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Las Vegas Shooting

  • 02-10-2017 10:00pm
    #1
    Overheal
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    I was ready for business as usual in America when a guy with only a speeding ticket to his name reportedly killed over 50 and injured around 400 people at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas using a machine gun - its unclear exactly from multiple reports, that say it was a machine gun or possibly a hacked system, like a rotary trigger.

    Earlier this morning we got reports from bystanders https://www.mediaite.com/tv/las-vegas-shooting-witness-woman-warned-us-we-were-all-going-to-die-tonight-minutes-before-attack/ of a woman who was making a scene at the concert less than an hour before the shooting,
    Brianna Hendricks, who attended the Route 91 Harvest Festival with her mother to celebrate her 21st birthday, described the moment a woman screamed “they’re all around…you’re all going to ****ing die today,” as reported the Daily Mail.

    “There was a lady who pushed her way forward into the concert venue and into the first row, and she started messing with another lady, and told us that we were all going to die tonight,” Hendricks told KSNV.

    “It was about 45 minutes before the shots were actually fired,” she continued. “But then she was escorted out by security.”

    Hendricks and her mother left the concert before the shooting began, and heard the shots ring out just as they returned to their room.

    “Obviously she was telling us that — either to warn us, or to warn us that we were all going to die and she was part of it,” Hendricks added.

    Hendricks described the woman and a man she was with as Hispanic and about 5-foot-5.

    Police and "numerous sources" also indicated the shooter was traveling with an accomplice https://www.mediaite.com/online/focus-now-turns-to-las-vegas-shooter-companion-marliou-danley/ but a few hours later, that 'fake news?' was updated with an alibi.

    And now, to make it really CT'able, there's this footage which posits to show that despite the shooter being on the 32nd floor, reportedly, that muzzle flashes came from the 4th floor

    https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoicetv/videos/988094561337985/

    And maybe its because its the worst shooting in US history, but LVPD released audio from their breach of his hotel room (reportedly) https://www.mediaite.com/tv/listen-las-vegas-pd-breach-shooter-stephen-paddocks-hotel-room/

    Timeline of events: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-events.html


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  • #2
    luketitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭luketitz


    Interesting those flashes on 4th floor, jaysus


  • #3
    UpBack1234
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭UpBack1234


    I was waiting for the boringly predictable conspiracy theories to come out about this. It can't just be some sad nutter murdering those poor people, there has to be some shady unspoken forces behind it all. When it comes to conspiracies I generally attribute their prevalence to people simply being unable to handle the prosaic brutality of something like this and just needing a bigger narrative to comfort themselves.


  • #4
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Another false flag, this time they'll get all the guns they missed last time.


  • #5
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And of course, the conspiracy theory yet again relies on the notion that the shadowy masterminds would try to accomplish their plot in the most complicated way for no other reason than they seem to want to give people clues. (Clues that are available through reporting the main stream media that is easily findable on the internet without getting off a keyboard.)

    If some conspirators wanted to pull this off they would have just hired a single shooter and let him do exactly what this shooter seems to have done.

    But I'm sure this is really it and that Trump is the one who's finally going to take away people's guns...


  • #6
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    King Mob wrote: »
    And of course, the conspiracy theory yet again relies on the notion that the shadowy masterminds would try to accomplish their plot in the most complicated way for no other reason than they seem to want to give people clues. (Clues that are available through reporting the main stream media that is easily findable on the internet without getting off a keyboard.)

    If some conspirators wanted to pull this off they would have just hired a single shooter and let him do exactly what this shooter seems to have done.

    But I'm sure this is really it and that Trump is the one who's finally going to take away people's guns...

    It doesn't really matter. The most blatant crime could be committed by government with video evidence and still it would be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are so routinely discredited that actual conspiracies would also be dismissed.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #7
    Overheal
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    Another video showing the same as the first

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJ9FNdlPZ8


  • #8
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    It doesn't really matter. The most blatant crime could be committed by government with video evidence and still it would be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are so routinely discredited that actual conspiracies would also be dismissed.
    Then that's rather the fault of the people selling, promoting and swallowing the nonsense conspiracy theories no?

    Maybe they should have some standards of evidence or investigation rather than jumping on nonsensical stuff like the idea that they are using crisis actors and multiple shooters and dropping clues.

    But just the same, people are going to invent conspiracies for every event...

    So do you believe that if this event was part of a conspiracy? If so, why? And why would the shadowy cabal want to drop so many hints?


  • #9
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Interesting and telling snapshot of comments from toxic pro-Trump group "The_Donald" before and after hearing the shooter was a white male

    https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/7402bj/the_donald_after_learning_the_las_vegas_shooter/

    Conspiracy forums already scrambling to group-formulate a conspiracy out of this


  • #10
    Stonedpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    I hope people here are mature enough to look at this with an open mind.

    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing. If someone opens fire at a large crowd there will be pandemonium and with 50 dead and at least 500 injured it would seem their would be some blood or wounded at the least. I mean that amount of ammo would have the place looking like a slaughterhouse. Sheer terror. Nope the official photos released show people clean as whistles and cool as cucumbers.

    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either. Accountant who lives in a retirement home has a hooker pay for his room, has millions in available cash, has more weapons (allegedly) than a small army, has no motive whatsoever goes berserk and wants to kill hundreds?. Why?
    Mind control?. What?.

    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    Why had none of the injured being carried away have even a drop of blood on them?. Thousands in attendance not one photo of the wounded.

    The obvious photoshopped image of the hotel windows shot released to the press.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Most will buy the nonsense official narrative hook line and sinker sadly but any massacre ever had bodies and had blood.

    This thing seems like a psy ops.

    Thoughts?.


  • #11
    Silane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭Silane


    I think Niburu hit the concert and thats what caused the casualties, but the government are trying to cover it up.


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  • #12
    Sleeper12
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    I know I shouldn't even reply but here goes.

    The whole area is a giant crime scene. It is in lockdown so the press won't get to take photos of blood for the morbidly inclined.

    More than 22k people were in the audience. All of these witnessed the gunshots. Many thousands witnessed 550 victims getting shot or trampled on.

    They have already started naming some of the deceased. Photos of some are online. There will be 60 or more funerals.

    This would have to be a very big conspiracy.


  • #13
    myshirt
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    I put this in the same category as those guys who presented photos of an aeroplane in flight at 10,000 feet and asked that if God didn't exist, then explain who took these photos?


  • #14
    Den14
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    An interesting post [stonedpilot] but I agree with some it's maybe bit far fetched perhaps. You've thrown a mighty amount of theories into the ring!!
    What I'm wondering about is that mysterious woman who supposedly warned people during the gig that their lives we're in danger. Anybody hear anymore about her?


  • #15
    Danzy
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    It was like the whack jobs who said the Manchester arena bombing were false flags with actors etc.

    People who couldn't find Manchester on a map.

    I know a person who was at the gig on the night and they'll carry what they saw for years to come.

    People need to realize there is more than some ****ty youtube video to life, it is actually more varied than Youtube, mindblowing I know.


  • #16
    Doltanian
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    There is no denying it happened, however I think that guy is a patsy; he doesn't seem to fit the bill. If we see any sort of gun-regulation or control then it looks like a setup to me.


  • #17
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    I do not know about false flag, but looking at some stuff online, it looks like there is some evidence that there was perhaps a second shooter?

    Has anyone seen this footage?


  • #18
    Gringo180
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    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    I do not know about false flag, but looking at some stuff online, it looks like there is some evidence that there was perhaps a second shooter?

    Has anyone seen this footage?

    Yes. There was what seemed like gunshot flashes coming from a lower floor. A good distance away from where Paddock was shooting from.


  • #19
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Yes. There was what seemed like gunshot flashes coming from a lower floor. A good distance away from where Paddock was shooting from.

    This is what I have seen, I was wondering it possible it could be a reflection but, the flashes in the lower floor seem to be independant from the loation he was found.


  • #20
    Gringo180
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    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    This is what I have seen, I was wondering it possible it could be a reflection but, the flashes in the lower floor seem to be independant from the loation he was found.

    Its the one thing I cant get me head around. The flashes on the lower floor where in sync with the noise of gunshots also. Mad.


  • #21
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Its the one thing I cant get me head around. The flashes on the lower floor where in sync with the noise of gunshots also. Mad.

    I have seen two different videos from different locations.

    This one is someone leaving the hotel



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  • #22
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Stonedpilot wrote: »

    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing.

    Right here (NSFW)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/73xf9r/aftermath_of_las_vegas_shooting/

    Most domestic media outlets generally try not to splatter these over the front of their newspapers out of respect for the dead and their family members
    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Multiple photos/videos available online during and after the attacks of people panicking/running/screaming/hiding with the shots clearly audible

    e.g. (NSFW)
    https://twitter.com/MseSourabh/status/915059182499328001
    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either.

    They can't figure out his motive yet. It took them awhile to figure out the Aurora shooter's motive also (extreme mental issues mainly)


  • #23
    MadYaker
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    These conspiracy websites and forums tend to be frequented by ultra right wing types. Most seem to want to believe that it was either ISIS, zeor evidence for that obviously, and it's been dismissed by the FBI. Or else that it was some crazy left wingers, no evidence of that either.

    The most credible theory outside of the official narrative that I've heard so far is that this guy was trying to make a point about gun laws in the states. He aquired all these guns legally, along with the bump fire stocks and high capacity magazines, all legal. He brought what seems to be a gratoiutous amount of weaponry up to his hotel suite, 23 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo, more than he could ever use for this shooting, to highlight the absurd nature of gun laws in America and in the hope that by doing this the government might finally act. Also, that he was suicidal because he'd ruined his life with gambling deaths so he didn't mind dieing. I think it's probably nonsense as well but there you go.


  • #24
    iLikeWaffles
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    I think what's really interesting here (poor choice of words probably) is in the second video of the footage in the crowd, two posts above, does not show any mussel flashes in either windows! It does show the camera panning and squares of light in windows all over the face of the building (Lets assume they are table lamps) and those squares of light seem to disappear. Whether that is from the camera focusing while being panned or the type of glass that is used to blind the outside view into room in the hotel or the curtains in the windows of the rooms** or not, who know's. Is it not possible that the flashing you see in the car footage is caused by the movement of the car?

    The car is moving what 20 - 30 mph there seems to be squares of light in a few windows around the same spot on different floors in both video's. **Could that be from the curtain/blinds that are in the hotel room, the lamp you see is in the room close to the curtain maybe and the curtain lace are just scrunched up/open in that particular room giving the appearance of flashing while the car is moving down the street at speed (around the building also).

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  • #25
    BoatMad
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    Stonedpilot wrote: »
    I hope people here are mature enough to look at this with an open mind.

    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing. If someone opens fire at a large crowd there will be pandemonium and with 50 dead and at least 500 injured it would seem their would be some blood or wounded at the least. I mean that amount of ammo would have the place looking like a slaughterhouse. Sheer terror. Nope the official photos released show people clean as whistles and cool as cucumbers.

    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either. Accountant who lives in a retirement home has a hooker pay for his room, has millions in available cash, has more weapons (allegedly) than a small army, has no motive whatsoever goes berserk and wants to kill hundreds?. Why?
    Mind control?. What?.

    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    Why had none of the injured being carried away have even a drop of blood on them?. Thousands in attendance not one photo of the wounded.

    The obvious photoshopped image of the hotel windows shot released to the press.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Most will buy the nonsense official narrative hook line and sinker sadly but any massacre ever had bodies and had blood.

    This thing seems like a psy ops.

    Thoughts?.
    Thoughts , the moon landing was faked, Elvis is Alive


  • #26
    BoatMad
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    These conspiracy websites and forums tend to be frequented by ultra right wing types. Most seem to want to believe that it was either ISIS, zeor evidence for that obviously, and it's been dismissed by the FBI. Or else that it was some crazy left wingers, no evidence of that either.

    The most credible theory outside of the official narrative that I've heard so far is that this guy was trying to make a point about gun laws in the states. He aquired all these guns legally, along with the bump fire stocks and high capacity magazines, all legal. He brought what seems to be a gratoiutous amount of weaponry up to his hotel suite, 23 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo, more than he could ever use for this shooting, to highlight the absurd nature of gun laws in America and in the hope that by doing this the government might finally act. Also, that he was suicidal because he'd ruined his life with gambling deaths so he didn't mind dieing. I think it's probably nonsense as well but there you go.

    People with essentially a political motivation like that , would tend to prepare some form of statement outlining their perspective.


  • #27
    BoatMad
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Another false flag, this time they'll get all the guns they missed last time.

    Sadly , you have more liberal gun laws coupled with effective weaponery then anytime in the recent past

    They didn't " come for your guns ' , they actually gave you more !


  • #28
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Could someone who's actually entertaining this nonsense explain the benefit of multiple secret shooters?

    Why do they need more that one person when they are only going to blame one person?

    If they needed more than one person, why would they not blame it on more than one person?

    What benefit was sending out someone to issue rambling warnings that no one listened to?

    Again it seems that the only reason they have for doing this for this incident and others is that they, much like the Riddler, are compelled to leave easily found clues that anyone with a keyboard can use to deduce their evil scheme.

    I don't think posting grainy camera phone footage and hour long youtube rants are going to be particularly convincing unless these questions are answered...


  • #29
    baldbear
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    This thread just shows how stupid people are. Always looking for a conspiracy.

    Could it be a case where a Man pissed off with life decides to take as many out with him when he tops himself?


  • #30
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    baldbear wrote: »
    This thread just shows how stupid people are. Always looking for a conspiracy.

    Could it be a case where a Man pissed off with life decides to take as many out with him when he tops himself?

    Not looking for conspiracy, let's take it one step at a time.
    The footage of what looks to be gun fire coming from the fourth floor looks very suspicious, it looks like gun fire?

    Unless anyone has a valid or reasonable explanation to what this is?


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  • #31
    K.Flyer
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    Stonedpilot wrote: »

    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    There were definitely sounds of two different automatic weapons being used.
    My guess is that he had two set up on tri-pods and was using them both at the same time. Easily done.


  • #32
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    There were definitely sounds of two different automatic weapons being used.
    My guess is that he had two set up on tri-pods and was using them both at the same time. Easily done.

    There is an audio clip of dispatch where it was said they think there might be two.


  • #33
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Not looking for conspiracy, let's take it one step at a time.
    The footage of what looks to be gun fire coming from the fourth floor looks very suspicious, it looks like gun fire?

    Unless anyone has a valid or reasonable explanation to what this is?
    Reflection from something.
    Faked footage by trolls.

    What's the other explanation?

    Are you going to ignore the questions I asked?


  • #34
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    King Mob wrote: »
    Reflection from something.
    Faked footage by trolls.

    What's the other explanation?

    Are you going to ignore the questions I asked?

    What questions have you asked?

    It is possible the videos are fake but there are more than one of them.
    Reflections of what? The actual shooter?
    Police dispatch also thought there was a shooter on the 4th floor as it was happening.

    The footage if it was fake was reported by CNN not long after it happened so someone would have had to edit it then send it to CNN pretty sharp.

    The second angle kind of makes it being fake unlikely.

    But could there be another explanation? Sure.... But as it looks it looks like gunfire.


  • #35
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    King Mob wrote: »
    Reflection from something.
    Faked footage by trolls.

    What's the other explanation?

    Are you going to ignore the questions I asked?

    Just reading back I see your questions.

    The the reasons why.... I have no answer, same way I have no answer to why this dude done this.
    I have no issue with the original story until I look at the footage.
    The footage if real looks very suspicious with regards the idea of possibly being a second shooter.


  • #36
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    What questions have you asked?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104866989&postcount=28

    These ones please.
    It's a bit pointless to answer your questions when the alternative you are obviously implying doesn't make any sense.

    If you can't answer those questions, then pretty much every explanation is much more reasonable than the silly notion of a conspiracy.


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  • #37
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Just reading back I see your questions.

    The the reasons why.... I have no answer, same way I have no answer to why this dude done this.
    I have no issue with the original story until I look at the footage.
    The footage if real looks very suspicious with regards the idea of possibly being a second shooter.
    So it's possible that there's a second shooter even though that it doesn't make sense...

    Can you see the issue people might have with the conspiracy theories?


  • #38
    Sexual Chocolate
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Reflection from something.
    Faked footage by trolls.

    What's the other explanation?

    Are you going to ignore the questions I asked?

    Someone using the strobe torch feature on their phone ? I've seen many people with this enabled when their phone rings.


  • #39
    ShowMeTheCash
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    King Mob wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104866989&postcount=28

    These ones please.
    It's a bit pointless to answer your questions when the alternative you are obviously implying doesn't make any sense.

    If you can't answer those questions, then pretty much every explanation is much more reasonable than the silly notion of a conspiracy.

    Your questions are erroneous.
    Your question is essentially "Why would they lie??". A question we cannot answer right up there with "Why did he shoot these people??"

    You are ignoring evidence, footage shows what looks to be possible second shooter.

    If is fake? Is it a reflection? What is it?

    What I am asking is based on visible footage, what you are asking is the motivation to do something which may never be known!


  • #40
    ShowMeTheCash
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    Sexual Chocolate wrote: »
    Someone using the strobe torch feature on their phone ? I've seen many people with this enabled when their phone rings.

    Possible, seem to be in sync with the gunfire, still suspicious.
    On the back if do you think it should just be ignored?

    At the exact same time a guy was hammering a ground with machine gun someone was sitting at the window with a strobe effect on their phone?


  • #41
    chewed
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    This might explain the flashing lights (alleged gunfire) from the lower windows

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpvVwsodHE


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  • #42
    ShowMeTheCash
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    chewed wrote: »
    This might explain the flashing lights (alleged gunfire) from the lower windows

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RpvVwsodHE

    No look at this video.

    This video was taken while it was still ongoing.
    The video you have is after the fact when ambulances arrived.



    What does this look like?
    There could be a reasonable explanation just not the one in the video you give.


  • #43
    King Mob
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    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Your questions are erroneous.
    Your question is essentially "Why would they lie??". A question we cannot answer right up there with "Why did he shoot these people??"

    You are ignoring evidence, footage shows what looks to be possible second shooter.

    If is fake? Is it a reflection? What is it?

    What I am asking is based on visible footage, what you are asking is the motivation to do something which may never be known!
    You've missed the point of the questions.
    If They were behind the shooting, they wouldn't need two. It makes no sense for them to add a secret second shooter it offers no benefit for them.
    You admit you cannot explain why they would need a second shooter.
    And further, the addition of a second shooter would be a detriment to their plot as obviously it seems to blow the whole conspiracy.

    So the idea they supplied a second shooter is silly.

    If you are going to break from most conspiracy theorists and suggest that it was a real shooting and that there were extra shooters, then it makes no sense for them to cover up the second shooter, least of which the fact that they weren't able to do so apparently.

    You don't have to provide an exact complete answer, but speculation of possible motives are easy to provide. Anyone can do that for the shooter.
    But you and conspiracy theorists cannot do that for the conspirators because the idea is inherently ridiculous.
    That's why people come out with notions like the illuminati are leaving clues because they are using tricksy satanist magic.

    So yea, unless you can provide some viable, reasonable answer to my questions, no one is going to find the conspiracy you're implying seriously.

    And it makes answering pedantic questions about the particulars of reasonable, mundane explanations pointless.


  • #44
    chewed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭chewed


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    No look at this video.

    This video was taken while it was still ongoing.
    The video you have is after the fact when ambulances arrived.



    What does this look like?
    There could be a reasonable explanation just not the one in the video you give.

    Why are you saying the flashing lights in the video I posted are not the same as the other video? In the other video, you can clearly see the lights still flashing even when the gunfire pauses.


  • #45
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    King Mob wrote: »
    You've missed the point of the questions.
    If They were behind the shooting, they wouldn't need two.

    Who is they? I have not made any speculation around a specific conspiracy.
    King Mob wrote: »
    It makes no sense for them to add a secret second shooter it offers no benefit for them.

    Again who are "them"
    You are now speculating.
    King Mob wrote: »
    You admit you cannot explain why they would need a second shooter.

    No I don't, again who are "they" what I have said is their is evidence that seems to show a second shooter, the question you are jumping too is why have the authorities not released any information if there was a second shooter? No idea, if there was a second shooter maybe they escaped? Who knows I am open to any theory if the footage is correct.
    King Mob wrote: »
    And further, the addition of a second shooter would be a detriment to their plot as obviously it seems to blow the whole conspiracy.
    Again "their" who are you referring to? and what plot? You seem to be the one that has completely went down the rabbit hole here to some kind of ultimate conspiracy conclusion.
    King Mob wrote: »
    So the idea they supplied a second shooter is silly.

    No your idea is silly, I am just trying to ascertain if the footage is fake or real and if real is it showing fun fire or something else?
    King Mob wrote: »
    If you are going to break from most conspiracy theorists and suggest that it was a real shooting and that there were extra shooters, then it makes no sense for them to cover up the second shooter, least of which the fact that they weren't able to do so apparently.

    You don't have to provide an exact complete answer, but speculation of possible motives are easy to provide. Anyone can do that for the shooter.
    But you and conspiracy theorists cannot do that for the conspirators because the idea is inherently ridiculous.
    That's why people come out with notions like the illuminati are leaving clues because they are using tricksy satanist magic.

    So yea, unless you can provide some viable, reasonable answer to my questions, no one is going to find the conspiracy you're implying seriously.

    And it makes answering pedantic questions about the particulars of reasonable, mundane explanations pointless.

    This is also why people believed Lee Harvey Oswald was the sole gunman was able to reload a type of rife that no expert marksman has been able to replicate and how a "magic bullet" defined the laws of physics.


  • #46
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    chewed wrote: »
    Why are you saying the flashing lights in the video I posted are not the same as the other video? In the other video, you can clearly see the lights still flashing even when the gunfire pauses.

    The video you posted only shows a reporter after it was all over? And the reflection of the blue light in the back ground?

    Gun fire and muzzle flashes will not always be in sync, I take on board there is a section where it looks like rapid flashes and a drop in the popping.
    But this looks like it was taken from a mobile phone.


  • #47
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Who is they? I have not made any speculation around a specific conspiracy.
    "They" being the authorities.

    So do you agree that the idea of the government being behind the shooting is silly? Or is it something you think is a reasonable explanation?
    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    the question you are jumping too is why have the authorities not released any information if there was a second shooter?
    There was no second shooter, all the "evidence" are simply things that conspiracy theorist jump onto, but really have mundane explanations.

    What other possible reason is there? Can you provide one?
    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    No your idea is silly, I am just trying to ascertain if the footage is fake or real and if real is it showing fun fire or something else?
    It's either fake or it shows something that is not gunfire.

    It cannot be showing gun fire as then it would mean that there are two shooters and the authorities would have announced there are two shooters by now.
    Unless you are suggesting that there was some sort of conspiracy...?


  • #48
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Possible, seem to be in sync with the gunfire, still suspicious.
    ShowMeTheCash wrote: »
    Gun fire and muzzle flashes will not always be in sync,
    So it's in sync with the muzzle flashes until it is not...?

    Here's a thought, maybe it's a constant flashing strobe across the street. This is not a crazy far out notion in Las Vegas.
    It only appears to be in sync for a brief moment, but it clearly doesn't match up exactly.
    And the only reason you don't see it the whole time is because there are palm trees passing in between the window and camera as the car drives by.


  • #49
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    King Mob wrote: »
    So it's in sync with the muzzle flashes until it is not...?

    Here's a thought, maybe it's a constant flashing strobe across the street. This is not a crazy far out notion in Las Vegas.
    It only appears to be in sync for a brief moment, but it clearly doesn't match up exactly.
    And the only reason you don't see it the whole time is because there are palm trees passing in between the window and camera as the car drives by.


    That is possible, but then we also have the dispatch, which talked about a possible shooter on the 4th floor.

    Then you take the footage I have just shown, the person in the car was recording the area of the flashes and said it seems to be coming from up there, points to the area of the flashes then says "Oh sh1t"...

    But I take on board they could of been mistaken.


  • #50
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    King Mob wrote: »
    So it's in sync with the muzzle flashes until it is not...?
    .

    It would never truly be in sync light and sound travel at different speeds.
    But then you have echo and then you have the fact it was being recorded on a cell phone that is processing video and audio which is not always happening at the same time.


  • #51
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    There were definitely sounds of two different automatic weapons being used.
    My guess is that he had two set up on tri-pods and was using them both at the same time. Easily done.

    Yep , the long gaps when he was supposedly reloading would probably explain this.

    He used 100 round magazines , the pictures from the room showed at least 15 of these.


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