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What defines a tenant and rights of the owner

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    LJ12345 wrote: »
    I’m finding this hard to believe. Where did you hear it? Airbnb have the payment information for these holiday homes and those payment details are associated with a separate ‘home’ address. I understand if a dispute arises after the Airbnb term and can be proved by the owner the renter can be charged by Airbnb. If they decide to stay on and they’re not invited to stay there, they’re trespassing.

    At some point its hard to tell the difference between a tenant or a licensee. As far as the RTA is concerned, 90 days to a single person who had exclusive use of the property is not a holiday let. Its a tenancy.

    Ignoring that, once they are in, have keys and have moved their stuff in, you can't rock up and turf it all onto the street. In most cases they are prepared to get physical and in the end, you went up and assaulted them. You have to go through the process, which takes months to years. Our police force will not lift a finger, its for the courts to decide.

    This isn't even a Irish problem and why would Airbnb advertise it. They can try to charge the person, who can just cancel their card or ignore the bills. In reality, once the tenant overholds its your problem from that point onwards.

    Since eviction has to go to the RTB first, then onto the courts and most airbnb landlords are effectively absentee from what I can see, its the perfect system for abuse and the usual crowd in Ireland picked up on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Ignoring that, once they are in, have keys and have moved their stuff in, you can't rock up and turf it all onto the street. In most cases they are prepared to get physical and in the end, you went up and assaulted them. You have to go through the process, which takes months to years. Our police force will not lift a finger, its for the courts to decide.

    If someone overstays on Airbnb the owner can remove them in the same ways as a hotel guest can. Irish law requires a tenancy to be founded on contract between the parties. Clearly in an air B&B agreement, the contract is for a licence to reside on a daily rate at the particular property.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Irish law requires a tenancy to be founded on contract between the parties

    Irish law requires exclusive use of the property and the RTA was amended in 2018 for short term lets. The Gaurd will remove somebody from a hotel room or BNB because they are clear in what they do and where they stand, they will not go to a "AirBnb" that somebody has been living in for months and remove them and their belongings without a court order. Its a civil dispute.

    And again, I'm not saying you can't evict them. I'm saying that the second those waters get muddied, its hands off by everybody until you prove otherwise in a court.

    Of course if you have the correct planning permission, have a license, rent on short term contracts to people on holiday in Ireland, have cleaners in regularly while they are staying there and have a door security system that lets you cut access, the guards might actually do something or ignore the requests to re-enter the property.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Irish law requires exclusive use of the property and the RTA was amended in 2018 for short term lets. The Gaurd will remove somebody from a hotel room or BNB because they are clear in what they do and where they stand, they will not go to a "AirBnb" that somebody has been living in for months and remove them and their belongings without a court order. Its a civil dispute.

    The residential tenancies acts were not amended in 2018.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    The residential tenancies acts were not amended in 2018.

    My apoligies, the residential tenancies act was amended in 2019 to address the AirBnB situation.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/act/14/section/38/enacted/en/html

    "‘short term letting’ means the letting of a house or part of a house for any period not exceeding 14 days, and includes a licence that permits the licensee to enter and reside in the house or part thereof for any such period in consideration of the making by any person (whether or not the licensee) of a payment or payments to the licensor.”."

    Once you go past 2 weeks and have exclusive use of the property what exactly says you are not a tenant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer



    Once you go past 2 weeks and have exclusive use of the property what exactly says you are not a tenant.

    Deasy's Act.
    Everything turns on how you entered the property If you went in as a tenant, you stay as a tenant. If you go in in some other capacity, staying on past the term can't make you a tenant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13 Priority seat


    THREAD UPDATE
    After never transferring the electricity into their name eventually the moratorium on disconnections expired ( due to the lockdown relaxing).
    After they were legally warned about disconnection and also advised same by the utility company they were finally cut off. They lasted about 1 hour without power and scurried off the sinking ship like the rats they are. Lock changed the same evening.
    We were left with damage and a mess but all easily rectified ,whereas the alternative was becoming too difficult to entertain ( they transfer the utility and claim unemployment and cant be touched until January 21 earliest)
    So we will be claiming damages and costs off the ‘agent’ for breaking just about every rule in the book and landing us in this mess.
    Thanks to all who contributed to this thread, hopefully it will prove informative for others who may face a similar situation.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Good to hear you have a relatively prompt resolution- had the 'tenants' decided to play the system it could have been far more protracted. The fact that they didn't even try to transfer utilities into their own names- speaks volumes.

    As this is now closed- I'm closing this thread.

    OP- if there are any further updates you'd like to advise- either update your post immediately preceding this post- or pop me a PM and I'll unlock the thread for you.


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