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(Mod Post #61)The news we've all been waiting for....

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  • #152
    bombidal
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭bombidal


    Some of the big boys must be getting a wee bit worried now


  • #153
    Fazz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    I hear ya...

    To gap lieto by 3mins + in a 90k Bike on a windy course....

    What's gonna happen in Kona?? Similar course!
    He's gonna have 10+ mins ahead onto the run course you'd imagine..

    So can he run a 2:55-2:57 to win it?
    He's gonna be close that's for sure.

    Great that Macca is now back and focussed in on it too.
    Can't wait for it.


  • #154
    mo_bhicycle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭mo_bhicycle


    Fazz wrote: »
    So can he run a 2:45-2:47 to win it?
    Given that he found it so hard to go sub-3 for the NYC marathon, while solely focusing on running and with an unbelievable team of pacers, how can he possibly run 2:45-2:47 after the swim and bike?


  • #155
    Fazz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Fazz


    mo_bhicycle wrote: »
    Given that he found it so hard to go sub-3 for the NYC marathon, while solely focusing on running and with an unbelievable team of pacers, how can he possibly run 2:45-2:47 after the swim and bike?

    Sorry meant 2:55 as in that's what he'll need to run as Crowie and Macca likely to be 2:45'er/s.


  • #156
    mo_bhicycle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭mo_bhicycle


    Fazz wrote: »
    mo_bhicycle wrote: »
    Given that he found it so hard to go sub-3 for the NYC marathon, while solely focusing on running and with an unbelievable team of pacers, how can he possibly run 2:45-2:47 after the swim and bike?

    Sorry meant 2:55 as in that's what he'll need to run as Crowie and Macca likely to be 2:45'er/s.
    For the pros, what's the usual increase in marathon time for a straight marathon vs at the end of an Ironman?


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  • #157
    Gringo78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    mo_bhicycle wrote: »
    Given that he found it so hard to go sub-3 for the NYC marathon, while solely focusing on running and with an unbelievable team of pacers, how can he possibly run 2:45-2:47 after the swim and bike?

    He subsequently ran a 2:46 marathon bout a year after. I imagine he is close enough to a 2:55 off the bike as things stand.


  • #158
    BTH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭BTH


    Gringo78 wrote: »
    He subsequently ran a 2:46 marathon bout a year after. I imagine he is close enough to a 2:55 off the bike as things stand.

    Without having followed this much, but its taken him what, 5/6 races to get his half run off the bike right, can he really be expected to get his full marathon run off the bike right in the second attempt? Doubt it.


  • #159
    MrCreosote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭MrCreosote


    He's doing Nice in a few weeks so should have a better idea then.

    How about Macca's comments?


    "There’s a lot of hype. I want to smash him. Look at his times. He’s probably a minute down on the swim on the fastest guys. I know he will ride to the front, he should – he’s best the cyclist in the world and has seven Tour de France wins to prove it, but this is triathlon and he has to run. I look at my strengths and his, and he won’t be able to run with me. Look at the performances in all his races. His run has fallen apart in the latter stages of the run in every race. I run for dough and he doesn’t run as well. I look forward to it. You can’t do that if you want to win Kona. Lance I am better than you. Bring it on. I can’t wait to race him."

    http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2012/06/01/interview-chris-mccormack-on-the-olympics-and-beating-lance-armstrong/


  • #160
    bombidal
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭bombidal


    has any male won Kona first time out in the last 20 years?... from reading macca's book it would appear impossible. race in Nice will tell us a lot.


  • #161
    peter kern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭peter kern


    luc van lierde 15 years ago the same year when he went 7.50 in roth


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  • #162
    Amz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Washington Post article on new doping charges against Lance:
    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency brought formal doping charges against former cyclist Lance Armstrong in an action that could cost him his seven Tour de France titles, according to a letter sent to Armstrong and several others Tuesday.

    As a result of the formal charges, Armstrong has been immediately banned from competition in triathlons, a sport he took up after his retirement from cycling in 2011.
    More here

    Statement from Armstrong here


  • #163
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Amz wrote: »
    Washington Post article on new doping charges against Lance:

    More here

    Statement from Armstrong here

    Haha, classic. So to answer the question everyone was asking on twitter... road bike or TT for Nice? Neither.


  • #164
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Interesting........so a ban without guilt being actually being shown ?


  • #165
    Izoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Interesting........so a ban without guilt being actually being shown ?

    Bizarre - Surely the lawyers will sort that out within days...


  • #166
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    Izoard wrote: »
    Bizarre - Surely the lawyers will sort that out within days...

    Unless its Ironman organisers who have said no race with this pending ? I'd say they wouldn't want this over shadowing Kona.


  • #167
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    872dfafde6d7fe0c3eef20a7d5c52b5d.jpg

    Can I get my money back on this?


  • #168
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Interesting........so a ban without guilt being actually being shown ?

    Don't this the rules let you race while formally charged.


  • #169
    hootini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭hootini


    USADA side:

    The agency alleges that Armstrong used EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, steroids and masking agents, the Post reported, citing the letter. It also alleges that he administered drugs to others.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/47803607/ns/sports-cycling/

    Alleged longterm slippery like an eel to catch cheat Armstrongs comment:

    http://lancearmstrong.com/news-events/lance-armstrong-responds-to-usada-allegation


  • #170
    bryangiggsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭bryangiggsy


    tunney wrote: »
    elvis jones wrote: »
    Interesting........so a ban without guilt being actually being shown ?

    Don't this the rules let you race while formally charged.
    Cant wait to see ironmans response to this. #eggonface


  • #171
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    bryangiggsy wrote: »
    Cant wait to see ironmans response to this. #eggonface

    What? This isn't an outrage? or a disgrace??? :)


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  • #172
    nerraw1111
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭nerraw1111


    Ouch!

    I do like the idea that if you cheated you'll be pursued relentlessly in the US.


  • #173
    Izoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    Surely these guys have no jurisdiction outside the US, so he'd be OK for IM France?

    Lawyer-fest.


  • #174
    Izoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    Possible merge with main thread required...


  • #175
    gottarun
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭gottarun


    Its easy to make allegations, substantiating them is the tricky bit.


  • #176
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Izoard wrote: »
    Surely these guys have no jurisdiction outside the US, so he'd be OK for IM France?

    Lawyer-fest.

    USADA -> UST
    UST -> ITU
    ITU -> WTC


  • #177
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    gottarun wrote: »
    Its easy to make allegations, substantiating them is the tricky bit.

    Years long criminal case wrapped up recently for reasons unknown, politics suspected.
    Federal investigators to USADA "hey this stuff could come in handy for you YEARS of data"


  • #178
    bryangiggsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭bryangiggsy


    Proof that he was EPO doping in 2009 & 2010 and proof that he was blood doping also......will he never learn!!


  • #179
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    I hope the ST servers can deal with all the new Lance petition threads, he is great, let him race, such an outrage, speak to your senator threads:)
    Lance fan boy heads exploding all over the place.


  • #180
    Izoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Izoard


    tunney wrote: »
    USADA -> UST
    UST -> ITU
    ITU -> WTC

    Impressive brevity, if lacking in clarity.

    Still not clear to me what jurisdiction USADA have over WTC...

    My understanding of USADA's charter - has the authority to suspend dopers from competition in Olympic sports and it can take back awards, but it cannot press criminal charges.

    Givne IM is not an Olympic sport, nor is he a *confirmed* doper, it seems a big stretch...


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  • #181
    MrCreosote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭MrCreosote


    If he hadn't made his comeback 2.0 none of this would have happened I reckon.

    Still, isn't it sad to see the career of a novice triathlete being pegged back by bureaucracy.


  • #182
    wideball
    Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭wideball


    Very good article explaining how EPO is used as a masking agent for blood doping and will help explain how the authorities looked at Armstrong's 2009-10 blood results.

    http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden

    The article refers to Contador but as it's largely the same folks indicted with Armstrong that were with AC at Astana. Same methods?


  • #183
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/armstrongcharging0613.pdf

    interesting letter


  • #184
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    None of this is, in fact, true. Armstrong is not banned from triathlons. Not yet. Rather, USADA's 15-page letter, sent to Armstrong's attorneys, laid out its thesis that Armstrong was part of a team-wide conspiracy to dope, and concluded with, "at this time, we are forwarding this matter to a panel of USADA anti-doping review board for its consideration and recommendation as set forth in the USADA protocol."

    And, "... if this case proceeds beyond the anti-doping review board USADA will recommend a sanction..."

    There is therefore no ban yet. Armstrong is free to compete in triathlon, or cycling, for that matter, assuming the race organizer will allow him into its race. And there's the rub.

    "Armstrong is therefore suspended from competing in WTC-owned and licensed races pending further review," wrote the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) in a statement. This, because, "Our rules, as stated in the WTC Professional Athlete Agreement and Waiver, dictate an athlete is ineligible to compete during an open investigation." WTC owns and produces the Ironman brand of triathlons.


  • #185
    griffin100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,993 ✭✭✭griffin100


    There's a thread on this on the cycling forum and it's been suggested that if Armstrong were to loose his 7 TdF titles for whatever reason the titles would go to: Zulle, Ullrich, Ullrich, Beloki, Ullrich, Kloden, Basso - all great ambassadors for drug free cycling.


  • #186
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    tunney wrote: »
    None of this is, in fact, true. Armstrong is not banned from triathlons. Not yet. Rather, USADA's 15-page letter, sent to Armstrong's attorneys, laid out its thesis that Armstrong was part of a team-wide conspiracy to dope, and concluded with, "at this time, we are forwarding this matter to a panel of USADA anti-doping review board for its consideration and recommendation as set forth in the USADA protocol."

    And, "... if this case proceeds beyond the anti-doping review board USADA will recommend a sanction..."

    There is therefore no ban yet. Armstrong is free to compete in triathlon, or cycling, for that matter, assuming the race organizer will allow him into its race. And there's the rub.

    "Armstrong is therefore suspended from competing in WTC-owned and licensed races pending further review," wrote the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) in a statement. This, because, "Our rules, as stated in the WTC Professional Athlete Agreement and Waiver, dictate an athlete is ineligible to compete during an open investigation." WTC owns and produces the Ironman brand of triathlons.[/QUOTE]


    Just as i thought, its Ironman thats stopping him.


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  • #187
    Bambaata
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    This is getting interesting!


  • #188
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    MrCreosote wrote: »
    If he hadn't made his comeback 2.0 none of this would have happened I reckon.

    I 100% agree with this


  • #189
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    elvis jones wrote: »
    Just as i thought, its Ironman thats stopping him.

    WTC renege and let him in and its curtains for any credibility of IM distance racing


  • #190
    tunney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,584 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    Makai Nice Junkie wrote: »
    I 100% agree with this

    I 100% disagree.

    USADA were always going to use the evidence from the Federal Investigation.


  • #191
    elvis jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,197 ✭✭✭elvis jones


    If they haven't proven anything by now what makes them think they can do it at this late stage.


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  • #192
    hf4z6sqo7vjngi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,454 ✭✭✭hf4z6sqo7vjngi


    tunney wrote: »
    I 100% disagree.

    USADA were always going to use the evidence from the Federal Investigation.

    Why did the USDA not move earlier so, why 5/6 months after the Federal Investigation was closed.


  • #193
    MrCreosote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭MrCreosote


    tunney wrote: »
    I 100% disagree.

    USADA were always going to use the evidence from the Federal Investigation.

    Comeback 2.0 being the 2009 one. Federal Investigation started in 2010. If he'd stayed quietly in retirement the Fed investigation would prob never have happened, and USADA wouldn't have their evidence.


  • #194
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Makai Nice Junkie wrote: »
    Why did the USDA not move earlier so, why 5/6 months after the Federal Investigation was closed.

    I'm sure they had to go through documentation they received from the feds with a view to analysing it with regards to how they would approach the case differently than a federal one and rework it.


  • #195
    Gringo78
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Gringo78


    He's still free then to enter the Hy Vee ITU rules event then?


  • #196
    BennyMul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭BennyMul


    from slowtwitch

    AFP - Seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong will be denied entry to the Nice leg of the Ironman series due to an ongoing doping investigation into the American, the event organisers said Thursday.
    Armstrong, whose career has been dogged by unfounded allegations of doping, is the subject of fresh allegations by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) which could lead to the stripping of his titles.
    Organisers of the Nice Ironman, to be held June 24, said through spokeswoman Delphine Vivet: "The rules governing the World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) state that no athletes under investigation can participate in the event."
    The decision, of which Armstrong had already been informed by the WTC, ends the American's plans for the French race following his victory at a recent, smaller triathlon event.
    Armstrong had recently rented a villa in the region, at Cap d'Ail, and had been spotted at a pool used by some of France's top swimming stars including Yannick Agnel and Camille Muffat.
    The eighth edition of the Nice Ironman is set to welcome 2000 athletes from 57 countries.
    It begins with a 3.8 km swim in the Mediterranean, is followed by a bike race on a 180 km circuit and concludes with a full marathon over 42.195 km.
    USADA chief executive Travis Tygart issued a statement Wednesday confirming "that written notice of allegations of anti-doping rule violations was sent yesterday to him (Armstrong) and to five additional individuals all formerly associated with the United States Postal Service professional cycling team.
    "These individuals include three team doctors and two team officials.
    "This formal notice letter is the first step in the multi-step legal process for alleged sport anti-doping rule violations," Tygart said.
    Armstrong -- who has vehemently denied using performance-enhancing drugs during his career -- angrily said the new "baseless" charges stem from "discredited" allegations from the past.
    "I have been notified that USADA... intends to again dredge up discredited allegations dating back more than 16 years to prevent me from competing as a triathlete and try and strip me of the seven Tour de France victories I earned," Armstrong said in a statement.
    He slammed the agency as "an organization largely funded by taxpayer dollars but governed only by self-written rules."


  • #197
    couerdelion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    Good opinion peice from Slowtwitch

    http://www.slowtwitch.com/Opinion/Armstrong_and_USADA_2848.html


  • #198
    bryangiggsy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭bryangiggsy


    Loving the fact that WTC wiped the main page of their website of lance as soon as it broke....abandon ship abandon ship...lance..lance who?


  • #199
    shotgunmcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    Just merging the threads lads.. do carry on

    Jolly good'n now eh :)


  • #200
    couerdelion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭couerdelion


    To balance the slowtwitch article... The ultimate lance fanboy Paul Kimmage :)http://t.co/MgZJWohq


  • #201
    BennyMul
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭BennyMul


    A like this blog, and he articulates better can I could.

    http://worldwidecyclesblog.com/2012/06/14/there-is-a-bigger-picture-than-just-lance/


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