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KildareFan · 13-05-2020 4:13pm

I have found many examples of catholic marriage registers with both parents' names. In some cases, only the mother's first name is given, but others have both first name and surname. See example from Rathmines parish https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633754#page/3/mode/1up

spurious · 13-05-2020 4:35pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

www.irishgenealogy.ie is down.

When that happens, you can sometimes get in through https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ which takes you the search page.

kanadams123 · 13-05-2020 5:04pm

CassieManson wrote: »

I have never come across a church record of a marriage that recorded either mother or father. Must be down to the parts of Cork my family are from.

Same here !! For the records I have come across I would not even get townland names..just The names of Bride, Groom and sponsors !

Hermy · 13-05-2020 5:30pm

Earlier church records often only included the names of the bride and groom and the witnesses but things improved with the arrival of the printed parish marriage register with dedicated spaces for each person involved in the ceremony.

pinkypinky · 13-05-2020 5:39pm

I've been working hard on an article I'm preparing for a journal later this year (deadline end of May!) today and have discovered something potentially huge for my own ancestry.

Of course, no one in my family will care!

CassieManson · 13-05-2020 8:56pm

pinkypinky wrote:

I've been working hard on an article I'm preparing for a journal later this year (deadline end of May!) today and have discovered something potentially huge for my own ancestry.

pinkypinky wrote:

Of course, no one in my family will care!

In my family no one is interested either!

Hermy · 13-05-2020 9:27pm

CassieManson wrote: »

In my family no one is interested either!

That hackneyed phrase "There's always one!" must have been written with us in mind.

KildareFan · 13-05-2020 10:33pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I've been working hard on an article I'm preparing for a journal later this year (deadline end of May!) today and have discovered something potentially huge for my own ancestry.

Of course, no one in my family will care!

We in the genealogy family care.... tell us!

pinkypinky · 13-05-2020 11:27pm

It is a long story & all will be revealed in due course.

clashburke · 15-05-2020 10:57pm

Anyone have any idea when the next batch of Wexford records are due on Roots.ie?

pinkypinky · 16-05-2020 10:32am

No one ever knows!

mindhorn · 25-05-2020 8:33am

Not necessarily off topic but not really worthy of its own thread. Would anyone know exactly where Letter (or Leiter), Co. Kerry is? I know it's outside Caherciveen and Reenard but I can't pinpoint it exactly.

There was also a castle there (south of the Bentee Mountain) up until the 1600s but has since been levelled. I can't pinpoint that either.

Hermy · 25-05-2020 9:20am

There's an entry for it on Townlands.ie.

And it's marked on the Geohive map.
http://map.geohive.ie/mapviewer.html?webmap=c3c6a1c2249943b88b654fd52f5c2508

Hermy · 25-05-2020 9:28am

I've edited my post above which originally stated that you can't share links to locations on the GeoHive map.

Ever since Ordnance Survey of Ireland updated to the Geohive map I've been bemoaning the fact that you can't share map locations via hyperlinks in the way you could on the old map viewer.

However, it's actually the simplest thing in the world to do - you just click Share at the top of the drop down menu on the top left of the page and it generates the link for you.

Sometimes it's great to be wrong.

mindhorn · 25-05-2020 9:35am

That's great, thanks a lot Hermy.

kanadams123 · 26-05-2020 5:52pm

I think my great-grandfather possibly lied on the 1901 census by not including his wife and calling himself a Widow.

One of my biggest brick walls was trying to find my great-grandmothers death record. Because my great grand father was listed as a "Widower" in the 1901 census I have only searched prior to 1901 before for her death.
I have however found a death in 1917 which I am confident is her, and if so, then I have found that the 1911 census I had previously disregarded due to her being present, is also most likely them (along with another great-aunt I was not aware of!).

I must try and confirm this with other records however before I jump to conclusions!

Has anyone else come across someone lying about being a Widow/Widower before?

(He did not re-marry someone with the same first name btw, I have checked this out also!!)

srmf5 · 26-05-2020 7:25pm

I don't recall ever seeing it in a census record. I've only seen it on death records where the marital status was recorded incorrectly.

pinkypinky · 26-05-2020 7:36pm

Oliver St John Gogarty famously said he was single on his census return but was married.

Seriously though, is it possible someone else filled out the form?

One of my gg-grandfathers was in London for 1911 and is recorded as single aged 40 when he was a married 51 grandfather. I reckon he wasn't there - he was an upstanding citizen and public figre so very unlikely to be lying and could easily have been caught out.

Hermy · 27-05-2020 1:05am

I meant to post earlier but the new series of A House Through Time began on BBC2 earlier tonight.

I thoroughly enjoyed the previous series so I'm glad to say tonight's episode continued in a similar vain.

Did anyone else watch it and what did ye think?

pinkypinky · 27-05-2020 10:13am

Thought it was vg. He is still very pretty too.

I'd love to know how many houses they research to find the right one - do people submit their houses knowing there's already a good story?

There's a book accompanying this series so maybe that would provide insight.

Hermy · 27-05-2020 10:43am

pinkypinky wrote: »

He is still very pretty too.

That's an outrageous statement to make!

I'd love to know how many houses they research to find the right one - do people submit their houses knowing there's already a good story?

Yes, they certainly seem to have landed on their feet with this one in the manner that they've been able to tell the story right from the houses construction and likely through to the present day without missing an occupancy.

Earnest · 27-05-2020 11:12am

Yes, an excellent programme. And a reminder that when we do genealogy, we may not agree with our ancestors' behaviour.

spurious · 27-05-2020 11:43am

He has a voice like chocolate, chocolate that is doing terrible things to someone.

Using the lockdown here to write a little history of our street for the neighbours, using mostly newspaper extracts, but a few BMDs too. Only 9 houses, built 1881.

KildareFan · 28-05-2020 11:24am

<Using the lockdown here to write a little history of our street for the neighbours, using mostly newspaper extracts, but a few BMDs too. Only 9 houses, built 1881.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I live in a row of five houses built in 2000 and no one has moved out since then, so we all know the history too well!:)

Hermy · 09-06-2020 8:47pm

Just a reminder that A House Through Time is on at nine.

pinkypinky · 09-06-2020 9:53pm

I have it recorded but may not get to it this evening.

Rmulvany · 30-06-2020 2:24pm

Well, did anyone else attend the 13:00 Beyond2022 zoom presentation?
I thought it was good, some bits I had heard before but it's always good to hear the researchers/conservationists become more and more confident that they can get useful documents from the remains of the lost Four Courts documents.

Also promising what was mentioned at the end regarding the genealogy side of things.
A question was raised asking if anything of interest has been found which would interest family historians etc (probing for census answers I imagine) and the response was along the line of with regards census records, although so much was lost in the fire so don't get your hopes up they have some really exciting discoveries to come so watch this space!

pinkypinky · 30-06-2020 3:49pm

I wasn't able to attend the lunch one but going to tune in for the panel later.

I asked them on twitter if they were recording them but didn't get a response.

Rmulvany · 30-06-2020 7:48pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I wasn't able to attend the lunch one but going to tune in for the panel later.

I asked them on twitter if they were recording them but didn't get a response.

Apparently they will be emailing out a link to the recordings tomorrow, may only be able to view the videos you had registered to attend.

pinkypinky · 30-06-2020 9:06pm

We shall see.

The panel discussion now was interesting, though patchy in parts. I admit I wasn't interested to hear what the artists' response to the destruction was.

Lots of deluded people in the Q&A asking about zombie census returns!

mindhorn · 27-07-2020 1:19pm

Was it common for someone baptised Joseph to end up using the name James? I didn't think the two were interchangable.

Birth and baptism cert have him down as Joseph (and so do the census in 1901 and 1911), and I'm 99% sure I have the right marriage cert and he's down as James.

pinkypinky · 27-07-2020 2:26pm

Never heard of them together.

brownangel · 27-07-2020 5:01pm

Definitely different names. It would not be unheard of for someone to acquire a middle name, e.g. the father's name, and then to become known by that name, though it would not be an official name.

mindhorn · 27-07-2020 5:28pm

Thanks. His father's name was Joseph, which doesn't exactly help.

KildareFan · 27-07-2020 5:55pm

Sometimes James was recorded as Jas and Joseph as Jos.... so scope for confusion there. Having said that, it's not uncommon for people to have several names depending on the context - family, work, friends, education. Also, names can be recorded incorrectly - happened to a friend of mine who discovered when he looked for his birth cert that the first name he'd used all his life wasn't on the cert.

Garlinge · 27-07-2020 6:35pm

So his father was also Joseph so likely the child used a middle name to distinguish him from the senior Joseph. The middle name might not have been included at the birth/baptism. There is also an extra name selected at Confirmation. Often diminutives or pet names were used such as Pakky for Patrick, or Baby for a youngest child.

Balmed Out · 28-07-2020 10:17pm

Any recommendations on what the best ancestry package is if pretty much all your ancestors come from Cork and Kerry? Its nice to be able to tie up loose ends of those who have emigrated etc but probably not worth it. I havent joined in a while but have an ancestry DNA test and connected on facebook groups to people with ancestry trees that i'd like to view. Any likely sales coming up?

Balmed Out · 28-07-2020 10:28pm

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ancestry-worldwide-for-only-1-via-ancestrycom-not-ancestry-uk-3504097

New and returning customers. Sign into amazon.com and press the get deal on the hotukdeal link. Its like a euro for 3 months but make sure to cancel before it auto renews.

pinkypinky · 28-07-2020 11:02pm

I don't think you can view trees without a subscription.

It's a matter of personal choice. Lots of things are on both FMP and Ancestry but I find it easier to search FMP. However, I need Ancestry for the DNA stuff and the world databases.

mindhorn · 04-08-2020 8:25am

Update on the James/Joseph mystery.

Turns out that he was named James on the birth register but there was a change of mind a few days later as he was baptised George William.

He's down as George on the 1901 and 1911 census but then looks like he had a change of mind afterwards as he uses James on his marriage cert.

A relative was able to help me with this. Unlikely I would have figured it out otherwise.

CassieManson · 04-08-2020 11:33am

mindhorn wrote: »

Update on the James/Joseph mystery.

Turns out that he was named James on the birth register but there was a change of mind a few days later as he was baptised George William.

He's down as George on the 1901 and 1911 census but then looks like he had a change of mind afterwards as he uses James on his marriage cert.

A relative was able to help me with this. Unlikely I would have figured it out otherwise.

That's great you got it sorted - those things can drive you crazy!

CassieManson · 04-08-2020 11:36am

So I ended up spending a lot of the BH weekend on my US cousins - managed to open up a few previous dead ends. I notice a lot of people used 17 March as their birthday even though their record in the Irish civil records shows a different date. Has anyone else come across this? I suppose if they didn't know their DOB the US authorities put them down as Paddy's day?

mindhorn · 04-08-2020 1:40pm

CassieManson wrote: »

That's great you got it sorted - those things can drive you crazy!

Thanks. I'd say that's a pretty unusual situtation though, where the parents had a change of mind when baptising a child, and then the child had their own change of mind later on in life.

pinkypinky · 04-08-2020 2:03pm

CassieManson wrote: »

So I ended up spending a lot of the BH weekend on my US cousins - managed to open up a few previous dead ends. I notice a lot of people used 17 March as their birthday even though their record in the Irish civil records shows a different date. Has anyone else come across this? I suppose if they didn't know their DOB the US authorities put them down as Paddy's day?

It's not the US authorities, it's people themselves. My theory is, they didn't know their actual DOB but they knew the date of St Patrick's Day, so chose that and selected a year they thought was right.

But if someone is actually called Patrick or Patrick Joseph, then it's likely their DOB is in or around that date. I wrote a blog post about earlier this year:

https://cbgenealogy.ie/?p=537

kanadams123 · 11-08-2020 11:31am

Irish genealogy.ie is being really really nice to me recently !!!!!!!!!!

I was looking for the civil births of children of a particular family between 1886 and 1898. I had their ages from the 1901 census.
By doing a simple name search +/- one year in the Cork RD, about 25 results appeared with each search. (very common name!)

For 5 of the 7 children, the particular record that I was looking for was the first record on the page !!!!!!!

I'm counting myself very very lucky hear!!!

pinkypinky · 11-08-2020 8:04pm

Well done.

CassieManson · 11-08-2020 10:35pm

I've been going back through some of the American branches of my family tree and have discovered how useful online obituaries can be. It's amazing how much genealogical information is contained in American obituaries - dates and places of birth of deceased, parent's names, names of all children and their spouses lists of grandchildren, lists of surviving siblings...I have found that for people who have died in the past 20 years googling their name and the word obituary will often find this very useful information.

Just in case anyone else hasn't discovered this yet ðŸ™‚

mindhorn · 12-08-2020 8:32am

I don't have too many relatives in the US but the ones I did find were purely down to an obituary from the 90s. Listed all the jobs he had, where he went to school, places he lived, children, grandchildren...the works.

pinkypinky · 12-08-2020 9:27am

Agree - some of them are really over the top. They must not have to pay by the word!!

spurious · 27-08-2020 10:10pm

Discovered today that the Enumerator for Drumcarrow DED (Monaghan) in the 1911 census made most of the entries in the old Irish script, meaning if you search for the English version of a name you won't find it. Hours of fun.

Have a browse:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Drumcarrow/

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