General British politics discussion thread

lawred2 · 20-11-2020 10:22pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Apparently even some Conservative MPs are disgusted by the affair. They know full well that what Patel did was a sackable offence and that she should have been fired on the spot.

I've kinda been checked out of all this stuff recently... But what did that odious Patel do now?

Enzokk · 20-11-2020 10:40pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I've kinda been checked out of all this stuff recently... But what did that odious Patel do now?

Found to have bullied civil servants but Johnson says he thinks she did it inadvertently so he hasn't sacked her. This despite the top civil servant at the Home Office during her time there confirming that this was not inadvertent and that he warned her within her first month to stop shouting and swearing at staff.

https://twitter.com/alantravis40/status/1329853377094840331?s=20

He is taking them to tribunal as he feels he was constructively dismissed due to her actions. The joke is this has been leaked during anti-bullying week and the person that wrote the report for the PM quit in the aftermath as the PM didn't sack her for breaking ministerial code.

Patel had this to say about bullying in 2019 as well.

https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1110846084098768897?s=20

Capt'n Midnight · 21-11-2020 3:07pm

Busy week for Labour.

Doing their damnedest to keep any bad news about the Tories getting into the headlines. One is reminded that an anagram of Tony Blair MP is I'm Tory Plan B. This time it's the guy who didn't protect his voters from economic chaos is being let back in.

In case you missed it JRM is restricting remote access to parliament these days.
MPs with cancer 'excluded' from cancer debate

Currently, MPs who cannot be in Westminster due to coronavirus are only able to take part in some events.

They can put questions to ministers by video link, but are not able to contribute to general debates on legislation or events in Westminster Hall - a separate chamber from the House of Commons.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/jacob-rees-mogg-virtual-parliament-6353496

on the day that the prime minister was forced to self-isolate alongside a series of Tory MPs, the Commons leader resisted demands to extend the virtual participation of MPs to those living with someone in the vulnerable category.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-11-2020 8:46pm

Boris asked Sir Alex to make report on pretty petty Priti Patel pretty palatable.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55026137

The UK system is honour based. This whole Brexit mess has shown how that doesn't work so well with those who do not feel honour bound while those with honour have resigned.

Thargor · 21-11-2020 10:48pm

Thargor wrote: »

Look at the recent green new deal that they'll probably just forget about when convenient aswell:
https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband/status/1329134222242672641

That didnt take long:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55020558

Rjd2 · 22-11-2020 10:39pm

excellent time for Labour to have another mini civil war over leadership. :rolleyes:

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing, no matter how bad their leadership , Labour always bail them out somewhat by their incompetence.

breezy1985 · 22-11-2020 11:04pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

excellent time for Labour to have another mini civil war over leadership. :rolleyes:

The Tories must be pissing themselves laughing, no matter how bad their leadership , Labour always bail them out somewhat by their incompetence.

A lot of the big issues not breaking the way of traditional party lines and it has Fed both of them to be honest. Once the next election comes round and assuming Brexit and Covid are done by then the SNP will clean up in Scotland and LibDems if they get their stuff together should come back. Greens and whatever Farage has morphed into by then will both increase vote share. Plaid Cymru might be the only small party in trouble as they seem a bit left for Brexit voting Wales. NI will continue to be NI

Capt'n Midnight · 23-11-2020 12:07am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Plaid Cymru might be the only small party in trouble as they seem a bit left for Brexit voting Wales. NI will continue to be NI

Wales can be divided into three regions. British Wales , Welsh Wales and Y Fro Gymraeg. They don't quite match the voting results. But it's near enough.

Plaid have 4 seats out of 40. And they are all in Y Fro Gymraeg, the west coast 'Gealtacht'

Votes in 2019 GE

breezy1985 · 23-11-2020 12:43am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Wales can be divided into three regions. British Wales , Welsh Wales and Y Fro Gymraeg. They don't quite match the voting results. But it's near enough.

Plaid have 4 seats out of 40. And they are all in Y Fro Gymraeg, the west coast 'Gealtacht'

Votes in 2019 GE

That's really interesting thanks for that. I didn't even realize Wales had that many seats and I also thought the population and seats was the same as NI

Winters · 26-11-2020 11:20am

"Car crime, burglary and shoplifting are all lower than the same time last year."

Priti Patel

How they can say this with a straight face is outstanding. Another 3 and a half years of this..

26-11-2020 11:25am

breezy1985 wrote: »

That's really interesting thanks for that. I didn't even realize Wales had that many seats and I also thought the population and seats was the same as NI

This is mostly due to most constituencies having an average population of 60,000, but in declining areas the numbers can be far lower and in growing areas far higher.
The electoral commission regularly amend the boundaries to try to keep the numbers in each constituency similar across the country.

edit: 56,000 https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/constituencies/

Joe_ Public · 26-11-2020 12:15pm

Winters wrote: »

"Car crime, burglary and shoplifting are all lower than the same time last year."

Priti Patel

How they can say this with a straight face is outstanding. Another 3 and a half years of this..

It must be down to the three hundred thousand, and thirty four, nine hundred and seventy four thousand new bobbies they have on the beat.

Mr.Nice Guy · 27-11-2020 10:30pm

https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1332278498753392640

They seem to think they can counter the rising support for Scottish independence with flag-waving stunts. I'd expect this sort of stuff from the DUP, but if the Tories are relying on this then they are in even more trouble than I thought.

Besides that, who on earth focuses on a vaccine's design when getting it?

listermint · 27-11-2020 10:59pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1332278498753392640

They seem to think they can counter the rising support for Scottish independence with flag-waving stunts. I'd expect this sort of stuff from the DUP, but if the Tories are relying on this then they are in even more trouble than I thought.

Besides that, who on earth focuses on a vaccine's design when getting it?

I think it goes beyond that. The receiver won't even see the viles just the needle.

So what's the point..

Water John · 27-11-2020 11:27pm

Putting the Union Jack on the vials is vile. Thanks for the thought Listermint.

eire4 · 29-11-2020 12:03am

Water John wrote: »

Putting the Union Jack on the vials is vile. Thanks for the thought Listermint.

Pathetic it truly is pathetic. But that is exactly the kind of vacuous gesture you get from these Tories.

Sam Russell · 29-11-2020 10:56am

Actually, the handling of the Covid by each of the 'home nations' has shown the Scottish what it is like to be in command of their own destiny and free from Westminster's dead hand.

I think that can only increase the call for Scottish Independence.

CrabRevolution · 29-11-2020 8:23pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1332278498753392640

They seem to think they can counter the rising support for Scottish independence with flag-waving stunts. I'd expect this sort of stuff from the DUP, but if the Tories are relying on this then they are in even more trouble than I thought.

Besides that, who on earth focuses on a vaccine's design when getting it?

There's a scene in the film Europa Europa where the children in a Soviet orphanage are instructed to pray to Stalin, and right on cue sweets start raining down on the children, being dumped from holes in the ceiling.

I see a lot of similarities to the "Union Jack on vaccines" plan; trying to build association between their political idea and something the people want in a very tactless manner. But whereas in the film we see it as disingenuous propaganda within a cult of personality that could only work on children, the Tories seem to believe it's a perfectly good idea that will work on the UK's adult population.

Even thinking about it practically-I've had many vaccines in my life as well as having blood taken, blood donated etc. and couldn't tell you a single detail of what was or wasn't on the vials and syringes....

breezy1985 · 29-11-2020 8:34pm

CrabRevolution wrote: »

There's a scene in the film Europa Europa where the children in a Soviet orphanage are instructed to pray to Stalin, and right on cue sweets start raining down on the children, being dumped from holes in the ceiling.

I see a lot of similarities to the "Union Jack on vaccines" plan; trying to build association between their political idea and something the people want in a very tactless manner. But whereas in the film we see it as disingenuous propaganda within a cult of personality that could only work on children, the Tories seem to believe it's a perfectly good idea that will work on the UK's adult population.

Even thinking about it practically-I've had many vaccines in my life as well as having blood taken, blood donated etc. and couldn't tell you a single detail of what was or wasn't on the vials and syringes....

Normal nonsense these days from the land of blue passports

Headshot · 30-11-2020 4:53pm

Listening to Sturgeon speech at the start of the SNP conference.

I've always been a big fan of hers and she's knocking it out of the park with her speech and loved the dig at the Tories

breezy1985 · 30-11-2020 4:59pm

Headshot wrote: »

Listening to Sturgeon speech at the start of the SNP conference.

I've always been a big fan of hers and she's knocking it out of the park with her speech and loved the dig at the Tories

She gets a lot of respect even in England. I have plenty of friends from the North and midlands jealous that they don't have a Sturgeon to vote for

Leroy42 · 30-11-2020 5:47pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

She gets a lot of respect even in England. I have plenty of friends from the North and midlands jealous that they don't have a Sturgeon to vote for

The problem she runs into, indeed the problem the SNP and Scottish independence have, is that all the arguments they make about how terrible Brexit is will be exactly the same against them for any vote.

Just because the UK, mainly through England, seems to have lost the ability for rational thought, I fail to see how anyone can think that a vote for Scottish independence would not create massive issues for everyone involved.

That is not to say it isn't worth it, or that they might not achieve it, and certainly, the last few years have increased the likelihood, but it is a big ask to take such a leap into the unknown.

The experience of just how difficult Brexit proved to be, despite the assurances of the Leave campaigners, will weigh heavily on any Indy ref.

Like the BRexiteers, the real value for the SNP is calling for the ref. What wold they actually do if it ever actually passed?

BonnieSituation · 30-11-2020 8:58pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem she runs into, indeed the problem the SNP and Scottish independence have, is that all the arguments they make about how terrible Brexit is will be exactly the same against them for any vote.

Just because the UK, mainly through England, seems to have lost the ability for rational thought, I fail to see how anyone can think that a vote for Scottish independence would not create massive issues for everyone involved.

That is not to say it isn't worth it, or that they might not achieve it, and certainly, the last few years have increased the likelihood, but it is a big ask to take such a leap into the unknown.

The experience of just how difficult Brexit proved to be, despite the assurances of the Leave campaigners, will weigh heavily on any Indy ref.

Like the BRexiteers, the real value for the SNP is calling for the ref. What wold they actually do if it ever actually passed?

They wrote a massive white paper, a plan if you will, about the likely path in the event of the referendum passing.

It's not likely that they'd approach independence with the same disregard and fecklessness that the Tories tend to in these situations.

Shelga · 30-11-2020 9:08pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem she runs into, indeed the problem the SNP and Scottish independence have, is that all the arguments they make about how terrible Brexit is will be exactly the same against them for any vote.

Just because the UK, mainly through England, seems to have lost the ability for rational thought, I fail to see how anyone can think that a vote for Scottish independence would not create massive issues for everyone involved.

That is not to say it isn't worth it, or that they might not achieve it, and certainly, the last few years have increased the likelihood, but it is a big ask to take such a leap into the unknown.

The experience of just how difficult Brexit proved to be, despite the assurances of the Leave campaigners, will weigh heavily on any Indy ref.

Like the BRexiteers, the real value for the SNP is calling for the ref. What wold they actually do if it ever actually passed?

Sturgeon was asked about the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England on Radio 4 this morning, in the event of an independence referendum and rejoining the EU succeeding. She batted away the question somewhat, and said it's the fault of Brexiters that this is even a potential scenario. That may be, but she's going to have to come up with more detailed answers than that, and it's going to be very hard to make that border sound in any way appealing.

I like Sturgeon, and can see why they want independence, but I hope any campaign is realistic about the difficulties involved, unlike Brexit. It'll be a difficult balance to strike.

cml387 · 30-11-2020 9:52pm

Shelga wrote: »

Sturgeon was asked about the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England on Radio 4 this morning, in the event of an independence referendum and rejoining the EU succeeding. She batted away the question somewhat, and said it's the fault of Brexiters that this is even a potential scenario. That may be, but she's going to have to come up with more detailed answers than that, and it's going to be very hard to make that border sound in any way appealing.

I like Sturgeon, and can see why they want independence, but I hope any campaign is realistic about the difficulties involved, unlike Brexit. It'll be a difficult balance to strike.

I suspect that Nicola Sturgeon is more popular in the greater Celtic lands than she is in her own party.
There is a considerable minority within the SNP who believe she shafted Alex Salmond and who are waiting in the long grass.

BonnieSituation · 01-12-2020 12:22am

Shelga wrote: »

Sturgeon was asked about the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England on Radio 4 this morning, in the event of an independence referendum and rejoining the EU succeeding. She batted away the question somewhat, and said it's the fault of Brexiters that this is even a potential scenario. That may be, but she's going to have to come up with more detailed answers than that, and it's going to be very hard to make that border sound in any way appealing.

I like Sturgeon, and can see why they want independence, but I hope any campaign is realistic about the difficulties involved, unlike Brexit. It'll be a difficult balance to strike.

Does she have to come up with it this morning on Radio 4?

Sure, they don't even know what relationship theya re going to have with the EU in a month. So it would be impossible to work out the answer to the hypothetical dependent on a hypothetical.

It's a amazing how the BBC and the rabid Brexiter demands so much detail of others and yet can't be bothered supplying it when asked of themselves.

BonnieSituation · 01-12-2020 12:26am

cml387 wrote: »

I suspect that Nicola Sturgeon is more popular in the greater Celtic lands than she is in her own party.
There is a considerable minority within the SNP who believe she shafted Alex Salmond and who are waiting in the long grass.

I suspect you're wrong.

I suppose you were one of those that thought Ruth Davison was the second coming as well as opposed to the media created mirage of nothingness that she was?

Salmond is a busted flush at this point and his RT links aren't something to be associated with.

The likes of Joanna Cherry needs to calm their proverbials. They are tantalisingly close to a whopper majority in Holyrood next May. Just keep letting the Tories be Tories.

Peregrinus · 01-12-2020 5:04am

Leroy42 wrote: »

The problem she runs into, indeed the problem the SNP and Scottish independence have, is that all the arguments they make about how terrible Brexit is will be exactly the same against them for any vote.

Just because the UK, mainly through England, seems to have lost the ability for rational thought, I fail to see how anyone can think that a vote for Scottish independence would not create massive issues for everyone involved.

That is not to say it isn't worth it, or that they might not achieve it, and certainly, the last few years have increased the likelihood, but it is a big ask to take such a leap into the unknown.

The experience of just how difficult Brexit proved to be, despite the assurances of the Leave campaigners, will weigh heavily on any Indy ref.

Like the BRexiteers, the real value for the SNP is calling for the ref. What wold they actually do if it ever actually passed?

As Bonnie pointed out, last time around the Scottish government published a detailed white paper on the practical issues involved in independence, with proposals for their policies in relation to each. Plus a draft interim constitution for an independent Scotland. Given this example of planning, and of seeking a mandate for specific proposals, the abject failure of the Brexit movement to do the same is all the more remarkable.

You are of course correct that Scottish independence raises significant challenges, and that many arguments which were deployed against Brexit could, with modest reworking, be deployed against Scottish independence.

The difference, though, is what lies on the other side of the debate. The oppression, lack of control, lack of independence, etc against which Brexiters campaigned was either overstated or simply illusory. The UK wasn't in fact being forced into positions that it didn't want to adopt, or being subject to laws which it had no hand in making. Whereas Scotland really is being governed by a Union that cares nothing for its wishes and interests - as the whole sorry history of the implementation of Brexit makes abundantly clear. In the Scottish independence referendum, advocates of independence will be able to point to Scotland's forced exclusion from the EU, against its democratically-expressed with and very much contrary to its material interests, as a concrete illustration of why Scotland needs to be independent, despite the challenges involved.

The Brexit campaign had nothing like that to point to; therfore they had to deny that Brexit would involve any cost or any detriment. Campaigners for Scottish independence can afford to be more honest and more realistic about this.

So when Unionists point to the pains of separation, Independence campaigners have two responses: First, we're having the pains of separation forced on us anyway, by the English-dominated government that is subjecting us to hard Brexit for domestic political advantage in England. So a pain-free option isn't on offer in this referendum. And, secondly, if we choose the pain of separation from England, something positive results for Scotland. But there's no upside to sticking with England; we get the pain of separation from the EU, and we are still governed by the same shower that thinks it's fine to treat us like this.

dogbert27 · 01-12-2020 8:46am

Shelga wrote: »

Sturgeon was asked about the prospect of a hard border between Scotland and England on Radio 4 this morning, in the event of an independence referendum and rejoining the EU succeeding. She batted away the question somewhat, and said it's the fault of Brexiters that this is even a potential scenario. That may be, but she's going to have to come up with more detailed answers than that, and it's going to be very hard to make that border sound in any way appealing.

I like Sturgeon, and can see why they want independence, but I hope any campaign is realistic about the difficulties involved, unlike Brexit. It'll be a difficult balance to strike.

By the time Scottish independence comes around and a solution to the border issue there will have already been an answer made for them by what happens in Northern Ireland

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 12:35pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

It's a country that can not feed its own children.

Thats very 3rd worldish dont you think? Plenty of 3rd world countries have extremes of poverty and "elites" who are insanely rich.

Nonsense, it can well afford to feed all its children. Failure to do so is down to government policy and feckless parents, who can't be overlooked for blame. For instance the minimum wage in the UK is higher than that in all EU states apart from Luxembourg if memory serves me correctly.

Professor Moriarty · 17-12-2020 12:38pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Nonsense, it can well afford to feed all its children. Failure to do so is down to government policy and feckless parents, who can't be overlooked for blame. For instance the minimum wage in the UK is higher than that in all EU states apart from Luxembourg if memory serves me correctly.

Why is UNICEF donating £25,000 worth of breakfasts to poor children in the UK?

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 12:43pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why is UNICEF donating £25,000 worth of breakfasts to poor children in the UK?

I don't know, maybe someone wanted to embarrass the current UK government? But it is certainly not because the UK does not have 25k. I think their stats for children being possibly in danger of food poverty were approx 29% while ours here are approx 24%. Not a world of difference.

Professor Moriarty · 17-12-2020 12:44pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I don't know, maybe someone wanted to embarrass the current UK government? But it is certainly not because the UK does not have 25k. I think their stats for children being possibly in danger of food poverty were approx 29% while ours here are approx 24%. Not a world of difference.

Why would UNICEF want to embarrass the UK by feeding poor children?

ElJeffe · 17-12-2020 12:47pm

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

It's a country that can not feed its own children.

Thats very 3rd worldish dont you think? Plenty of 3rd world countries have extremes of poverty and "elites" who are insanely rich.

There are families today getting handed out food parcels in Dublin city centre. It's not just the UK that has this issue.

ancapailldorcha · 17-12-2020 12:50pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I don't know, maybe someone wanted to embarrass the current UK government? But it is certainly not because the UK does not have 25k. I think their stats for children being possibly in danger of food poverty were approx 29% while ours here are approx 24%. Not a world of difference.

Without evidence, this is an incredibly weak assertion.

HM government can certainly afford to help these people but it unfortunately chooses not to.

Lumen · 17-12-2020 12:58pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I don't know, maybe someone wanted to embarrass the current UK government? But it is certainly not because the UK does not have 25k. I think their stats for children being possibly in danger of food poverty were approx 29% while ours here are approx 24%. Not a world of difference.

If you dig into the data a little, beyond poverty (inequality) and into material deprivation, you will find a larger difference.

Living conditions in Europe - material deprivation and economic strain
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_material_deprivation_and_economic_strain

Share of people at risk of poverty who are unable to afford a meal with meat, fish or vegetarian equivalent every second day, 2018
IE: 1.6%
UK: 4.8%

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 1:15pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Without evidence, this is an incredibly weak assertion.

HM government can certainly afford to help these people but it unfortunately chooses not to.

These stats were shown on a bar graph here on a post from yesterday, I didn't see the need to repost. And yes there is a failure of UK government policy in that regard. As there is a failure of Irish government policy (and some parents) to keep all our children out of danger of hunger.

ancapailldorcha · 17-12-2020 1:19pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

These stats were shown on a bar graph here on a post from yesterday, I didn't see the need to repost. And yes there is a failure of UK government policy in that regard. As there is a failure of Irish government policy (and some parents) to keep all our children out of danger of hunger.

This is just whataboutery. I was referring to your claim that UNICEF are seeking to humiliate the UK. Since you've not produced any source for this, this claim can be disregarded IMO.

Strazdas · 17-12-2020 1:20pm

swampgas wrote: »

The UK is run by a government that doesn't want to feed its own children. They certainly could feed everyone if the political will was there. Instead they see the poor as a disposable underclass to be despised and abused.

As do most Conservative voters. One of the big hate sectors for them before Brexit came along were 'people on benefits'.

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 1:21pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why would UNICEF want to embarrass the UK by feeding poor children?

I don't know the machinations of charity groups and their individual country officers. Perhaps they also hand out food in Ireland? If not then why not as we have hungry children here too? If they did then it wouldn't mean that we as a nation couldn't afford to feed our children.

CelticRambler · 17-12-2020 1:22pm

Lumen wrote: »

If you dig into the data a little, beyond poverty (inequality) and into material deprivation, you will find a larger difference.

Living conditions in Europe - material deprivation and economic strain
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Living_conditions_in_Europe_-_material_deprivation_and_economic_strain

Share of people at risk of poverty who are unable to afford a meal with meat, fish or vegetarian equivalent every second day, 2018
IE: 1.6%
UK: 4.8%

For the sake of completeness, let's note that the UK's level of deprivation according to those data is noticeably lower than that of France or Germany and considerably lower than that of most of the eastern European states.

Most interestingly, IMO, is an apparent correlation between geographical size and deprivation: the "best" countries tend to be the smaller ones. I've often wondered if there's an optimal size for coherent nationhood - bigger is not necessarily better, once you start trying to govern territories with marked cultural differences (France suffers a lot from this). If ever anyone came up with hard data on the topic, it could bolster Scotland's social and economic argument for disassociating itself from Mother England.

listermint · 17-12-2020 1:23pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I don't know the machinations of charity groups and their individual country officers. Perhaps they also hand out food in Ireland? If not then why not as we have hungry children here too? If they did then it wouldn't mean that we as a nation couldn't afford to feed our children.

Unicef should not be doing political interference and Marcus Rashford should stay in his lane and do 'football' , amiright?

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 1:26pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This is just whataboutery. I was referring to your claim that UNICEF are seeking to humiliate the UK. Since you've not produced any source for this, this claim can be disregarded IMO.

I didn't state it as a fact, I suggested it as a possibility and you can't deny that the UK could feed all its own kids if it wanted to. Actions of a multinationals in one country can be down to decisions of individual officers in that country. Perhaps a top Unicef UK officer is a Labour supporter? Why are Unicef not handing out food parcels to kids in Ireland for instance? Surely all kids should be equal so is this a political decision?

Cheensbo · 17-12-2020 1:27pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

The quotes were from MPs who were not in the UK government at the time and their remarks didn't form the actual terms of an eventual agreement. It is dangerous to react to every random utterance of a country's politicians as if it represents the policy of its government.

Never said it was a government policy, I pointed out that the remarks were from elected representatives at the time, so they definitely carry more weight than some randommer like you or I mouthing off on an internet forum. Those remarks don't form part of any agreement either.

Contrary to your position - it is dangerous for an elected representative to threaten food shortages on a neighbor, and that's before you apply the additional connotations that threatening food shortages on Ireland by the UK carries.

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 1:29pm

listermint wrote: »

Unicef should not be doing political interference and Marcus Rashford should stay in his lane and do 'football' , amiright?

Wrong I applaud Rashford. And Unicef should be feeding hungry children in all countries if their governments or parents are not doing it. Do you think that Unicef should be providing food to kids in Ireland as there are hungry kids here also?

ancapailldorcha · 17-12-2020 1:29pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

I didn't state it as a fact, I suggested it as a possibility and you can't deny that the UK could feed all its own kids if it wanted to. Actions of a multinationals in one country can be down to decisions of individual officers in that country. Perhaps a top Unicef UK officer is a Labour supporter? Why are Unicef not handing out food parcels to kids in Ireland for instance? Surely all kids should be equal so is this a political decision?

That's nonsense though since you have no evidence to back it up. I can claim with equal legitimacy that the Tories want to starve ethnic minority, foreign born and working class children.

As regards UNICEF and Ireland, I suggest you research your own point instead of expecting other people to do it for you.

listermint · 17-12-2020 1:31pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Wrong I applaud Rashford. And Unicef should be feeding hungry children in all countries if their governments or parents are not doing it. Do you think that Unicef should be providing food to kids in Ireland as there are hungry kids here also?

Rashford is feeding kids in the UK, should we not therefore based on your own made up metrics deride him for not feeding kids in Ireland too.

these are your rules by the way not mind. Im not measuring people or organisations on them you are.

paul71 · 17-12-2020 1:33pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Wrong I applaud Rashford. And Unicef should be feeding hungry children in all countries if their governments or parents are not doing it. Do you think that Unicef should be providing food to kids in Ireland as there are hungry kids here also?

They are not required as Irish charities (often government funded) and social services do it, they are required in the UK.

forgottenhills · 17-12-2020 1:37pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

That's nonsense though since you have no evidence to back it up. I can claim with equal legitimacy that the Tories want to starve ethnic minority, foreign born and working class children.

As regards UNICEF and Ireland, I suggest you research your own point instead of expecting other people to do it for you.

Look my argument is that I disagree with the assertions on here from some posters that the UK is a third world country and can't afford to feed its own children, assertions which have used the actions of Unicef UK to provide food worth 25k to children in London as proof.

Do you agree with these assertions as I note that you haven't been asking these posters for evidence or proof that the UK is not in a position to feed its children?

dogbert27 · 17-12-2020 1:38pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why would UNICEF want to embarrass the UK by feeding poor children?

Because they are obviously Remainers looking to embarrass Brexit :rolleyes:

To believe someone is trying to embarrass the current UK government by asking help from UNICEF is farcical when for months a Premier League footballer has had to fight against MPs on line to secure free meals for school children but I guess Rashford is only looking to embarrass the UK government too instead of actually caring about the public.

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