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28-07-2018, 15:58   #1
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So, there's four years remaining to block this fraud from happening. Or 3.5 even, as you'd imagine the countries touted with being the emergency replacement (Germany, France, UK) would even with their existing infrastructure need six months notice to put in place plans regarding transport, security, visa procedures etc.

Will it go ahead, in your opinion? I simply can't see how it can if a boycott from the heavy hitters can be organised. If the English, Spanish, French, Dutch, German and Italian FA refuse to interrupt their leagues in the middle of winter, FIFA are not going to throw these national teams out of the competition (assuming they've all qualified). Too many players from the big nations play in England, Spain, Germany and Italy- too many representing the African teams play in Ligue 1 and Eredevise. If they don't play ball they'll be essentially left with an Asian only tournament.

If the individual FA's fail to act, clubs could feasibly refuse to release their players. The winter interruption, combined with the wear and tear of playing an additional month after mid May 2023 with presumably no rest will undoubtedly effect the final standings at the tops of the European domestic tables , is beyond any obligation clubs surely have to release players for international duty.

Fraud aside, from what I recall Qatar was flogged as a summer tournament on pie n the sky technology about air conditioned stadia that just wasn't practical. They failed to deliver on it, take it off them, fraud or no fraud.

So, when is the beginning of the end of this farce going to begin? Because the longer is goes on the harder it will be to find a willing replacement host.

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28-07-2018, 20:15   #2
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We can only live and hope it gets canned!
This thread/forum has more chance of being binned first though, I'm surprised it's sill open.
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World Cup 2022: Qatar bid team accused of secret campaign to sabotage rivals

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The Qatar 2022 World Cup bid team ran a secret campaign in 2010 to sabotage competing host bids, according to a report published by the Sunday Times.
The paper claims to have seen leaked documents that show the Qatari bid team employed a US PR firm and ex-CIA agents to smear its rivals - mainly the United States and Australia.
The alleged aim was to create propaganda to give the impression that a World Cup would not be supported domestically, but such a campaign would have broken Fifa's bidding rules.
Qatar beat rival bids from the United States, Australia, South Korea and Japan to the right to host the 2022 World Cup.
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Will it go ahead, in your opinion? I simply can't see how it can if a boycott from the heavy hitters can be organised. If the English, Spanish, French, Dutch, German and Italian FA refuse to interrupt their leagues in the middle of winter, FIFA are not going to throw these national teams out of the competition (assuming they've all qualified). Too many players from the big nations play in England, Spain, Germany and Italy- too many representing the African teams play in Ligue 1 and Eredevise. If they don't play ball they'll be essentially left with an Asian only tournament.
I'm no fan of the bribery/corruption involved in the Qatar bid.
But it has to be said most of your thought process here is wrong - there is absolutely no way European leagues/clubs can refuse to release players. And players will go, you just aren't going to stop say the top South Americans representing their countries. Neymar not turning up for Brazil, it just can't happen. Ditto another 40 South Americans.
And crucially the clubs can't penalise the players because they can't actually put such a clause in contracts in the first place.
So realistically the leagues could continue with severely weakened teams (most if not all European countries will still try to qualify for the WC, and then go), or else they just stop at the suggested time for 6 weeks.

What they will do is use their co-operation as a bargaining chip to get a handful of concessions from FIFA. A couple of these may have happened already, e.g., Africa agreeing to no longer have their CAF championship in January was really good news for Euro leagues going forward.
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Just to follow up on this..
Sure FIFA allowed them to ignore a number of their rules anyway, why would they start enforcing them now?
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I'm no fan of the bribery/corruption involved in the Qatar bid.
But it has to be said most of your thought process here is wrong - there is absolutely no way European leagues/clubs can refuse to release players. And players will go, you just aren't going to stop say the top South Americans representing their countries. Neymar not turning up for Brazil, it just can't happen. Ditto another 40 South Americans.
And crucially the clubs can't penalise the players because they can't actually put such a clause in contracts in the first place.
So realistically the leagues could continue with severely weakened teams (most if not all European countries will still try to qualify for the WC, and then go), or else they just stop at the suggested time for 6 weeks.

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While they may not be able to prevent players going, what are the chances of the big European FA's refuse to compete their teams in qualifying, or compete in their groups but refuse to attend if the issue isn't resolved by the end of the campaign? After all one or two of them got robbed of the hosting themselves. While one would argue that the recent tournament wouldn't have missed the contributions of Germany and Spain (bar the Portugal match), and the likes of Holland and Italy didn't even qualify, these losses of form are a blip- the world wants to see these four at the tournament, they will be back to normal service soon enough. A boycott by the big European teams cheapens any achievement that Brazil etc may have in storming to the final by beating lesser European teams that normally wouldn't have qualified, relegating the WC to the same prestige as the Confederations Cup. Or more importantly for FIFA, it translates to lower viewing figures and therefore lower advertising revenue.
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While they may not be able to prevent players going, what are the chances of the big European FA's refuse to compete their teams in qualifying, or compete in their groups but refuse to attend if the issue isn't resolved by the end of the campaign? After all one or two of them got robbed of the hosting themselves. While one would argue that the recent tournament wouldn't have missed the contributions of Germany and Spain (bar the Portugal match), and the likes of Holland and Italy didn't even qualify, these losses of form are a blip- the world wants to see these four at the tournament, they will be back to normal service soon enough. A boycott by the big European teams cheapens any achievement that Brazil etc may have in storming to the final by beating lesser European teams that normally wouldn't have qualified, relegating the WC to the same prestige as the Confederations Cup. Or more importantly for FIFA, it translates to lower viewing figures and therefore lower advertising revenue.
I won't say it can't happen, but remember the Spanish FA and Qatar are quite cordial, some of the various FA's are separate from their leagues (why would the FA punish English players to the theoretical benefit of a league (the EPL) that they don't even run). Dutch FA need the money that qualification brings after two failures, Italian FA wouldn't put the Swiss/Italian Infantino in a bind, Germans tend to be pragmatic about these things.
So no, I can't see it. Wanting it and it being a runner are two very different things. No-one that matters really wants a schism in football.
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