The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

Circuital · 22-03-2019 12:33pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

So, a dad encouraging his 4 year old to drink alcohol and fight is no different to a dad showing his kid how to swing a golf club?

One of these interests isn't harmful or abusive to the child. Can you guess which one?

I've read some absolute b*llox in here but this is right up there with the most stupid.

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 12:37pm

Circuital wrote: »

So, a dad encouraging his 4 year old to drink alcohol and fight is no different to a dad showing his kid how to swing a golf club?

One of these interests isn't harmful or abusive to the child. Can you guess which one?

I've read some absolute b*llox in here but this is right up there with the most stupid.

You're only 26 posts old, stick around for more stupid shít.

A sip of froth of Guinness and learning the skills of the sport of kings or brandishing a 3 foot metal object and swinging it around your head?

Car99 · 22-03-2019 12:41pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

No different at all ? Introducing a kid to alcohol and bare knuckle fighting both of which are illegal and detrimental to their health is the same as introducing a kid to playing a mainstream sport, playing by the rules and supporting a team . Are you sure?

Paddy Cow · 22-03-2019 12:42pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

Teaching a four year old to down a glass of Guinness is not the same as teaching your child to play sport. I'd say that whether the "parent" in question be Traveller, settled, Irish or foreign.

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-03-2019 12:46pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

You're only 26 posts old, stick around for more stupid shít.

Uh, ok...

Bob Harris wrote:

A sip of froth of Guinness and learning the skills of the sport of kings or brandishing a 3 foot metal object and swinging it around your head?

He didn't have to wait long in fairness

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 12:46pm

Car99 wrote: »

No different at all ? Introducing a kid to alcohol and bare knuckle fighting both of which are illegal and detrimental to their health is the same as introducing a kid to playing a mainstream sport, playing by the rules and supporting a team . Are you sure?

You'll find most sports are detrimental to your health.
Golf is mainstream but is still very much elitist and drives a wedge (see what I did there) between the haves and have nots of society.

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Teaching a four year old to down a glass of Guinness is not the same as teaching your child to play sport. I'd say that whether the "parent" in question be Traveller, settled, Irish or foreign.

He no more dowend a glass of Guinness than he ko'd George Foreman in Madison square gardens. He'd get more alcohol in the christmas trifle.

Ri_Nollaig · 22-03-2019 1:17pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Any solutions to how the cycle can be broken?

Education is how this cycle can be broken.

Not by giving them bullshít ethnic status and playing the victims every five seconds. They should be treated equally in society; both rights and responsibilities.

Reaching Leaving Cert level should be an absolute minimum standard and if their parents take them out of school, they should be prosecuted. Not to mention obvious actions like prosecuting the scumbag parent here.

nullzero · 22-03-2019 1:28pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

This has to be the most out of touch with reality post I've ever read on this site, and there is some tremendous competition for that title.
I'm hoping it's tongue in cheek.

22-03-2019 1:32pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

You'll find most sports are detrimental to your health.
Golf is mainstream but is still very much elitist and drives a wedge (see what I did there) between the haves and have nots of society.

He no more dowend a glass of Guinness than he ko'd George Foreman in Madison square gardens. He'd get more alcohol in the christmas trifle.

Hardly surprising attitude from someone who readily admits to frequent drink driving

nullzero · 22-03-2019 1:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hardly surprising attitude from someone who readily admits to frequent drink driving

Had a look back at what you're talking about, jesus christ almighty, what is this guy on?

EDIT : "I make sure to drink and drive responsibly."
Well that's a relief.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-03-2019 1:39pm

It's sad to think anyone thinks this is just something ordinary and comparing it to a Sport is so out of touch with reality

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 1:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly surprising attitude from someone who readily admits to frequent drink driving

ah the dunne - good man yourself, you're weren't long arriving to express your outrage.

nullzero wrote: »

Had a look back at what you're talking about, jesus christ almighty, what is this guy on?

EDIT : "I make sure to drink and drive responsibly."
Well that's a relief.

It should be a relief, you won't see me driving up the road bouncing from one ditch to the other.

22-03-2019 1:49pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

ah the dunne - good man yourself, you're weren't long arriving to express your outrage.

It should be a relief, you won't see me driving up the road bouncing from one ditch to the other.

I know. Imagine being outraged at someone encouraging a child to drink and fight?

Or at someone who unapologetically puts others at risk when driving intoxicated?

Big mad aul pearl clutcher I am.

Actually in this case, "Won't someone think of the children?" is fitting

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 1:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I know. Imagine being outraged at someone encouraging a child to drink and fight?

Or at someone who unapologetically puts others at risk when driving intoxicated?

Big mad aul pearl clutcher I am.

Actually in this case, "Won't someone think of the children?" is fitting

We should play a game, I'll post something non-pc that'll have you clutching your pearls and we'll see how long you take to find it.

nullzero · 22-03-2019 1:59pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

ah the dunne - good man yourself, you're weren't long arriving to express your outrage.

It should be a relief, you won't see me driving up the road bouncing from one ditch to the other.

You're breaking the law, people die because of drink driving and you're making out that it's no big deal. You need to think about the possible implications of your actions.

22-03-2019 1:59pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

We should play a game, I'll post something non-pc that'll have you clutching your pearls and we'll see how long you take to find it.

Haha. Jesus, I get called a right wing Nazi in some threads, and am now being told I am some kind of PC nutjob here.

Drink driving and encouraging kids to drink and fight isn't "non-PC", it's just absolutely reprehensible.

nullzero · 22-03-2019 2:01pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

We should play a game, I'll post something non-pc that'll have you clutching your pearls and we'll see how long you take to find it.

People taking exception to your nonsense isn't a PC issue, you're openly admitting to drunk driving and excusing forcing a child to drink alcohol and fight. These are basic common sense issues and you're failing to understand them reflects poorly on you.

MrFresh · 22-03-2019 2:02pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Any solutions to how the cycle can be broken?

Stop putting travellers in halting sites. Treat them the same as other social housing applicants. Aggressively prosecute parents who don't send their children to school. Additional supports for children in school and after school clubs. Prosecute parents who involve their children in crimes.

22-03-2019 2:04pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Stop putting travellers in halting sites. Treat them the same as other social housing applicants. Aggressively prosecute parents who don't send their children to school. Additional supports for children in school and after school clubs. Prosecute parents who involve their children in crimes.

Hey.. stop with that. No talking sense in here.

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 2:05pm

nullzero wrote: »

People taking exception to your nonsense isn't a PC issue, you're openly admitting to drunk driving and excusing forcing a child to drink alcohol and fight. These are basic common sense issues and you're failing to understand them reflects poorly on you.

To be fair the father was merely encouraging his child to have a sup. Guinness does give you strength and after all. Whatsmore he was taking a healthy interest in his development as a boxer. I'd sooner have that than parents screaming on the sidelines and embarrassing themselves as they try to acheive their own failed sporting dreams through a sport they've forced on their child.

22-03-2019 2:07pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

To be fair the father was merely encouraging his child to have a sup. Guinness does give you strength and after all.

ahhh. Ok then. The penny has dropped. Shan't be feeding you.

demanufactured · 22-03-2019 2:08pm

end of the road wrote: »

they don't need to be wiped from the face of the earth and they won't be. you will need to get over that fact and keep the old fantasies to yourself.
the video only proves that the father of the child is a scumbag, not the traveling community as a whole.

perhapse you could get in contact with them and ask them, and let us know their response? no point in constantly asking what particular individuals think about something when they aren't going to come on here and answer.

that would not have been possible. there are no methods which could have achieved this.
travelers themselves going off the road which is actually happening slowly but surely is the best and only option.

he surfaces when there are genuine issues effecting the community which is what the organization he represents deals with. he has no specific need to comment on the video. in fact if he did, i'd reccan people would be complaining that he didn't say whatever specific thing they would want him to say. so given he probably couldn't win either way, then staying out of it is probably the best option.

Oh........goodie.

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 2:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Haha. Jesus, I get called a right wing Nazi in some threads, and am now being told I am some kind of PC nutjob here.

Drink driving and encouraging kids to drink and fight isn't "non-PC", it's just absolutely reprehensible.

MrFresh wrote: »

Stop putting travellers in halting sites. Treat them the same as other social housing applicants. Aggressively prosecute parents who don't send their children to school. Additional supports for children in school and after school clubs. Prosecute parents who involve their children in crimes.

And you wonder why you get called a right wing Nazi yet agree with this statement?

nullzero · 22-03-2019 2:08pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

To be fair the father was merely encouraging his child to have a sup. Guinness does give you strength and after all. Whatsmore he was taking a healthy interest in his development as a boxer. I'd sooner have that than parents screaming on the sidelines and embarrassing themselves as they try to acheive their own failed sporting dreams through a sport they've forced on their child.

So this is all for comic effect?

MrFresh · 22-03-2019 2:09pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

And you wonder why you get called a right wing Nazi yet agree with this statement?

I think you'll find I'm more often called a left wing liberal in most threads.

22-03-2019 2:11pm

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Bob Harris wrote: »

And you wonder why you get called a right wing Nazi yet agree with this statement?

ah ok I'll bite. One for the road (a phrase you are familiar with i'm sure).

Do you think that aggressively prosecuting people for failing to educate their children is a bad thing?

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 2:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

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ah ok I'll bite. One for the road (a phrase you are familiar with i'm sure).

Do you think that aggressively prosecuting people for failing to educate their children is a bad thing?

The childs father is clearly educating him in the art of boxing. Did you see the moves of the young fella? You don't lick that off the stones!

22-03-2019 2:14pm

Why is anyone bothering engaging with an obvious WUM?

22-03-2019 2:14pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

The childs father is clearly educating him in the art of boxing. Did you see the moves of the young fella? You don't lick that off the stones!

...and i'm done.

Bob Harris · 22-03-2019 2:17pm

Candie wrote: »

Why is anyone bothering engaging with an obvious WUM?

It took them a while it has to be said.
I'll just finish my pint and hop in the car and be off with myself:pac:

Sephiroth_dude · 22-03-2019 2:37pm

Bob Harris wrote: »

It took them a while it has to be said.
I'll just finish my pint and hop in the car and be off with myself:pac:

Mod

Don't post in this thread again

Rows Grower · 22-03-2019 3:13pm

This lad would give the baby Hulk a run for his money.

https://www.facebook.com/1145112458954200/videos/1277451009083437/?t=5

Jerichoholic · 22-03-2019 3:20pm

Their 'culture' needs to be ended. It serves no purpose, it's backwards and a danger to everyone exposed to it.

Hector Savage · 22-03-2019 3:34pm

Rows Grower wrote: »

This lad would give the baby Hulk a run for his money.

https://www.facebook.com/1145112458954200/videos/1277451009083437/?t=5

God that is horrific!!

Rows Grower · 22-03-2019 8:32pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

God that is horrific!!

You can just call me Rows Grower.

end of the road · 22-03-2019 9:00pm

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Their 'culture' needs to be ended. It serves no purpose, it's backwards and a danger to everyone exposed to it.

well it's not going to be ended. at least not by anyone other then the travelers themselves. for anyone other then the travelers, it is not possible to end traveler culture altogether.

Omackeral · 22-03-2019 9:44pm

end of the road wrote: »

it is not possible to end traveler culture altogether.

Can I ask what Traveller culture is in 2019, in your opinion?

As an aside, I have to say I've enjoyed your posting as of late. Really have. Very fair and engaging style.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 22-03-2019 10:22pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

What really annoyed me about the video (which is horrible of course) is the blatant disrespect for their surroundings and lack of manners "throw the cutlery on the floor" and "stand up on the table there" just shows you how people like this are brought up to not give a f*ck on basic level.

Yes, in my waitressing days, I would have found that deeply irritating. And the irritation should just be reserved for the parents but I know I’d have been cursing the kid in my head too. I never minded cleaning up after accidental spills or whatever but cleaning up after people who do not give a fück would be aggravating.

whisky_galore · 22-03-2019 10:27pm

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Education is how this cycle can be broken.

Not by giving them bullshít ethnic status and playing the victims every five seconds. They should be treated equally in society; both rights and responsibilities.

Reaching Leaving Cert level should be an absolute minimum standard and if their parents take them out of school, they should be prosecuted. Not to mention obvious actions like prosecuting the scumbag parent here.

How can they be educated if the majority of them have zero interest in education? They'll just pull their kids out of school, no fixed address or in a halting site or housing estate that Guards won't enter for most reasons short of a murder investigation.

Imho there's no good reason why their lifestyle should be entertained in the 21st century. They need to be saved from themselves.

end of the road · 22-03-2019 10:29pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Can I ask what Traveller culture is in 2019, in your opinion?

As an aside, I have to say I've enjoyed your posting as of late. Really have. Very fair and engaging style.

to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

lawred2 · 22-03-2019 10:31pm

john4321 wrote: »

Child abuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-SH4RpKq7g

Scum

happyoutscan · 22-03-2019 10:33pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Have any of you keyboard warriors actually contacted Tulsa???

...

tayto lover · 22-03-2019 10:36pm

end of the road wrote: »

to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

Music — Maybe in the past. None now.

Story telling — Maybe in the past. It’s call out videos now.

Dialect — Just the dialect of the uneducated and won’t be educated.

I don’t know what the “etc” bit means. Maybe it’s their prowess at waving slash hooks, machetes etc.

dartboardio · 22-03-2019 10:47pm

The only 'culture' travellers have shown us in the last decade is an excuse for stealing.. Fighting.. Wrecking lives and generally causing havoc.

And whoever said the father was only encouraging him to have a sip of the guinness clearly has not watched the video properly. The father kept telling him 'faster faster' wanting him to get drunk.

Abuse plain and simple.

end of the road · 22-03-2019 10:47pm

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Education is how this cycle can be broken.

Not by giving them bullshít ethnic status and playing the victims every five seconds. They should be treated equally in society; both rights and responsibilities.

Reaching Leaving Cert level should be an absolute minimum standard and if their parents take them out of school, they should be prosecuted. Not to mention obvious actions like prosecuting the scumbag parent here.

their ethnic status isn't bull. if it was, they wouldn't have got it.
they are treated equally in society in terms of rights and responsibilities under the law. it's elements of the settled community who unfortunately do not treat them equally, by for example, tarring the whole community with the same brush because of those who do bad things, something which as i said, wouldn't fly if it was aimed at other communities.

whisky_galore wrote: »

How can they be educated if the majority of them have zero interest in education? They'll just pull their kids out of school, no fixed address or in a halting site or housing estate that Guards won't enter for most reasons short of a murder investigation.

Imho there's no good reason why their lifestyle should be entertained in the 21st century. They need to be saved from themselves.

i'm afraid aspects of their lifestyle will have to be tolerated where it is correctly legally mandated to do so. the aspects that are genuinely problematic for society already have the tools available to deal with them.
education and their current but slow movement to modern ways are the only way to save them from themselves.

22-03-2019 10:49pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

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Did you have something written or was your post always three dots?

To answer MrsObumbles question, I contacted by email, social services for Fermanagh area and also Tullamore courthouse where the father had last appeared. Social services from Derry emailed me back asking for as much info as possible. Tullamore also responded saying she had passed on the info to the relevant authorities.

That’s as much as I can do really.

QuadaLumpins · 22-03-2019 10:56pm

A settled traveler family live in the same small village as me. They have a lot of kids, and one of them is around 9-10 and he walks up and down outside the houses in our estate every morning at around 6am. He checks every car and if he sees loose change in the car he tries the doors. If the door is open he’ll take the change.

I’ve watched him do this most mornings for the last few months. I went out to him yesterday morning and ask what he was doing. He shrugged his shoulders and walked away.

I feel sorry for him. Pity him. That’s no childhood to have.

He’ll graduate from cars to houses by the time he’s a teenager. He’ll grow up with no education and no hope.

What a great culture.

whisky_galore · 22-03-2019 11:38pm

end of the road wrote: »

to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

Do travellers have a monopoly on music and story telling?
Where does this take place, in the present day or 50 years ago?

And horses, a necessity at one time but attempting to keep a horse as a pet in a council estate? Really?
I'm from a farming family, can I force my landlord to accept a cow on his lawn? Some of their expectations are unreal.

Can you list anything (legal) in contemporary travelling culture worth preserving?

happyoutscan · 22-03-2019 11:40pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Did you have something written or was your post always three dots?

To answer MrsObumbles question, I contacted by email, social services for Fermanagh area and also Tullamore courthouse where the father had last appeared. Social services from Derry emailed me back asking for as much info as possible. Tullamore also responded saying she had passed on the info to the relevant authorities.

That’s as much as I can do really.

I decided she wasnt worth getting a ban.

happyoutscan · 22-03-2019 11:41pm

end of the road wrote: »

to me traveler culture is as it always was. the music, the story telling, the dialect etc. stuff that may not be practiced as much today, but it is still what traveler culture ultimately is . it certainly isn't what people claim to be "their culture boss" such as the criminality practiced by elements of the community, something that could be dealt with if we paid for the resources to deal with it. something we can well afford to do given we are a very wealthy country.

This culture you talk about is gone.

The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

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