Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

suicide_circus · 16-03-2020 3:18pm

Kivaro wrote: »

The 140,000 who woke up this morning without jobs might find that situation a tad unfair.

i'd say an awful lot of these are migrants in the service industry

Kivaro · 16-03-2020 3:32pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

i'd say an awful lot of these are migrants in the service industry

Who indeed deserves social protection.
If they worked here, then they should get all the help due to them.
My local community is enhanced by working migrants, who are socially conscious, work for a living, and contribute positively to society. I have more in common with them than the lazy indigenous who treat welfare as a lifestyle.

We need to remember though that there is a huge difference between working migrants and asylum scammers (economic migrants) who's sole purpose is access to a (once) very generous welfare system.

If anything is derived from this Covid-19 crisis, it's the need for a complete overhaul of the social welfare system. €750,000,000 every year for the social welfare Christmas bonus? How many ventilators could we buy with that type of money?

alastair · 16-03-2020 6:07pm

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I'm sure if the scheme was an actual success you'd have posted a link with some hard evidence a long time ago, rather than relying on anecdotal evidence.

You are, are you? Have you considered the possibility that I’ve no interest in proving the point to you? As in none. Like I said - I know if two - both of which have been very successful.

jmreire · 16-03-2020 7:05pm

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I'm sure if the scheme was an actual success you'd have posted a link with some hard evidence a long time ago, rather than relying on anecdotal evidence.

Because Alistair is right in what he says.....the Irish Red Cross did advertise for households to accept Syrian refugee's, and a Nr. of households accepted them. I'd have to check back through the files now to confirm the exact figures, but it did happen.

16-03-2020 8:09pm

jmreire wrote: »

Because Alistair is right in what he says.....the Irish Red Cross did advertise for households to accept Syrian refugee's, and a Nr. of households accepted them. I'd have to check back through the files now to confirm the exact figures, but it did happen.

When you do check your files, could you also find out how long a period they stayed with their host?

alastair · 16-03-2020 8:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

When you do check your files, could you also find out how long a period they stayed with their host?

It’s been at least two years with one of the households I’m aware of so far, less than a year for the other.

jmreire · 16-03-2020 8:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

When you do check your files, could you also find out how long a period they stayed with their host?

Appeal was made in 2015, and a total of 47 refugees, made up of 11 families and 19 single people, have been accommodated. Since then,most of these people would have "made their own way" assisted by the IRC. I don't have the exact detail's to hand as to who stayed where and for how long , and where they ended up ( I'm now retired, but could probably still get them though with a bit of inquiring )
But the bottom line is that, as Alastair said, the IRC were running a program to house Syrian refugee's. And they are still involved with refugees. In the past, during the war in Bosnia, they helped many Balkan refugees Croats, Serb's and Bosnian's to settle here, and they are now more Irish than the Irish themselves...I still meet a few of them occasionally.

enricoh · 16-03-2020 8:45pm

There's 150k people out of work in the last week alone from Corona virus. God knows what the final figure will be and how many billion it'll cost. We're the third most heavily indebted country in the developed world iirc.

At what stage does the penny drop that we can't afford to take anymore?!

16-03-2020 8:53pm

enricoh wrote: »

There's 150k people out of work in the last week alone from Corona virus. God knows what the final figure will be and how many billion it'll cost. We're the third most heavily indebted country in the developed world iirc.

At what stage does the penny drop that we can't afford to take anymore?!

It never will.

That's pretty much a given now.

Kivaro · 17-03-2020 10:32am

I think that it is extraordinary that 150 asylum seekers who are currently being housed in Dublin hotels are now being moved to a small town on the west coast of Kerry.

Surely this renovated-hotel-for-asylum-seekers in Cahersiveen should be utilised instead to house vulnerable people of all ages where Covid-19 will be lethal and a probable death sentence to them if contracted? Especially for the immune-comprised or people with underlying health conditions who live in a Covid-19 epicenter like Dublin.

There will be a glut of hotel rooms available in Dublin in the coming weeks and months, so there will be plenty of room to house asylum seekers.
This move of asylum seekers to the hotel in the centre of the town, according to the Department of Justice & Equality, is part of its emergency response to Covid-19. As usual, there was no consultation with local people or public representatives on the move. Apparently the Department of Justice earlier this year denied that there were plans for a direct provision centre for the town of Cahersiveen.
It seemed they lied.

This is an intolerable, untimely, and unfair decision by the government. More so to do it during a historical pandemic when the local population and local services are already under enormous strain.
More here.

iebamm2580 · 18-03-2020 10:52pm

Posted in another thread that it really is amazing how there is no mention of the migrants on the Greece border now since the virus kicked off. Just shows media for what it is.

AlekSmart · 19-03-2020 1:36pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Posted in another thread that it really is amazing how there is no mention of the migrants on the Greece border now since the virus kicked off. Just shows media for what it is.

Outa sight-Outa mind,that's the reality of it.

Bearing in mind that much of the mainstream media is heavily biased towards increasing and maintaining the inward flow of migrants,supposedly from wartorn regions,it is surely not in their interest to cease coverage ?

However,even the most supportive liberal thinking,all-embracing doey eyed freeman citizen of the World will revert to the basic human law of self-preservation when presented with taking that personal decision.

Several thousand unvetted,non Corona assessed people,ALL wanting to come to YOUR Town/Village/House in order to assimilate and bring the benefits of their society to 'ours'....yes ?

I believe the savvy media folk know when to fold their tents and slide silently away until their star once again is in the ascendancy.

The reality for the genuine Syrian refugees is they have left one war zone for another,possibly more dangerous one,with little real welcome now available to them.

As for the rest of the throng,who have blighted the cause of the Syrians since the beginning,they will continue to do their best to break through any security and melt into the welcoming bosom of the detested unbelieving Western World.

Interesting times indeed.

Kivaro · 19-03-2020 2:31pm

I see that the Irish Times and RTE are still pushing the plight of asylum seekers on a daily basis even during this historical world pandemic. The Irish Times last week complaining on how deadly it would be in Direct Provision centres if the virus hit these centres.
Note to the Irish Times: It would be deadly to Irish schools, hospitals, and places of businesses too ................ not just DP centres.
Does the liberal elite in the Irish Times and RTE want us to close down DP centres now and disperse Africans, Pakistani, and other people with dissimilar cultures to us to people's homes around the country?

When this virus crisis has passed ............ if it ever passes ............. I certainly hope that there can be a national discussion on the migration of non-EU economic migrants into Ireland. It is only fair that the people are allowed input into this policy since it affects all our lives.
Sinn Fein and the other parties that support unlimited non-EU migration will need to adjust their stance of "no discussion" just because it involves migrants.

AlekSmart · 19-03-2020 5:37pm

Kivaro wrote: »

I see that the Irish Times and RTE are still pushing the plight of asylum seekers on a daily basis even during this historical world pandemic. The Irish Times last week complaining on how deadly it would be in Direct Provision centres if the virus hit these centres.
Note to the Irish Times: It would be deadly to Irish schools, hospitals, and places of businesses too ................ not just DP centres.
Does the liberal elite in the Irish Times and RTE want us to close down DP centres now and disperse Africans, Pakistani, and other people with dissimilar cultures to us to people's homes around the country?

When this virus crisis has passed ............ if it ever passes ............. I certainly hope that there can be a national discussion on the migration of non-EU economic migrants into Ireland. It is only fair that the people are allowed input into this policy since it affects all our lives.
Sinn Fein and the other parties that support unlimited non-EU migration will need to adjust their stance of "no discussion" just because it involves migrants.

Indeed they might need to adjust their sets....perhaps beginning with the lower hanging fruit in terms of beliefs and their impact upon our own domestic setup....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0319/1124039-bangladesh-coronavirus/

Local police chief Tota Miah said some 10,000 Muslims gathered in an open field in Raipur town in southern Bangladesh to pray "healing verses" from the Koran to rid the country of the deadly virus.

"They held the Khatme Shifa prayers after dawn to free the country from the coronavirus."

Organisers claimed the number of worshippers was 25,000.

old_aussie · 20-03-2020 2:00am

NO !

UrbanSprawl · 20-03-2020 3:07am

only a suicidal fool would argue this is a good idea .

nigeldaniel · 20-03-2020 10:17am

I am afraid the answer is no. take in 100, take in 1000, or 10000 and the problem is still going to be there. The issues with migrants and refugees, in general, will always be there until a green zone is created and enforced by the UN in their country.. none of this peacekeeping stuff either the UN needs to be able to hit back when under attack and they need full military support in their work not just token patroles. NATO is also an option but would require a lot of new planning

jmreire · 20-03-2020 12:46pm

In the present situation, Country's are closing their borders anyway...to everyone except their own nationals returning home. This will increase as the crisis deepens.

Eric Cartman · 20-03-2020 1:03pm

jmreire wrote: »

In the present situation, Country's are closing their borders anyway...to everyone except their own nationals returning home. This will increase as the crisis deepens.

hopefully very slow in re-opening them too.

cj maxx · 20-03-2020 2:01pm

To the OP . No

Clarence Boddiker · 20-03-2020 2:02pm

New DP centre for Caherciveen in Kerry, whilst all the hotels in the country are shut due to the virus and we're all told to isolate and keep our distance the govt are putting 100 people together in a hotel.....hmmmmm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welcome-committee-set-up-for-asylum-seekers-arriving-in-co-kerry-1.4205990?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fwelcome-committee-set-up-for-asylum-seekers-arriving-in-co-kerry-1.4205990

Kivaro · 20-03-2020 4:08pm

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

New DP centre for Caherciveen in Kerry, whilst all the hotels in the country are shut due to the virus and we're all told to isolate and keep our distance the govt are putting 100 people together in a hotel.....hmmmmm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/welcome-committee-set-up-for-asylum-seekers-arriving-in-co-kerry-1.4205990?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fwelcome-committee-set-up-for-asylum-seekers-arriving-in-co-kerry-1.4205990

150 asylum seekers I believe. It will totally skew the population of the small town.
And they want the hospitality workers who lost their jobs this week in Killarney to go working in the asylum hotel.

Surreal world .......

enricoh · 20-03-2020 5:39pm

Kivaro wrote: »

150 asylum seekers I believe. It will totally skew the population of the small town.
And they want the hospitality workers who lost their jobs this week in Killarney to go working in the asylum hotel.

Surreal world .......

Could be one of the very few growth industry's this year?!!
Bankrupt Paddy will keep taking them and giving the spoofers leave to remain - it'd be rude not to!

Blueshoe · 21-03-2020 12:57am

Your Local TD wrote: »

We should take in 0.

-1500.
Remove instead of adding.
As buff Egan would say "Out Out"

davidglanza · 21-03-2020 1:29am

Definitely NO

statesaver · 22-03-2020 1:18am

Once this crisis is over and all European countries are in an economic depression, there will be no money to bring in migrants to houses them, feed them, social welfare payments. None.

22-03-2020 10:22am

statesaver wrote: »

Once this crisis is over and all European countries are in an economic depression, there will be no money to bring in migrants to houses them, feed them, social welfare payments. None.

You really think that will stop the demands that Western countries help? Even during Irelands recession, people were still giving large amount of aid payments to Africa, and other charities. Go back to when Ireland was a relatively poor country, and you'll still see demands that Irish people should help those in need.

Migration (of whatever type) is not going to stop.

Kivaro · 22-03-2020 11:06am

Deleted User wrote: »

You really think that will stop the demands that Western countries help? Even during Irelands recession, people were still giving large amount of aid payments to Africa, and other charities. Go back to when Ireland was a relatively poor country, and you'll still see demands that Irish people should help those in need.

Migration (of whatever type) is not going to stop.

The working migrants will be a benefit to the country. What we need to do going forward is to stop the migration that involves the migrants who sole purpose in picking Ireland is a lifetime on social welfare, free housing and free healthcare.
When/if this crisis finally ends, there is no way that Ireland can sustain the social welfare bill. The government is currently borrowing money to pay for a lot of new programs plus the welfare bill.

I believe that a lot of countries in Europe will change their stance on non-EU migration in the coming months. Ireland can not virtue signal on this issue anymore. The country needs to focus on the needs of the people already here, who are going to struggle to survive for years to come.

22-03-2020 11:17am

Kivaro wrote: »

The working migrants will be a benefit to the country. What we need to do going forward is to stop the migration that involves the migrants who sole purpose in picking Ireland is a lifetime on social welfare, free housing and free healthcare.
When/if this crisis finally ends, there is no way that Ireland can sustain the social welfare bill. The government is currently borrowing money to pay for a lot of new programs plus the welfare bill.

I believe that a lot of countries in Europe will change their stance on non-EU migration in the coming months. Ireland can not virtue signal on this issue anymore. The country needs to focus on the needs of the people already here, who are going to struggle to survive for years to come.

I agree. There needs to be more done in terms of education to prepare migrants (and the unemployed) to be able to work in long-term viable professions. Automation is a thing. It will be brought in to vastly decrease many lower end professions which migrants currently avail of.

Basically, there needs to be a solid initiative of integration and lifting people so that they can work to provide a good standard of care for their families... right now, the focus isn't there.

rgossip30 · 26-03-2020 5:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree. There needs to be more done in terms of education to prepare migrants (and the unemployed) to be able to work in long-term viable professions. Automation is a thing. It will be brought in to vastly decrease many lower end professions which migrants currently avail of.

Basically, there needs to be a solid initiative of integration and lifting people so that they can work to provide a good standard of care for their families... right now, the focus isn't there.

I think most of those in Turkey being pushed into Europe are former fighters against the assad regime . I doubt any feeble attempt at integration will make any difference to jihads .

McGiver · 26-03-2020 6:53am

Kivaro wrote:

The working migrants will be a benefit to the country. What we need to do going forward is to stop the migration that involves the migrants who sole purpose in picking Ireland is a lifetime on social welfare, free housing and free healthcare. When/if this crisis finally ends, there is no way that Ireland can sustain the social welfare bill. The government is currently borrowing money to pay for a lot of new programs plus the welfare bill.

Can you please quantify the "social welfare bill"?

Specifically with relation to migrants who are "lifetime on social welfare, free housing and free healthcare".

rgossip30 · 26-03-2020 8:43am

McGiver wrote: »

Can you please quantify the "social welfare bill"?

Specifically with relation to migrants who are "lifetime on social welfare, free housing and free healthcare".

Difficult to quantify in Euro as social welfare does not publish such figures for nationality cost .

The link below from the 2016 census shows that non EU have higher rates of unemployment see the nationality graph .Those who got Irish citizenship who put this on the census maybe are regarded as irish .

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp11eoi/cp11eoi/lfnmfl/

A link from the Irish Times in 2018 on this issue of unemployment .

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/most-immigrants-doing-better-than-locals-but-africans-doing-worse-esri-1.3688697

Kivaro · 26-03-2020 3:36pm

If we look at the statistic that only 40% of Africans who reside in Ireland, work in Ireland; that is a large number of people that Irish workers have to support. And that was before the current economic implosion.

Even if this worldwide crisis abates, Ireland cannot indefinitely take in economic refugees from all over the globe in the guise of asylum applicants. The well-financed and seasoned lobbyists of asylum NGO CEOs in Ireland will do their utmost to keep their gravy train afloat by using every excuse under the sun to continue flooding Ireland with non-EU migrants.

suicide_circus · 26-03-2020 5:32pm

Kivaro wrote: »

If we look at the statistic that only 40% of Africans who reside in Ireland, work in Ireland; that is a large number of people that Irish workers have to support. And that was before the current economic implosion.

Even if this worldwide crisis abates, Ireland cannot indefinitely take in economic refugees from all over the globe in the guise of asylum applicants. The well-financed and seasoned lobbyists of asylum NGO CEOs in Ireland will do their utmost to keep their gravy train afloat by using every excuse under the sun to continue flooding Ireland with non-EU migrants.

the cynicism in this post is matched only by those who feed off said gravy train.

26-03-2020 7:53pm

Kivaro wrote: »

If we look at the statistic that only 40% of Africans who reside in Ireland, work in Ireland; that is a large number of people that Irish workers have to support. And that was before the current economic implosion.

Even if this worldwide crisis abates, Ireland cannot indefinitely take in economic refugees from all over the globe in the guise of asylum applicants. The well-financed and seasoned lobbyists of asylum NGO CEOs in Ireland will do their utmost to keep their gravy train afloat by using every excuse under the sun to continue flooding Ireland with non-EU migrants.

Crazy amounts of money is spent on solicitor fees related to the asylum industry too.

DelaneyIn · 05-04-2020 1:13pm

A Sudanese asylum seeker went on to commit a terror attack in Paris yesterday.

https://www.dw.com/en/france-launches-terror-probe-after-two-killed-in-stabbing/a-53017910

How can a single person on the continent think that it's acceptable to allow boat-loads of people with no qualifications, documents, medical or criminal records to arrive in Europe at an uncontrolled rate? Oh wait, because the people that allow this don't have to deal with them and/or profit from businesses that hire illegal workers. It's an absolute disgrace. Those who push for open borders are dangerous people.

nthclare · 05-04-2020 1:38pm

We've nothing here to support emigration at this time.
Im living in the middle of a rural area and the nearest house is a nice walk away.
But I still am not saying that I'm alright Jack, open up the flood gates.

I'm going to have to be practical here and suggest allowing a heap of migrants in so as the ivory tower people can tick off a few boxes, is madness and unfair to be undermining migrants and be enslaving them here to do the work that is capable of being done by ourselves.

Its a double edged sword, the bellends here won't pay a proper wage for the Irish and then they'll employ migrants on the cheap.

Therefore screwing everyone.

I often see the South Americans in Gort lined up waiting to be picked up by a farmer or landscaper to work for the day.

Some get 80 euro a day, others supposedly 120 euro a day.
They're hard workers and came here legitimately and legally to work in the meat industry.
Similar cultures to ourselves and no trouble or shell shocked from war, indoctrination by false religious teachings etc

If people are going to be brought here, they should be getting therapy, thought about moderate living and that it's not their religion which is the problem but the false interpretation of it.

I read all the holy books and different translations, I'm not a Christian myself but I know that that holy book the Bible is as dangerous as any other holy book in the wrong hands.

We can't be letting in every rag tag without being looked after first, imagine someone coming from a war zone intent on killing us, just one out of a thousand could go on a rampage and stab people indiscriminately on a busy street.

Ones too many a thousand never enough.

tropicalbeach · 05-04-2020 1:44pm

Yes Ireland and the rest of the EU plus Non-EU should help anyway then can including taking refugees in... not economic refugees,, but refugees from persecution and terror and violence.

1800_Ladladlad · 05-04-2020 2:04pm

tropicalbeach wrote: »

Yes Ireland and the rest of the EU plus Non-EU should help anyway then can including taking refugees in... not economic refugees,, but refugees from persecution and terror and violence.

How many can we sign you up for?

_Kaiser_ · 05-04-2020 2:05pm

tropicalbeach wrote: »

Yes Ireland and the rest of the EU plus Non-EU should help anyway then can including taking refugees in... not economic refugees,, but refugees from persecution and terror and violence.

And where do you propose to put them, how do you plan to pay to house, feed, clothe and provide medical care for them? How do you propose to verify that they are what they claim?

Plus with European countries struggling to deal with the Covid crisis and the strain on health care, economies and the impact on the population, this is frankly a non-runner at the moment anyway.

I'll also ask. Why should we? Ireland has enough problems as it is that we can't deal with, without taking on more. We're not responsible for the problems in these countries and we already provide peace keeping forces and several hundred million annually in aid packages.
Not bad for a small island with a population of less than 5 million. We've done/are already doing our part

Helping does not mean bringing the problem home.

iebamm2580 · 05-04-2020 2:08pm

but but but irish people went here and there years ago.

rgossip30 · 05-04-2020 2:15pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

but but but irish people went here and there years ago.

Yeah the old reply they worked and did not get handouts .

tropicalbeach · 05-04-2020 2:58pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

How many can we sign you up for?

i'll take in as many as you

tropicalbeach · 05-04-2020 3:02pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And where do you propose to put them, how do you plan to pay to house, feed, clothe and provide medical care for them? How do you propose to verify that they are what they claim?

Plus with European countries struggling to deal with the Covid crisis and the strain on health care, economies and the impact on the population, this is frankly a non-runner at the moment anyway.

I'll also ask. Why should we? Ireland has enough problems as it is that we can't deal with, without taking on more. We're not responsible for the problems in these countries and we already provide peace keeping forces and several hundred million annually in aid packages.
Not bad for a small island with a population of less than 5 million. We've done/are already doing our part

Helping does not mean bringing the problem home.

at least every country could make a start..say take 50 people..
that's a lot of people saved from death/terror/terrible conditions.
I know Ireland has done a lot on the international stage but every country should have to take in a certain amount of refugees based on their
resources..but 50 each country would be a start..

Kivaro · 05-04-2020 3:41pm

Ireland has currently almost 8,000 asylum seekers in Direct Provisions centres and hotels all around this country at the moment, while their lengthy and expensive asylum claims are being processed. We have already given many tens of thousands of other asylum seekers refugee status, and we are housing these tens of thousands, and providing them with welfare payments, free health and education. Not all remain on welfare, but many do.
And another point to remember is that we are also sending almost a €1 billion overseas in other aid.

We have done enough. With the upcoming global depression, the Irish worker just cannot afford to sustain our generous helping hand anymore.
We need to focus on keeping our own population alive during this deadly pandemic and all of the country's financial resources are needed for the negative economic consequences that may last for many years to come.

Leave us alone about taking in any more migrants; we have enough on our plates.

Galwayguy35 · 05-04-2020 4:11pm

tropicalbeach wrote: »

Yes Ireland and the rest of the EU plus Non-EU should help anyway then can including taking refugees in... not economic refugees,, but refugees from persecution and terror and violence.

I've no objection to helping Syrians out and we are doing that but that's all we should take in from now on.

Africa will be rotten with covid 19 in a few months so the European door needs to be frimly shut to that continent.

DelaneyIn · 05-04-2020 4:13pm

tropicalbeach wrote: »

Yes Ireland and the rest of the EU plus Non-EU should help anyway then can including taking refugees in... not economic refugees,, but refugees from persecution and terror and violence.

When you think that in the past few years, we have been cutting down on essential services while importing more and more illegal immigrants that don't even want to be there. This Sudanese asshole said that he hated living in France because there were too many infidels...

Imagine using money to improve the conditions of our own people, instead of using it to provide upkeep for those who hate us with fiery passion and want to kill us, and destroy our culture, replacing it with the same extremism with which they claim to be fleeing from.

rgossip30 · 06-04-2020 9:58am

Some lovely Congolese lads in Greece . I hear Leo wants to bring in some unaccompanied minors from Greece ! !!

We are not here to integrate but to dominate .

https://www.facebook.com/EllinikaSnaps/videos/536424117271421/?t=0

Sultan of Bling · 06-04-2020 2:26pm

rgossip30 wrote:

Some lovely Congolese lads in Greece . I hear Leo wants to bring in some unaccompanied minors from Greece ! !! We are not here to integrate but to dominate .

Jesus they look off their heads.

I feel sorry for the people they're carrying out brain surgery on tomorrow.

Nesta2018 · 06-04-2020 8:16pm

The surge in asylum seekers began in the late 90s, fuelled by the Good Friday Agreement loophole, the booming economy and the internet, which allowed news to travel very quickly. So we've had over 20 years now to assess the results. Broadly speaking, the majority of asylum seekers are deemed to have no valid claim for asylum and have managed to stay through having children (pre 2004), leave to remain after many appeals, or simply disappearing after a deportation order was issued. I've always thought it was an unpromising start - that for most, their very presence here is based on a lie, which has been exacerbated by the Irish media's Pravda-esque refusal to even admit that this is the case.

It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I've known Irish people who were well-meaning and welcoming to newcomers in the belief that they were refugees fleeing injustice, and who spoke up for them and gave generously of their time and money, only to end up feeling rather foolish when the "refugees", as soon as they got residency and social housing, would go on months-long holidays in their home country every year, drive around in expensive cars and zip back and forth to the UK on some unspecified "business" while rarely having any kind of conventional job. Sorry if that's a stereotype but I'm afraid it's true in many cases. It trashes the goodwill that might have been extended to more deserving recipients of help. People don't like being taken for mugs.

Should Ireland and the rest of Europe take in more migrants based in Turkey?

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