. That’s more than 100 units in two blocks one in front of another. I’m all in for social housing, but I don’t believe in building whole blocks for it, as it leads to the formation of guettos
    Not worth the risk, by the sounds of it. Move to an established private area. You may miss out on fancy heat pumps and all that stuff, but better chance of it being a settled place with less chance of hassle, and your property holding its value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    We will try to investigate more tomorrow. It’s not next door to where we are planning to buy, but a 5-10 minute walk away


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    The Johnstown side of the area and the other side of Kilbogget towards Ballybrack (for all that they liked to call it 'Killiney' :pac:) was always (probably unfairly) seen as a bit rougher than the areas nearer the village and up Brennanstown way. Doesn't and never did matter a damn.

    When I was a kid, there was a halting/Traveller cottages site off the N11 near to Shrewsbury Lawn, and I don't believe there were problems. There were also settled Travellers in around Woodlands. And I think Churchview used to be social. I wouldn't worry about it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Free gaffs.

    Foreva homes.

    10,000 homeless.

    This country is heading one way.

    Factcheck: There isn't one single free "gaff" in Ireland. Everybody pay rent to the county council.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Factcheck: There isn't one single free "gaff" in Ireland. Everybody pay rent to the county council.

    So if you're not working and in receipt of social welfare and living in a council house, what are you contributing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    Caranica wrote: »
    Reality is that even in Dun Laoghaire Rathdown, you're rarely more than a stone's throw away from people you might not want to live near.

    Housing associations tend to have stricter rules on anti social behaviour than local authorities so it's not the end of the world.

    I don't know anything as to how Cluid etc conduct their business - but in reality, what powers do these housing associations have to deal with anti-social tenants (are they tenants or do they have a stake in the property?)
    Seeing as its a mountain of a task to get rid of a tenant, particularly in the Covid-era, what can these associations do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Diceicle


    Factcheck: There isn't one single free "gaff" in Ireland. Everybody pay rent to the county council.

    Except for all those given social housing who then dont pay the rent hence why councils are owed somewhere in the region of €65,000,000 in rent arrears - and people wonder why councils dont want to build social housing....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    Factcheck: There isn't one single free "gaff" in Ireland. Everybody pay rent to the county council.

    Eh, factcheck: yes there is.

    If you're on social welfare, that's money you are getting for free. You are not working to receive that money.

    You then pay 15 percent of this money every week that you have gotten for free from the government, towards a house which is provided by a local authority (local government ie the government).

    Ergo - Free house.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    The housing agencies are buying up property left right and center, or entering into 25 year long leases. The guidelines state that all new developments must meet the part V criteria which is 10% allocated to social housing.
    Anything the housing agencies buy can be 100% social housing and there is feck all anyone can do about it. The local authorities attitude is it gets people off the housing lists. They claim to vet the tenants, they claim to have strict policies regarding these tenants but how true this is I dont know.

    They are popping up all over the place. Personally I wouldnt buy next to a social development.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Factcheck: There isn't one single free "gaff" in Ireland. Everybody pay rent to the county council.

    Factcheck.

    DCC is owed 40 million in rent arrears form social housing.

    You're fact is debunked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cluid do a pretty decent job of management of social housing ,I've seen them evict people for having dogs and arrears ,they tend not to put up with messing one thing they do is limit the number of children in estates they own ,
    They mix their housing between , families , older people and single people .
    And are very strict about pets no dogs or cats allowed in cluid properties they have been known to evict on breaches of tenancy agreements


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I wouldn't want to buy next door to a bunch of social houses either OP.
    I live close to Ballybrack near there and it's amazing the difference walking from a mostly social housing area to a mostly private housing one, it is like night and day.
    One area will have graffiti and litter everywhere, the green areas will have burnt out husks of trees previously set on fire, scorched paths from previous stuff set alight on them, abandoned Tesco shopping trolleys in the stream, houses which clearly haven't had a lick of paint or maintenance since the day they were built, the list goes on - the council does everything or nothing gets done.

    Turn a corner into a private estate and none or little of this is present.

    Have a look at the Ballybrack end of Kilbogget park versus the other end with the rusty fish sculpture in Cabinteely to see what I mean. Some scrotes ripped up all the new trees planted at the newly revamped Ballybrack entrance one night just for kicks for example recently, there's a lot more happening that end throughout the year as anyone that goes though it regularly will tell you that simply is non-existent at the other (primarily private housing) end.
    The sad truth is though that unless you can afford the likes of Foxrock, Dalkey or a house in the countryside , there is always going to be areas like this around Dublin. A 5-10 minute walk away from it is probably as good as it will get in most parts of Dublin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Gatling wrote: »
    Cluid do a pretty decent job of management of social housing ,I've seen them evict people for having dogs and arrears ,they tend not to put up with messing one thing they do is limit the number of children in estates they own ,
    They mix their housing between , families , older people and single people .
    And are very strict about pets no dogs or cats allowed in cluid properties they have been known to evict on breaches of tenancy agreements

    I would say the exact opposite - our dealings with cluid have shown that they are toothless to tackle anti-social behaviour - burglaries, car thefts, house parties etc all traced back to 1 cluid owned home.
    Multiple gardai complaints, hundreds of phone calls and emails - they basically fobbed everyone off.

    They have their own disciplinary procedures for tenants in which they get several chances - regardless of how serious the offence is. After all these chances have expired, they *may* initiate eviction proceedings - although they admit in this case they fully expect to go to RTB and then on to court which would take months/years to resolve.

    The only way anti-social tenants ended up leaving is that Cluid offered them a place elsewhere - so that they (cluid) didn't have to deal with 50+ residents of estate complaining to them daily.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    timmyntc wrote: »
    I would say the exact opposite - our dealings with cluid have shown that they are toothless to tackle anti-social behaviour - burglaries, car thefts, house parties etc all traced back to 1 cluid owned home.
    Multiple gardai complaints, hundreds of phone calls and emails - they basically fobbed everyone off.

    They have their own disciplinary procedures for tenants in which they get several chances - regardless of how serious the offence is. After all these chances have expired, they *may* initiate eviction proceedings - although they admit in this case they fully expect to go to RTB and then on to court which would take months/years to resolve.

    The only way anti-social tenants ended up leaving is that Cluid offered them a place elsewhere - so that they (cluid) didn't have to deal with 50+ residents of estate complaining to them daily.

    Great little country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    Gatling wrote: »
    Cluid do a pretty decent job of management of social housing ,I've seen them evict people for having dogs and arrears ,they tend not to put up with messing one thing they do is limit the number of children in estates they own ,
    They mix their housing between , families , older people and single people .
    And are very strict about pets no dogs or cats allowed in cluid properties they have been known to evict on breaches of tenancy agreements

    Could I ask you if you know of these things first hand? I wouldn’t mind social housing if the effort to combat anti social behavior is there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Could I ask you if you know of these things first hand? I wouldn’t mind social housing if the effort to combat anti social behavior is there

    All the effort in the world can be there but it's very, very difficult to evict. That said 5 - 10 minutes walk away can make all the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,434 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    KungPao wrote: »
    Probably the possible horses, scramblers, noisy neighbours, drug dealers, travellers etc.

    Do you find many of these things around Beacon South Quarter?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20162417.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭cubatahavana


    I think we have made up our mind and are going to continue with the purchase. They are mostly 1 bed apartments, so not too many kids involved, and as I said, they are not next door or anything like it. They’re a little bit far away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭C3PO


    I have lived nearby, in Shankill, for 20 years OP and have plenty of social housing within 5-10 minutes walk of my home. While there is undoubtedly some anti-social behaviour in those areas we have never had a problem!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭Mumm_ra


    As a previous poster said buy in a settled area. No way I would buy a new build with the uncertainty the council is promoting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Mumm_ra wrote: »
    As a previous poster said buy in a settled area. No way I would buy a new build with the uncertainty the council is promoting.

    I think you are dead right.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    Mumm_ra wrote: »
    As a previous poster said buy in a settled area. No way I would buy a new build with the uncertainty the council is promoting.

    The funny thing is if you do choose to buy in a settled area to avoid potential dodgy council tenants in new build estates, you’ll likely end up with a gas boiler (not heat pump), no solar panels, and lower insulation standards.

    While the social tenants in the new builds will have all the bells and whistles.

    Then you have to spend a fortune retrofitting your older safer bet property. And of course if someone on social welfare has an older house, they can apply for free upgrades.

    Mad country all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    KungPao wrote: »
    The funny thing is if you do choose to buy in a settled area to avoid potential dodgy council tenants in new build estates, you’ll likely end up with a gas boiler (not heat pump), no solar panels, and lower insulation standards.

    While the social tenants in the new builds will have all the bells and whistles.

    Then you have to spend a fortune retrofitting your older safer bet property. And of course if someone on social welfare has an older house, they can apply for free upgrades.

    Mad country all the same.

    That's the situation we found ourselves, our area is nice and civilised and we have a garden and a safe environment for us and the kids here, but nearby in Ballybrack it's not great to be honest, I wouldn't like to live there, some of the council houses are very run down and the street outside is covered in litter and broken glass, depressing. You give people something for free, they don't put any value on it and as a result dont look after it.

    We got double glazing in, fitted a gas combi boiler (awesome - instant hot water) and as a result we got rid of the immersion and put a shower in place of the hotpress where it lived in the bathroom. Wouldn't change it, new builds are great and all, but these days you just don't know who you are going to end up beside.

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