Crew cab/ passenger jeep

kevthegaff · 03-12-2020 2:38pm

Is it still worthwhile going up north?

Tonynewholland · 03-12-2020 2:40pm

doctorchopper wrote: »

I have a 2018 navara, It's very comfortable, quiet and smooth to drive. I had a 2012 D40 previously. The 2018 doesn't seem to have as much low down power as the 2012, possibly down to twin turbo and smaller cc, they are both the same Bhp at 190, but it just seems to lack at low rpm's, almost like turbo lag. I had the d40 for 5 years and was excellent, only thing that went on it was alternator. it was 3 years old when i got it, first thing i did was treat inside and outside of the chassis (this was before the cracked chassis issue of the older ones) best thing i could have done as i would say its saved it. The 2018 scares me some times with all the electrics it has (euro 6 so its full of sensors and emissions crap). I don't tow anything so can't comment on how it will perform there. I carry my enduro bike in the back and thats about it. Economy wise its about the same as the D40, I get on average 32 MPG, best I got was 42, worst was 25 so all depends on how you drive it. They make a 160 bhp single turbo version but i'd say it would be a dog of a thing to drive.

They look well finished off both inside and outside . It’s the thing I don’t like about the hilux why don’t they give them the same finish inside as the land cruiser

greysides · 03-12-2020 3:02pm

Tonynewholland wrote: »

What’s the cost of getting the chassis looked after the way you did it or galvanise it. I’ve a 07 from new and it’s at the stage now that I either change or spend money on the chassis

For my own, I can't give you a figure due to the circumstances. There was more done to it than just the chassis. I did some of the mullocking myself and had help with bits that were beyond me. I had the free use of a lift to get under it and did it in free time over four weeks. Welding was about €200, then the various chemicals, maybe €300.
My friends galvanizing was ~€400, and he had it sand blasted first.
I know with other repairs etc. it probably came to €3000. I also put a Toyota steering rack into. Probably the only genuine one ordered from Ireland this year! Price wasn't a consideration given the alternative options, my faith in the machine and the way I maintain it. If it lasts over two years without more welding I'll be happy, and I think I should get longer with a bit more.
Given what we know now of them and what we can see of the newer models, I think a lot of them were scrapped much too easily.

RandRuns · 03-12-2020 3:28pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Get yourself down to a few dealers Nissan,mitsubishi,Toyota, isuzu . Find the time if you can drive em all . You will soon narrow it down.even if your not going new.

Toyota are not what they once were. Check out the chassis on any 2nd hand ones. Rust on some even fresh would surprise anyone.

Isuzu d max here. 1.9 good economy. Super steering lock, plenty of room front and back.
If you've a heavy right foot, maybe not for you. 3500kg braked towing capacity.

You're not wrong there - had our 2011 Hilux fail the CVRT this year for extensive chassis and underbody rust. It is used to travel around to sites, is maintained as per recommended schedules, not used off road or near the sea, and there was no mention of rust in last years test! Think we'll be replacing it with something else.

Edit - just spotted the other posters with similar stories there - it's obviously more widespread than I'd imagined.

doctorchopper · 03-12-2020 3:56pm

RandRuns wrote: »

You're not wrong there - had our 2011 Hilux fail the CVRT this year for extensive chassis and underbody rust. It is used to travel around to sites, is maintained as per recommended schedules, not used off road or near the sea, and there was no mention of rust in last years test! Think we'll be replacing it with something else.

Edit - just spotted the other posters with similar stories there - it's obviously more widespread than I'd imagined.

I think since the big snowfall in 2010 they have a lot more snow ploughs and gritters on the road using more salt than they ever have in the past, It's really not helping with corrosion, just a observation on my part.

Mad_maxx · 03-12-2020 3:58pm

someone close to me has a business class landcruiser five seater , its extremely dull to drive and is actually quite gutless , smaller engine and lower BHP than the older two seater SWB he had (v 2.8 versus 3 litre and 177 bhp versus 190 bhp on the old one )

emissions rules are making big diesel engines too emasculated

03-12-2020 4:09pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

someone close to me has a business class landcruiser five seater , its extremely dull to drive and is actually quite gutless , smaller engine and lower BHP than the older two seater SWB he had (v 2.8 versus 3 litre and 177 bhp versus 190 bhp on the old one )

........

They weight 2.5 tonne and are permanent 4WD ......... they are dead as fnck and a really dull drive but you wouldn't imagine them to be anything else surely at the quoted bhp.
Their plus is the torque and the simplicity of a 4 cylinder

I drove a few over the years......... most recently in 2018 before I bought the Sorento, I don't tow so the Sorento was a better option for me. But the recent LC are much the same to drive as 15 year old versions IMO.

Tonynewholland · 03-12-2020 4:10pm

RandRuns wrote: »

You're not wrong there - had our 2011 Hilux fail the CVRT this year for extensive chassis and underbody rust. It is used to travel around to sites, is maintained as per recommended schedules, not used off road or near the sea, and there was no mention of rust in last years test! Think we'll be replacing it with something else.

Edit - just spotted the other posters with similar stories there - it's obviously more widespread than I'd imagined.

That’s disappointing. Were you able to get work done and get her passed

RandRuns · 03-12-2020 4:38pm

Tonynewholland wrote: »

That’s disappointing. Were you able to get work done and get her passed

She's in getting the work done at the moment - mechanic reckons it's the worst rust he's seen since Datsuns were a thing! The panel in below the radiator literally crumbled apart when removed, and both sills are completely rotten.
Very disappointing for a Toyota. Given the price commanded by Hiluxes and Landcruisers second hand, they are living on past glories. I drove a new Landcruiser to evaluate as a possible replacement, and was very unimpressed - felt underpowered and flimsy.

Mad_maxx · 03-12-2020 7:08pm

Augeo wrote: »

They weight 2.5 tonne and are permanent 4WD ......... they are dead as fnck and a really dull drive but you wouldn't imagine them to be anything else surely at the quoted bhp.
Their plus is the torque and the simplicity of a 4 cylinder

I drove a few over the years......... most recently in 2018 before I bought the Sorento, I don't tow so the Sorento was a better option for me. But the recent LC are much the same to drive as 15 year old versions IMO.

well ive driven both this three year old five seater and his older SWB , the SWB was far nippier taking off

the landcruiser are unfailingly reliable , if i was spending someone elses money however , id go for the likes of the discovery

not sure what you mean about the landcruiser being " permanent 4WD " ? , they arent

Nekarsulm · 03-12-2020 7:17pm

Neighbour had his own 2007 landcruiser fail the test last year with "extensive chassis corrosion".

Spent 500 euro getting one side of the chassis played, and told me that when the garage cut the rusty pieces out, the chassis rail was packed solid with mud, which had built up over the years.
Got through the test but was advised the other side would need doing next year.
Sold it with 9 months test...
Had a bit of injector trouble a couple of years back as well, which was an expensive fix also.

04-12-2020 12:19am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

well ive driven both this three year old five seater and his older SWB , the SWB was far nippier taking off

the landcruiser are unfailingly reliable , if i was spending someone elses money however , id go for the likes of the discovery

not sure what you mean about the landcruiser being " permanent 4WD " ? , they arent

An old swb is under 2T weight..... It's a fair bit lighter.

"not sure what you mean about the landcruiser being " permanent 4WD " ? , they arent" what?
When the centre diff isn't locked 40 percent the torque goes to the front axle and 60 percent to the rear...... The thing is never in 2wd. I'm obviously not suggesting the centre diff is locked permanently.

dodo mommy · 04-12-2020 6:43am

Albert Johnson wrote: »

My comments weren't meant directly in reply to you, in fact you've raised a point that I've always made about buying Toyota jeeps. The best value is in new or nearly new as anything in the second hand category is mentle money especially for anything clean or low milage.

The OP has never disclosed there budget despite being questioned on it. It's very hard to give advice when we don't know if the OP is looking to spend €5,000 or €35,000. It's hard to justify anything more than a middle of the road jeep if it's going to spend the biggest part of the week parked up. There's plenty of early 2000 reg landcruisers through the country that would do the OPs work.

Sorry guys for not keeping up to date with the thread, I should have siad in the original post I would be trading in a 06 landcruiser with 17000km on clock which I should get a decent trade in for or I might even try and sell private. I want to upgrade now because I feel If I don't in a few years time I would have to part with a lot more money to get anything decent.

Mad_maxx · 04-12-2020 9:59am

Augeo wrote: »

An old swb is under 2T weight..... It's a fair bit lighter.

"not sure what you mean about the landcruiser being " permanent 4WD " ? , they arent" what?
When the centre diff isn't locked 40 percent the torque goes to the front axle and 60 percent to the rear...... The thing is never in 2wd. I'm obviously not suggesting the centre diff is locked permanently.

My mistake

Mad_maxx · 04-12-2020 10:01am

dodo mommy wrote: »

Sorry guys for not keeping up to date with the thread, I should have siad in the original post I would be trading in a 06 landcruiser with 17000km on clock which I should get a decent trade in for or I might even try and sell private. I want to upgrade now because I feel If I don't in a few years time I would have to part with a lot more money to get anything decent.

You should get 8 k in a private sale for one of those , km is very low , you might miss it if you move it on ?

i would not be sure it will drop an awful lot more in value , even early noughties ones are close on 5 k , people dont care about the age of those landcruisers , in fact many see it as a badge of honour if they are kept well

greysides · 04-12-2020 10:19am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You should get 8 k in a private sale for one of those , km is very low , you might miss it if you move it on ?

If it's got a good chassis, I'd send a bit on it to secure it and keep it.

Tonynewholland · 04-12-2020 10:40am

dodo mommy wrote: »

Sorry guys for not keeping up to date with the thread, I should have siad in the original post I would be trading in a 06 landcruiser with 17000km on clock which I should get a decent trade in for or I might even try and sell private. I want to upgrade now because I feel If I don't in a few years time I would have to part with a lot more money to get anything decent.

I’ve similar to you only 07. It would cost me 36/37k to change with a main dealer.

Bass Reeves · 04-12-2020 12:41pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

Sorry guys for not keeping up to date with the thread, I should have siad in the original post I would be trading in a 06 landcruiser with 17000km on clock which I should get a decent trade in for or I might even try and sell private. I want to upgrade now because I feel If I don't in a few years time I would have to part with a lot more money to get anything decent.

If the jeep you have is that old and is in good condition you be crazy to change it for the amount of use you are using it. It will not depreciate much more over the next five years. In five years time with another 50k on it it will still be worth maybe as much as at present. Why would you part with 10k to go up 4-5 years. A lot of jeeps depreciate to a certain value and no further. They can actually start to appreciate again.

I have a Toyota Rav 2010.I bought it for 7k May 2019.It had 108k miles on it. Now it has135k miles . Looks at present prices it probably worth more now than I paid for it. I will keep it as long as it's functional. It the same with your LC you should keep it as long as it's functional.
You could spend 10k on upgrading s few years and another 2-5k in 1-2 years time on repairs in new jeep. Any warranty you get will be minimal.

Albert Johnson · 04-12-2020 1:33pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

Sorry guys for not keeping up to date with the thread, I should have siad in the original post I would be trading in a 06 landcruiser with 17000km on clock which I should get a decent trade in for or I might even try and sell private. I want to upgrade now because I feel If I don't in a few years time I would have to part with a lot more money to get anything decent.

Tbh you've a better jeep than I would have suggested buying for that level of use. I think you'd be as well with your own jeep for another few years especially when it only has that level of milage. You'll struggle to buy another landcruiser with similar milage under 5 year's old and any you do find will be mentle money.

Your own jeep is probably worth €10,000 or more atm and it won't depreciate an awfull lot more in the next few years, if anything the older landcruisers are appreciating in value. It would take another €15,000 or more to buy a similar 5 year old jeep with low mileage. It's a lot of money imo for something that won't get much use for the best part of the week.

If you move up even 5 year's then your most likely to end up with a newer jeep with more work done than your own. Sub 200,000km is very little for an 06 cruiser, if looked after I don't see why it shouldn't be serviceable at it's 20th birthday. My advice would be spend a bit on your own jeep and keep the devil you know. You could end up with a bigger money pit in the next jeep that had a far harder life previously. There's a lot of lad's locally that use and abuse a jeep 7 day's a week and there driving and buying worse than your thinking of trading.

feartuath · 06-12-2020 10:57pm

02 hilux passed just test for another year, failed on ball joints first.
Sprayed the under body this year after power washing for a few days.
A dirty job with no lift just using scaffold planks and a solid support one side at a time.
All good for another few years hopefully.

Milage clock looks damaged before I bought it so god knows what she has done.

06-12-2020 11:28pm

Getting away with no welding is decent on an 02 to be fair.... It wasn't crumbly in places?

feartuath · 09-12-2020 10:52am

Augeo wrote: »

Getting away with no welding is decent on an 02 to be fair.... It wasn't crumbly in places?

Chassis is in great condition, no welding required.
The early hilux are different to the land cruiser as the back end of hilux is like channel iron as opposed to box section as the land cruiser.

Neighbours 05 land cruiser failed on back end of chassis.

French Toast · 09-12-2020 3:40pm

Grueller wrote: »

I like the Toyota's, in fact if I were in the market for a jeep and the budget allowed I would buy one, but they are not the be all and end all like everyone thinks. I just think they are trading off of a reputation earned 30 years ago that may not be entirely deserved today. My opinion only.

True, they're not the be all and end all. The reputation they built up through the 90's and 00's is definitely bigger than the quality of stuff they're making today. The competition for the Landcruiser/Hilux will be closing the gap the longer time goes on, especially if the quality of Toyota stuff is decreasing which it's fair to say it is. All that considered, the same as yourself I'd sooner take a Toyota over the Nissan/Mitsubishi/etc. alternative if I was buying today.

A good few of the new 1.9 Troopers around locally. Be interesting to see how they fare.

josephsoap · 19-12-2020 5:30pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

I need a new jeep and/or new car, both are driven into the ground and not worth fixing. A crew cab would be ideal for the farm and kids but I travel 25,000km to work each year and put up a good share of miles on short runs to school/football etc.
I do a lot of trailer work and ideally would like a 3 litre like a Hilux with commercial tax which will carry children and pull a trailer for 20k. Problem is it’ll cost €2500 in diesel to bring me to work each year plus the extra running costs associated with this kind of machine. Think 3/4 of this expense can go through the farm so maybe not as dear as it looks.
Other option is to buy an older jeep and a car for 10k each.
Any advice on what to buy? Anyone else doing similar mileage in a jeep/crew cab?

Hi, just wondering did you purchase after?

Kind of in a similar situation myself only I have a peach of SWB Landcruiser, which I think would nearly kill me to sell but I need back seats.

arctictree · 19-12-2020 6:35pm

josephsoap wrote: »

Hi, just wondering did you purchase after?

Kind of in a similar situation myself only I have a peach of SWB Landcruiser, which I think would nearly kill me to sell but I need back seats.

Exactly same here, have an 05 SWB land cruiser from new but really need the back seats. Are we the only european country with these ridiculous rules? I hear the jeeps all come in with back seats and they get ripped out in rosslare.

wrangler · 19-12-2020 6:49pm

arctictree wrote: »

Exactly same here, have an 05 SWB land cruiser from new but really need the back seats. Are we the only european country with these ridiculous rules? I hear the jeeps all come in with back seats and they get ripped out in rosslare.

I used to deal with Kanes in Granard, They converted jeeps and there was the finest of leather seats thrown out in the rain.
Stupid waste,
At least they saw sense with the crewcabs

Nekarsulm · 19-12-2020 8:09pm

wrangler wrote: »

I used to deal with Kanes in Granard, They converted jeeps and there was the finest of leather seats thrown out in the rain.
Stupid waste,
At least they saw sense with the crewcabs

Saw piles of those seats in their yard years ago...
Saw jeeps hidden in slatted sheds on out-farms in a vain attempt to keep them from Customs, after some very dodgy "converting" by the same outfit...

wrangler · 19-12-2020 8:29pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Saw piles of those seats in their yard years ago...
Saw jeeps hidden in slatted sheds on out-farms in a vain attempt to keep them from Customs, after some very dodgy "converting" by the same outfit...

I got a very cheap new jeep off them in 2001, the local dealers were really pissed

Say my name · 19-12-2020 8:53pm

So commercial tax is €333.
1.5 litre diesels 4x4 with leather seats front and back are €280 to €200.

Is that right?

selectamatic · 19-12-2020 9:06pm

Say my name wrote: »

So commercial tax is €333.
1.5 litre diesels 4x4 with leather seats front and back are €280 to €200.

Is that right?

Ay but you can't actually do anything with a 1.5 diesel that resembles hard farm work.

Dusters are 4x4 clios on stilts. Great for tipping about in on rough roads or even fields but that's about it.

Say my name · 19-12-2020 9:14pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Ay but you can't actually do anything with a 1.5 diesel that resembles hard farm work.

Dusters are 4x4 clios on stilts. Great for tipping about in on rough roads or even fields but that's about it.

The modern version of the passat.

Dakota Dan · 19-12-2020 9:25pm

Say my name wrote: »

So commercial tax is €333.
1.5 litre diesels 4x4 with leather seats front and back are €280 to €200.

Is that right?

Correct, I was thinking of buying a 2007 sante fe in November but the tax was a killer so I looked into buying a crew cab sante fe or converting one until I found out that you could have problems taxing it as a commercial as a new owner as you have to start from scratch and might be refused because you don't employ a crew. I ended up buying a 2008 quashqai full spec for €2600, 47 mpg and 280 tax without any of the crew cab head aches, lower tax also.

Nekarsulm · 19-12-2020 9:39pm

Say my name wrote: »

So commercial tax is €333.
1.5 litre diesels 4x4 with leather seats front and back are €280 to €200.

Is that right?

Yeah, that's about right, but you are limiting yourself to the Dacia Duster in that 1.5 engine size.
And they are only plated to pull 1500kg , almost 2000kg less than most farmers look for in a 4x4.

Say my name · 19-12-2020 9:57pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Yeah, that's about right, but you are limiting yourself to the Dacia Duster in that 1.5 engine size.
And they are only plated to pull 1500kg , almost 2000kg less than most farmers look for in a 4x4.

And that 3,500kg towing rating is getting limited to the few by each coming year.
Talking new is it only the Ford Ranger is rated for that now?

Kind of reminds me of the equestrian folk leaving the towing vehicles behind and just going for the converted integrated 2 horse small trucks.

rostalof · 19-12-2020 10:12pm

The rules for VAT and VRT for commercial vehicles changed in January 2019. The days of pulling out seats and 'converting' your 7 seater into a commercial are over. The rules now specify that to be classed as a crew cab, for any vehicle with more than 3 seats, the load area must be separate to the cab or driver and passenger area i.e. under a different roof or with no roof.

So Hi-lux/L200/Navarra/Ranger/DMAX type crew cabs are all acceptable. But land cruiser type vehicles with more than 3 seats are not. If you have more than 3 seats and the load area is under the same roof as the seating, it's not a commercial. (In practical terms for these type of vehicles it will be 2 seats. They use 3 as the upper limit to cover enclosed vans with 3 front seats, see below).

An unfortunate situation has also arisen because of these rule changes. Crew cab enclosed vans such as transits, with more than 3 seats, aren't classed as commercials either, even with a factory fitted bulkhead behind the row of crew seats, because they're all under the same roof. That's why you see a lot more transit crew cabs with an open flat bed or tipper bed behind the crew area recently, they're still classed as commercials.

This gives a bit of an outline,

https://www.myvehicle.ie/car-news/new-5-seat-commercial-suv-vehicle-registration-tax-changes-and-how-they-will-impact-your-business

Dakota Dan · 19-12-2020 10:26pm

Say my name wrote: »

And that 3,500kg towing rating is getting limited to the few by each coming year.
Talking new is it only the Ford Ranger is rated for that now?

Kind of reminds me of the equestrian folk leaving the towing vehicles behind and just going for the converted integrated 2 horse small trucks.

A ford raptor? have you 65k handy

ruwithme · 19-12-2020 10:35pm

Say my name wrote: »

And that 3,500kg towing rating is getting limited to the few by each coming year.
Talking new is it only the Ford Ranger is rated for that now?

Kind of reminds me of the equestrian folk leaving the towing vehicles behind and just going for the converted integrated 2 horse small trucks.

D max is still 3500kg tow rating

Say my name · 19-12-2020 10:41pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

A ford raptor? have you 65k handy

I reckon the future will be some sort of small livestock lorry with a demountable body. With the flatbed able to be used then for whatever.
You'll need a separate license but you need one anyway for towing a trailer.

Then a small engine electric family 4 x 4 for those country roads.

Tractors and bigger livestock lorries will always be used.

arctictree · 19-12-2020 11:20pm

Why aren't the IFA lobbying for a rule that would allow farming families run a single 4x4 vehicle for domestic and farm work? Paying lower VRT and car tax.

ruwithme · 19-12-2020 11:27pm

I'm afraid the i.f.a are still collecting the membership,but appear to be idle as a organisation

RandRuns · 20-12-2020 1:47am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

A ford raptor? have you 65k handy

Only the "Standard" Ranger can be taxed commercial - the Raptor, as far as I'm aware, can only be taxed private, as the load rating is too low for a commercial.

Bass Reeves · 20-12-2020 2:25am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Correct, I was thinking of buying a 2007 sante fe in November but the tax was a killer so I looked into buying a crew cab sante fe or converting one until I found out that you could have problems taxing it as a commercial as a new owner as you have to start from scratch and might be refused because you don't employ a crew. I ended up buying a 2008 quashqai full spec for €2600, 47 mpg and 280 tax without any of the crew cab head aches, lower tax also.

I have a 2010 Toyota Rav 2.2L rated to pull 2 ton. It dose that at its ease. Road tax is 390/year its has everything from leather seats to cruise control. About 40mpg normally and 26 towing. Cost me 7k last year. It has 215k km on it. Great option

josephsoap · 20-12-2020 9:52am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have a 2010 Toyota Rav 2.2L rated to pull 2 ton. It dose that at its ease. Road tax is 390/year its has everything from leather seats to cruise control. About 40mpg normally and 26 towing. Cost me 7k last year. It has 215k km on it. Great option

What size of a trailer do you pull with it ?

Has it a low box ?

blackbox · 20-12-2020 10:55am

RandRuns wrote: »

Only the "Standard" Ranger can be taxed commercial - the Raptor, as far as I'm aware, can only be taxed private, as the load rating is too low for a commercial.

But if you tax it as a commercial wouldn't it be illegal to use it for family stuff such as for taking kids to school etc.

Bass Reeves · 20-12-2020 10:57am

josephsoap wrote: »

What size of a trailer do you pull with it ?

Has it a low box ?

No it has not got s low box. 4X4 is on a food button. Find I use it seldom enough taking off with a box mostly. It cuts out itself about the 50-60k mark.

At present an 8X5 but it would.pull a 10X6 no problem. 10X6 with 5X 400 stores would be over the 2T legal limit but it would pull it.

Half the lads I see with crewcabs or LC do not need them. It more a status symbol. Even with fragmented farms a tractor and trailer will move the big loads in spring and autumn. A 10X6 box will move 2-3 cows and there calves. An 8X5 box will move two cows and calves.

The Government will not make special cases for farming. It too hot easy to get a flick or herd number. After that if you are registered self employed if there was exceptions anybody could buy seated jeeps and use them.

This was s what happened with the crew cab version of LC etc 5-6 years ago. I know lots of business people who bought them. It also allowed them to completely write off fuel and running costs so a lot of them were as cheap or cheaper to run as a Merc or BMW.

Post 2008 there is 3-4 of these style jeeps Kuga, CRV, Vitara. After 2010 there is the Tourag, Sportage. All are capable 35-40mpg can legally pull two ton. Most even without the 4X4 option. Most have tax in the sun 500 bracket, CRV is 750 and it's a bit overpriced but it a fine small jeep.

RAV is about the pick of them back in that 8+age group. Best build IMO and most reliable

Mooooo · 20-12-2020 11:06am

It would depend on where you are doing you're trailer work as well. If you have a fine flat yard for loading and generally going to a mart or factory or coop etc no problem with most. If yards or lanes in to em are on hills and the need is to reverse up the hill a low box is handy to save the clutch. Maybe an auto may solve that?
Have a car here and use haulier for anything going to mart/ factory and borrow the neighbours tractor trailer the odd time maybe once or twice a year. However the car gets destroyed particularly in spring and when young stock are out and getting fed so thats where a pickup type would come into it for me. If there will be small people joining you it's also the handiest option

RandRuns · 20-12-2020 11:47am

blackbox wrote: »

But if you tax it as a commercial wouldn't it be illegal to use it for family stuff such as for taking kids to school etc.

By the letter of the law, yes. In reality, no.

SuperTortoise · 20-12-2020 4:31pm

What are people's opinions on the ford ranger? Seriously tempted to go up a few years and buy something fairly nice.

Who2 · 20-12-2020 4:37pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

What are people's opinions on the ford ranger? Seriously tempted to go up a few years and buy something fairly nice.

Be very careful, they are giving a sight of trouble engine wise . The 2.2 especially

wrangler · 20-12-2020 5:01pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

What are people's opinions on the ford ranger? Seriously tempted to go up a few years and buy something fairly nice.

It's a ford, that'd be enough reason for me to leave it where it is,

Crew cab/ passenger jeep

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