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ozmo · 24-09-2020 5:17pm

ZiabR wrote: »

EDIT - Microsoft have just confirmed the price of the expansion cards is €250. Pre-Orders starting soon. I'm not going to bother with one for now, maybe in a few months.

Seems Seagate have one for $220 - so if Seagate can make them then its not locked down to only Microsoft branded ones and we might have a few more companies making them at lower prices at a later stage.
Hopefully 1T stretches further now they don't have to do that many duplicated assets thing they need to with current gen.

https://uk.pcmag.com/controllers-accessories/128765/seagates-xbox-storage-expansion-cards-really-do-cost-220

sniper_samurai · 24-09-2020 5:33pm

ozmo wrote: »

Seems Seagate have one for $220 - so if Seagate can make them then its not locked down to only Microsoft branded ones and we might have a few more companies making them at lower prices at a later stage.
Hopefully 1T stretches further now they don't have to do that many duplicated assets thing they need to with current gen.

https://uk.pcmag.com/controllers-accessories/128765/seagates-xbox-storage-expansion-cards-really-do-cost-220

Seagate are the one's making them and are in control of pricing. They're the exact same.

Seagate converted 1:1 from dollar to pound instead of the now usual dollar to euro conversion.

24-09-2020 5:56pm

djan wrote: »

Currently have a One S and with games struggling to run at decent resolution/fps and looking to upgrade. How would the 1tb One X second hand compare to getting the Series S? Price wise the X would come in cheaper and with double the storage (albeit much slower) . Will the alleged performance gain of the new S be significant enough to offset the lower storage coupled with a higher price?

Amazon were selling refurb One X for around €200 a few days ago.

At that price I would buy it over the Series S.

I wouldn't buy either in reality, i'd buy the Series X right now. But if you twisted my arm to spend only 200-300, i'd get the One X for €200, get your fun out of it, keep saving and eventually upgrade to a Series X.

My logic is that in the short term (next 6-12 months) the Gamepass library is still going to be mostly current-gen. You'll get a lot of fun out of a One X, games will run great, at €200 it's done most of it's depreciation (in the short term).

drunkmonkey · 24-09-2020 6:03pm

sniper_samurai wrote: »

Seagate are the one's making them and are in control of pricing. They're the exact same.

Seagate converted 1:1 from dollar to pound instead of the now usual dollar to euro conversion.

Is there a usb port you can just plug in your own storage like the one x..

sniper_samurai · 24-09-2020 6:05pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is there a usb port you can just plug in your own storage like the one x..

Yes. You can store any game on a usb hdd, you can also play any game playable on the One from it. You won't be able to play Series S|X games from a usb hdd though.

McDermotX · 24-09-2020 6:11pm

250 blips for the Seagate Expansion Card on MS

https://www.microsoft.com/en-ie/p/seagate-storage-expansion-card-for-xbox-series-x-s/940j83pk147r/4lm4

murpho999 · 24-09-2020 6:18pm

A storage card for around half the price of the console. Forget it.

If I run out of space I'll just keep active games on SSD drive and library on external hard drive of just delete. As I can always download them as required.
So just a little bif of management and I'll be fine.

I'm sure in future there'll be other expansion cards available from other manufacturers and more sizes. So I'll wait for that.

marcbrophy · 24-09-2020 6:23pm

Look, the way it works is, these drives read at such a quick speed that there's no need for duplication of assets across the install directory.

These 70Gig games current gen, will suddenly be 25 or 30 Gig next gen.

Be careful about the allure of buying extra storage, until you see how quickly you get through the inbuilt storage first

Of course there's always people like me who have 8TB extra storage hooked up to my 1X

Homelander · 24-09-2020 6:35pm

I don't think the One X vs Series S is that simple either, the Series S will run the base games with other enhancements, just not at native 4K.

Because the CPU in it is so radically better than the One X, there are probably quite a good few games will run at way better framerates on the Series S.

Personally I would prefer the Series S for that reason (and it's a next gen console to boot), others may not care.

scottigael · 24-09-2020 6:46pm

Series S will run everything the series X can, just at a lower resolution 1440p and less graphical fidelity id definitely get it over the One X as a game pass machine

fifth · 24-09-2020 7:04pm

Just preordered the expansion card. I think it's going to be great to have a super fast storage device like that, pricey yes, but I want to enjoy games on the best console out there, so I'm going all in.

djan · 24-09-2020 7:25pm

scottigael wrote: »

Series S will run everything the series X can, just at a lower resolution 1440p and less graphical fidelity id definitely get it over the One X as a game pass machine

That's what I was thinking but as another posterentioned the One X enhanced games won't run on it so this gen games will run same as One S, which is pretty bad..

Vyse Remastered · 24-09-2020 7:32pm

murpho999 wrote: »

A storage card for around half the price of the console. Forget it.

If I run out of space I'll just keep active games on SSD drive and library on external hard drive of just delete. As I can always download them as required.
So just a little bif of management and I'll be fine.

I'm sure in future there'll be other expansion cards available from other manufacturers and more sizes. So I'll wait for that.

I would be of the same mind. There's only a handful of games I actively play. It might be something I invest in in the future but certainly not to begin with.

Homelander · 24-09-2020 7:33pm

djan wrote: »

That's what I was thinking but as another posterentioned the One X enhanced games won't run on it so this gen games will run same as One S, which is pretty bad..

No, they won't. The console will be able to add all sorts of enhancements, it just won't be 4K.

It will still look better than the One S and the framerate will be miles better.

djan · 24-09-2020 7:42pm

Homelander wrote: »

No, they won't. The console will be able to add all sorts of enhancements, it just won't be 4K.

It will still look better than the One S and the framerate will be miles better.

Ah OK, as long as it can play at min 1080p at 60fps I'm happy out

Tipsy McSwagger · 24-09-2020 8:03pm

So it definitely looks like Doom Eternal is coming to Game Pass Oct 1. I held off on buying it as I wanted it on the Series X, delighted now I don’t have to buy it.

ZiabR · 24-09-2020 8:15pm

Homelander wrote: »

No, they won't. The console will be able to add all sorts of enhancements, it just won't be 4K.

It will still look better than the One S and the framerate will be miles better.

Be careful there, you are not correct. Series S/X wont be able to add all sorts of enhancements to titles that have not and will not be optimised to make use of the velocity architecture. I have mentioned why in a previous post.

ZiabR · 24-09-2020 8:21pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is there a usb port you can just plug in your own storage like the one x..

Yes, 3 USB ports and yes you can just plug your HDD in from your One X.

Homelander · 24-09-2020 8:46pm

ZiabR wrote: »

Be careful there, you are not correct. Series S/X wont be able to add all sorts of enhancements to titles that have not and will not be optimised to make use of the velocity architecture. I have mentioned why in a previous post.

No, you are mixing up "Enhanced for Xbox One X" specifically, with general improvements.

The Series S will run Xbox One games better than the One S. It is not true to say that games on the Series S will be the same as the One S.

Take for example Apex Legends. On One S, this runs at 720-1080P dynamic with 30-60fps.

One Series S this will be solid 1080P 60fps locked.

Xbox Series S brings its additional horsepower to bear in improving the experience of Xbox One S titles instead. This is more limiting in some respects (a game hard-coded to run at 900p will not run any higher on Series S, for example) but the new console benefits from increased resolutions in games that use dynamic resolution scaling, as well as improvements to texture filtering quality.

Obviously, running games from solid state storage reduces loading times significantly, while the Auto HDR feature we've seen running on Series X also features on Series S - all games should present nicely on HDR screens, whether they natively support high dynamic range or not.

It's a feature I personally can't wait to test. Finally, it goes without saying that CPU-limited titles should also deliver more stable performance at target frame-rates.

However, there is one more feature that Microsoft has only mentioned in passing - and now we know more details, we're excited by it: the idea that select Xbox One titles will run at double the frame-rate on the new consoles, including Series S.

"We designed the Series S to enhance the Xbox One S games in a way that the Xbox One X can't do," system architect Andrew Goossen tells us. "We made it easy for existing Xbox One S games to be updated to run with double the frame-rate when played on Series S as well. When games are updated, existing games can query to determine whether they're running on the new console. And in terms of the performance, the Series S provides well over double the effective CPU and GPU performance over the Xbox One, making it pretty straightforward for the games to do this. And in fact, the Series S GPU runs the Xbox One S games with better performance than the Xbox One X."

Homelander · 24-09-2020 9:08pm

Unless your argument is that developers will ignore that ability, but for the AAA games of course they will update them to take advantage of the Series S.

NeitherJohn · 24-09-2020 9:13pm

Don't forget the automatically added HDR.

Hurrache · 24-09-2020 9:24pm

ZiabR wrote: »

Be careful there, you are not correct. Series S/X wont be able to add all sorts of enhancements to titles that have not and will not be optimised to make use of the velocity architecture. I have mentioned why in a previous post.

It can add HDR as far back as original Xbox titles, and HDR makes a great difference.

Edit, beaten to it.

wes · 24-09-2020 11:12pm

marcbrophy wrote: »

Look, the way it works is, these drives read at such a quick speed that there's no need for duplication of assets across the install directory.

These 70Gig games current gen, will suddenly be 25 or 30 Gig next gen.

Be careful about the allure of buying extra storage, until you see how quickly you get through the inbuilt storage first

Of course there's always people like me who have 8TB extra storage hooked up to my 1X

The install size of Demon Souls is like 60 GB:
https://www.millenium.gg/news/20291.html

Also the Spidey games as well are pretty big. The smaller size thing doesn't appear to be the case

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Varik · 24-09-2020 11:40pm

wes wrote: »

The install size of Demon Souls is like 60 GB:
https://www.millenium.gg/news/20291.html

Also the Spidey games as well are pretty big. The smaller size thing doesn't appear to be the case .

The games for the new consoles will also have much larger rez textures, and probably a bit more variety when they can get them so quickly off the SSDs without having to reuse one with a different shader effect.

Not to mention the audio, the PS3 blu ray disc compared to the 360 DVDs were mostly filled with uncompressed audio, and now this gen both consoles are taking audio seriously again.

ZiabR · 25-09-2020 8:38am

Homelander wrote: »

Unless your argument is that developers will ignore that ability, but for the AAA games of course they will update them to take advantage of the Series S.

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying in my previous post. I don't see all AAA developers going back to 2-4 year old games to update them to make use of velocity.

Of course, some of the games that are still current and making large amounts of money will be updated/patched but we don't have any indications as to what studios will spend the money and time to go back over games to optimise them for the Series S/X.

25-09-2020 8:44am

By default Series S runs current-gen games in One S 'profile'. Which for many games means locked 30fps and 900p.

Games which struggle to hit 30fps on One S will be a solid 30 on Series S. Games with dynamic resolution will not drop the res as much - however this dynamic res is often capped at 900p.

It has the oomph to run games much better if they are given a Series S specific patch/profile. Not a lot of work is required. Presumably many games will receive this patch. However judgement should be reserved until devs actually announce what will/won't be patched, and what kind of timeline. I would expect every major first party title to get a patch.

25-09-2020 8:48am

ZiabR wrote: »

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying in my previous post. I don't see all AAA developers going back to 2-4 year old games to update them to make use of velocity.

Of course, some of the games that are still current and making large amounts of money will be updated/patched but we don't have any indications as to what studios will spend the money and time to go back over games to optimise them for the Series S/X.

Well we know Bethesda etc will :-)
I'd imagine there will be some sort of incentive for 3rd parties to optimize games when bringing them to game pass.

Fingleberries · 25-09-2020 9:14am

ZiabR wrote: »

Yes, this is exactly what I was saying in my previous post. I don't see all AAA developers going back to 2-4 year old games to update them to make use of velocity.

Of course, some of the games that are still current and making large amounts of money will be updated/patched but we don't have any indications as to what studios will spend the money and time to go back over games to optimise them for the Series S/X.

Also, Microsoft may be able to update the game profile in the emulator on behalf of a title, with no input needed from the developer.

Jason Roland on Digital Foundry wrote:

"In some cases, for more service-based games or games that are still have active communities, it'll actually be easier for the developer to do it," says Xbox director of program management, Jason Ronald. "And then in other cases, we may be able to do things at our level, on behalf of the title, similar to how we've done it in the past. These are all things that we're actively working through as we get closer to launch and we'll have more to share about specific enhancements in specific titles closer to launch."

Microsoft interview with Digital Foundry

MrStuffins · 25-09-2020 11:25am

Basil3 wrote: »

I have very little sympathy for people that are stupid enough to confuse One X with Series X. If you're spending that kind of money, surely you do at least a tiny bit of research.

This is extremely harsh. A lot of the time it's some kids ignorant ma who is making the order. Not everyone's ma is as savvy as you'd like them to be. Confusing "One X" with "Series X" is very understandable and is not the fault of the mammy, it's Microsoft being idiots!

Here's an example:

Back a few years ago, my ma wanted to watch the Oscar-winning, Steven Spielberg movie "Lincoln". I had a media player that I attached to my mother's TV and I had hundreds of movies on there. I added Lincoln, showed her how to use it briefly and went out.

When I came back, I asked her what she thought of the movie. She wasn't very impressed! She was confused as the lead actor looked nothing like Daniel Day Lewis and really questioned the historical accuracy of the movie.

Having not watched it yet, I asked "What part in particular?"

Her reply: "Well......... what was with the vampires?"

She had, of course, watched Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter!

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 25-09-2020 11:25am

Auto-HDR is done at Microsoft's level...

“In partnership with the Xbox Advanced Technology Group, Xbox Series X delivers a new, innovative HDR reconstruction technique which enables the platform to automatically add HDR support to games,” explains Jason Ronald, a partner director of program management for the Xbox platform team. “As this technique is handled by the platform itself, it allows us to enable HDR with zero impact to the game’s performance and we can also apply it to Xbox 360 and original Xbox titles developed almost 20 years ago, well before the existence of HDR.”

In fact, frame unlocks seem to be done at Microsoft's level and not the developer...

"Microsoft is also planning to improve and preserve some older games that run on the Xbox Series X by upping framerates. “The compatibility team has invented brand new techniques that enable even more titles to run at higher resolutions and image quality while still respecting the artistic intent and vision of the original creators,” says Ronald. “We are also creating whole new classes of innovations including the ability to double the frame rate of a select set of titles from 30fps to 60fps or 60fps to 120fps.”

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/28/21272937/microsoft-xbox-series-x-automatic-hdr-support-framerates

25-09-2020 12:21pm

I notice that if you get a good exchange rate, the Series S is only about €275 on Amazon

I wouldn't go for it myself and I tend to agree with the comments above regarding false economy etc. But nevertheless, 275 for a new console on launch day makes it very accessible for casual gamers.

Fingleberries · 25-09-2020 12:39pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is extremely harsh. A lot of the time it's some kids ignorant ma who is making the order. Not everyone's ma is as savvy as you'd like them to be. Confusing "One X" with "Series X" is very understandable and is not the fault of the mammy, it's Microsoft being idiots!

Here's an example:

Back a few years ago, my ma wanted to watch the Oscar-winning, Steven Spielberg movie "Lincoln". I had a media player that I attached to my mother's TV and I had hundreds of movies on there. I added Lincoln, showed her how to use it briefly and went out.

When I came back, I asked her what she thought of the movie. She wasn't very impressed! She was confused as the lead actor looked nothing like Daniel Day Lewis and really questioned the historical accuracy of the movie.

Having not watched it yet, I asked "What part in particular?"

Her reply: "Well......... what was with the vampires?"

She had, of course, watched Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter!

There's some talk on Reddit that the reason for an increase in orders for Xbox One X on Amazon.com was because some scalpers had not correctly configured their bots, and the Amazon page for the Series X didn't go live at exactly 9:00 PST so the badly configured bots went and ordered the One X.

In these cases, there's should be a full 'no take back' policy from Amazon. If you used a bot and couldn't configure it correctly, then the orders are on you.

25-09-2020 12:44pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is extremely harsh. A lot of the time it's some kids ignorant ma who is making the order. Not everyone's ma is as savvy as you'd like them to be. Confusing "One X" with "Series X" is very understandable and is not the fault of the mammy, it's Microsoft being idiots!

Here's an example:

Back a few years ago, my ma wanted to watch the Oscar-winning, Steven Spielberg movie "Lincoln". I had a media player that I attached to my mother's TV and I had hundreds of movies on there. I added Lincoln, showed her how to use it briefly and went out.

When I came back, I asked her what she thought of the movie. She wasn't very impressed! She was confused as the lead actor looked nothing like Daniel Day Lewis and really questioned the historical accuracy of the movie.

Having not watched it yet, I asked "What part in particular?"

Her reply: "Well......... what was with the vampires?"

She had, of course, watched Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter!

Would she be as easily confused if she had to pay €500 to watch the movie?

I understand there's eejits everywhere....but somewhere you have to draw the line.

MrStuffins · 25-09-2020 1:10pm

Basil3 wrote: »

Would she be as easily confused if she had to pay €500 to watch the movie?

If she would watch Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter over Lincoln, then you can see that she might make the same mistake between something called "Xbox One X" and "Xbox Series X".

You fail to take into consideration that the people making these purchases don't live in the world that you do (and are obviously the smartest person in).

In a normal case, if it was a birthday present, their child could pretty much go to the shop with them and pick it up. But when they're trying to play Santa, and they have to mention very little to the kid, it doesn't help that both consoles are almost identically named.

25-09-2020 1:17pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

If she would watch Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter over Lincoln, then you can see that she might make the same mistake between something called "Xbox One X" and "Xbox Series X".

You fail to take into consideration that the people making these purchases don't live in the world that you do (and are obviously the smartest person in).

In a normal case, if it was a birthday present, their child could pretty much go to the shop with them and pick it up. But when they're trying to play Santa, and they have to mention very little to the kid, it doesn't help that both consoles are almost identically named.

I know what you're saying, but you mother confusing a movie isn't even close to her going out and spending €500 on the wrong thing for you at Xmas time.

It really comes down to how much the parents take an interest in their kids, imo. If it's something your kid really really wants, and it's going to cost a tonne of money, and you still manage to mess it up despite probably having multiple people in your life that can help you ensure you're getting the right thing, then I don't know.

Now I just need to wait for Xmas morning when one of my kids tells me I got them the wrong thing :pac:

Birneybau · 25-09-2020 2:09pm

Currys/PC World took a fiver from me as a deposit yesterday, still haven't received an email.

Not the end of the World, I don't NEED a series X first day but I wouldn't MIND one.

Fuzzy Logic · 25-09-2020 2:53pm

Birneybau wrote: »

Currys/PC World took a fiver from me as a deposit yesterday, still haven't received an email.

Not the end of the World, I don't NEED a series X first day but I wouldn't MIND one.

They said they’re in the process of emailing them out

RGARDINR · 25-09-2020 11:48pm

I see in smyths you can still pre order series s. Is it that Microsoft could and did gets tons more of these made as per their size and so more in stock when released or is no one going for this version as such and the demand isn't there at moment? I am sure will sell out closer to Xmas etc. But I would of thought they would of sold out pretty sharpish.

25-09-2020 11:58pm

I was humming about what to buy. I barely use the ps4 I had and I sold it last week so I decided to buy a series S

I'm not a hard core gamer at all, really all I do is play FIFA so I'm think I got a good deal trading a base ps4 and buying a series s for 100 euro.

What you guys think?
Sold the ps4 last week for 200 and just bought a series s for 300. I think that's a smart move right? I assume the s is way better than a big standard ps4..

For the bare amount I will use it an X was way overkill , was thinking about a ps4 digital and then was thinking for the amount it gets used no point

rob808 · 26-09-2020 12:00am

Calliope Most Vent wrote: »

I was humming about what to buy. I barely use the ps4 I had and I sold it last week so I decided to buy a series S

I'm not a hard core gamer at all, really all I do is play FIFA so I'm think I got a good deal trading a base ps4 and buying a series s for 100 euro.

What you guys think?

yea the series s a good console for causal gamers.

Doyler99 · 26-09-2020 9:07am

Birneybau wrote: »

Currys/PC World took a fiver from me as a deposit yesterday, still haven't received an email.

Not the end of the World, I don't NEED a series X first day but I wouldn't MIND one.

I'm in the same boat. Thought I put in the wrong email....:rolleyes:

sniper_samurai · 26-09-2020 12:16pm

Bought the Control UE earlier in the week and it seems that it may be possible to download the Series S|X version to an external using an Xbox One.

This may be useful come launch now that you can download any Xbox game, even without having a licence.

Nicetrustedcup · 26-09-2020 12:34pm

Just in GameStop today confirmed that my pre order is all ok the one I placed last month,

Traded in my one x and 3 games and with the GameStop lv2 trade in bonus got 312 euros for everything how bad, with the 50 euro deposit means I have 138 euros to pay on day 1 delighted

Still no clue what games I am going to get day one ? I think just ass creed

Have no Xbox for a few weeks but have my switch to keep me going

CatInABox · 26-09-2020 4:42pm

Someone took the X and S down to Ikea. Looks like the X fits into most of them comfortably enough, even the Kallax one.

See here.

CatInABox · 26-09-2020 4:54pm

Mr.S wrote: »

The X looks really odd on it's side though. They really are massive.

All my games are digital though, so it will be behind the tv out of sight.

Yeah, glad I have the space to have it vertical beside my TV, I really like the look when it's vertical.

Jordan 199 · 26-09-2020 6:14pm

I like the green fan on the console.

bazzz · 26-09-2020 6:30pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I like the green fan on the console.

It's actually just green colouring, on the circular vents. But still nice.

RGARDINR · 26-09-2020 10:35pm

Nicetrustedcup wrote: »

Just in GameStop today confirmed that my pre order is all ok the one I placed last month,

Traded in my one x and 3 games and with the GameStop lv2 trade in bonus got 312 euros for everything how bad, with the 50 euro deposit means I have 138 euros to pay on day 1 delighted

Still no clue what games I am going to get day one ? I think just ass creed

Have no Xbox for a few weeks but have my switch to keep me going

Went in on Tuesday and traded in xbox x etc and paid it then, by any chance did they say in there looks like most people OK in regards to getting one on day 1 or when people will be informed if they will get one etc.?

Mr Crispy · 26-09-2020 11:03pm

I'd love to know how many units they made available for pre-order in Japan. They "sold" out in 20 minutes, but that means nothing if they only had a few hundred consoles!

wotzgoingon · 26-09-2020 11:11pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

I'd love to know how many units they made available for pre-order in Japan. They "sold" out in 20 minutes, but that means nothing if they only had a few hundred consoles!

That's still a good feat considering how poorly the Xbox(all generations) has sold over there over the years.

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