Optilase

BlindBetty · 09-02-2010 3:20pm

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knows why it is that currently there is such a difference in price for lasik and lasek.

Optliase provide prices for lasik and lasek with and without wafefront - this is the lowest price offered in the four places that I went to. You are not charged for an intial consult but you are charged for a pre op.

There is a discount on

a) Vat
B)Health Insurance (e.g., VHI, Quinn etc)

Ultralase (located in Dundrum) are coming in slightly more expensive but I've been contacting them over the phone to the UK call center and they offer me discounts.

This is on top of the same VAT and Health Insurance discount

I've been to the Wellington with offers VAT and Health Insuance but does't bother your head asking if you want Wavefront or not. In fact, I'd imagine nearly everyone gets this as you want the best service on something like surgery.

It's probably one of the most expensive coming after the Mater which charges you for the consultation.

Does this difference in price reflect differences in experience or expertise. Are you actually putting yourself at increased risk by going for cheaper options? Its all a bit confusing for me.

Based on feedback from this board, I'd go with Optilase when I take the price in too.

Caroline Grovan · 17-08-2010 11:21pm

Hi All, i am am looking at getting the laser eye surgery done. Undergone a bit of make over with myself and getting a few things done but have been anxious to get the laser eye surgery done for a long time but have saved up a bit of funds now. I am bit of a nervous wreck so i went for a few consultations at different laser eye clinics. I went for a consultation at Optical Express and was appaled by the service. I never been sold such a hard pitch. The person must be on commision as she was more intertested in my wallet than answering my questions. This is my eyes afterall so i need all my questions answered. I was not very impressed by optical express and decided not to go with them and they have been hounded ever since which makes me think they are desperate.

I then went to Wellington clinic which i thought were good but was not 100% convinced and they were quiet expensive. I decided to go for Optilase in Ely Place. I found that the staff had alot more time for me and were not pushing me at all and answered all my queries in a efficient manner. I decided to go for the Advanced Wavefront treatment. I was quoted €2590 for both eyes. I am booked in next week with Dr,Huerly.Cant wait to get it done......!Will keep you all updated but very impressed with Optilase so fat.I am only worried i might not like what i see when i can finally see:)

Ging Ging · 01-09-2010 11:31pm

Caroline Grovan wrote: »

Hi All, i am am looking at getting the laser eye surgery done. Undergone a bit of make over with myself and getting a few things done but have been anxious to get the laser eye surgery done for a long time but have saved up a bit of funds now. I am bit of a nervous wreck so i went for a few consultations at different laser eye clinics. I went for a consultation at Optical Express and was appaled by the service. I never been sold such a hard pitch. The person must be on commision as she was more intertested in my wallet than answering my questions. This is my eyes afterall so i need all my questions answered. I was not very impressed by optical express and decided not to go with them and they have been hounded ever since which makes me think they are desperate.

I then went to Wellington clinic which i thought were good but was not 100% convinced and they were quiet expensive. I decided to go for Optilase in Ely Place. I found that the staff had alot more time for me and were not pushing me at all and answered all my queries in a efficient manner. I decided to go for the Advanced Wavefront treatment. I was quoted €2590 for both eyes. I am booked in next week with Dr,Huerly.Cant wait to get it done......!Will keep you all updated but very impressed with Optilase so fat.I am only worried i might not like what i see when i can finally see:)

Hi Caroline,
How did it go?
Did you investigate the discounts for the health insurance companies 50% apparently, whats the catch? Obviously everybody would like to save 50% of €2590.
Has anyone else had the procedure done and had their bill halved? I'm talking specifically about quinn and optilase but also about others.
Are dicounts only on certain(cheaper) procedures or is it across the board?

veritable · 03-09-2010 2:09pm

BlindBetty wrote: »

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone knows why it is that currently there is such a difference in price for lasik and lasek.

Optliase provide prices for lasik and lasek with and without wafefront - this is the lowest price offered in the four places that I went to. You are not charged for an intial consult but you are charged for a pre op.

There is a discount on

a) Vat
B)Health Insurance (e.g., VHI, Quinn etc)

Ultralase (located in Dundrum) are coming in slightly more expensive but I've been contacting them over the phone to the UK call center and they offer me discounts.

This is on top of the same VAT and Health Insurance discount

I've been to the Wellington with offers VAT and Health Insuance but does't bother your head asking if you want Wavefront or not. In fact, I'd imagine nearly everyone gets this as you want the best service on something like surgery.

It's probably one of the most expensive coming after the Mater which charges you for the consultation.

Does this difference in price reflect differences in experience or expertise. Are you actually putting yourself at increased risk by going for cheaper options? Its all a bit confusing for me.

Based on feedback from this board, I'd go with Optilase when I take the price in too.

Hi betty, I went with optilase last year and i got excellent results. i asked them the same thing about why they are cheaper than the other clinics and they told me it was because they were able to spread their costs over a higher volume. i have sent a few friends there and they are happy too. I got the wavefront with lasik with Dr Hurley.

Repolho · 08-09-2010 4:44pm

Have provisionally booked my Wavefront LASIK with Optilase for the end of September. Meeting the surgeon (Dr. Conall Hurley) next week for the pre-operative consultation.

I'm a little bit concerned on 2 fronts:

1) I went to 3 clinics (Optical Express, Ultralase and Optilase). Optilase are the cheapest and am wondering is this what is swaying my decision?

2) The other clinics all offer the procedure with Intralase but Optilase only uses microkeratome. I think Intralase would be my preferred procedure (sounds less scary than uning a blade!).

Who else has had their surgery performed by Dr Hurley and how did you find it?

Thanks for reading:D.

Paul Kearney · 10-09-2010 10:33pm

hey repolho, i had surgery with Dr.Hurley not so long ago and absolutely thrilled with the results. I choose Optilase as a trust factor and did alot of reseach before. The Microkeratom is actually safer than the Intralase as there is a higher chance of infection with the Intralase. You are in the best of hands with Optilase so dont be worried at all. The surgery team were so nice on the treatment day and the surgery will be over before you left. I still cant get over my results. Let me know if you have other questions.

:)

shmaido · 11-09-2010 10:15pm

Guys, I went to optilase 18 months ago now to have the wavefront IK procedure, I found the receptionist very abrupt with me, when I informed her I was miss-quoted my price, I also found the pre-op very hurried.

Since then I have had a few nasty eye infections, when I have contacted them regarding this they told me to go to my G.P. My eye sight has regressed and I will have to have the surgery done again. I wouldn't go near them again, When I was having my problems they told me I was discharged out of there care as it has been over a year since my op. So much for lifetime after care!!!

veritable · 12-09-2010 1:57pm

shmaido wrote: »

Guys, I went to optilase 18 months ago now to have the wavefront IK procedure, I found the receptionist very abrupt with me, when I informed her I was miss-quoted my price, I also found the pre-op very hurried.

Since then I have had a few nasty eye infections, when I have contacted them regarding this they told me to go to my G.P. My eye sight has regressed and I will have to have the surgery done again. I wouldn't go near them again, When I was having my problems they told me I was discharged out of there care as it has been over a year since my op. So much for lifetime after care!!!

I had a great experiecne with optilase. they did warn that if you dont rest your eye properly that you can get an eye infection. however, i went back for all my after care appointments and they told me if i needed anything to call into them. i found them friendly and good and sent some family there too!

shmaido · 12-10-2010 11:07am

Veritable - are you in any way affiliated or employed by optilase because it sure looks like you are...

veritable · 12-10-2010 11:44pm

shmaido wrote: »

Veritable - are you in any way affiliated or employed by optilase because it sure looks like you are...

Absolutely not. Laser eye surgery changed my life and i have no problem sharing this experience with other people. do you not allow that? or are people only allowed say negative things about businesses?

yllw.ldbttr · 15-10-2010 9:56am

I had Wavefront LASIK with Optilase in Cork on Wednesday,
they just started surgeries in Cork this week.

Dr Hurley performed the procedure.

Went back yesterday for check up and my vision is better than 20:20 in both eyes already.
Dry eyes to be expected so drops are needed for a few weeks but I've had no pain at all.
My daytime vision is perfect but nighttime vision has a little way to go yet, so I'm hoping this will improve within a few weeks.
Wearing the patches at night is annoying, I'm paranoid I'll tear them off in my sleep, but this is just for two weeks.

Overall I am delighted with the service provided. The staff there were a pleasure to deal with.

Kaz88 · 26-10-2011 11:27am

Getting my laser done in Optilase in Dublin this weekend. really excited about not having to wear glasses anymore (no more fumbeling around to find them in the morning, no more going out at night BLIND to clubs, and no more fogging up in the cold weather) but a little apprehensive at the same time!

I decided to start looking for some horror stories to see if it would turn me off but I think from the vast majority of the reviews people are happy (good old boards letting me find out everything) - I know a few people who have gotten it done in a few places around the country and everyone I know is really happy so Im still going to bite the bullet at the weekend (29th Oct) and get it done.

The original consultation in Ely place went really well and as I was told - if you can get through that the actual surgery no problem!

So I will let you all know how it goes and give you a full run down when Im done :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Pat McGet · 07-11-2011 2:31pm

Hi, how did you get on with the surgery? I have decided to get it done and am trying to decide at the moment who to go with!

Kaz88 wrote: »

Getting my laser done in Optilase in Dublin this weekend. really excited about not having to wear glasses anymore (no more fumbeling around to find them in the morning, no more going out at night BLIND to clubs, and no more fogging up in the cold weather) but a little apprehensive at the same time!

I decided to start looking for some horror stories to see if it would turn me off but I think from the vast majority of the reviews people are happy (good old boards letting me find out everything) - I know a few people who have gotten it done in a few places around the country and everyone I know is really happy so Im still going to bite the bullet at the weekend (29th Oct) and get it done.

The original consultation in Ely place went really well and as I was told - if you can get through that the actual surgery no problem!

So I will let you all know how it goes and give you a full run down when Im done :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Kaz88 · 07-11-2011 6:03pm

Pat McGet wrote: »

Hi, how did you get on with the surgery? I have decided to get it done and am trying to decide at the moment who to go with!

Had my 1week check up yesterday - and Im better than 20:20. Its amazing! Had my first night out on Saturday and could see everyone in the club (wasnt a contact lense wearer before) and it was surreal!! Have a little bit of glare at night but this should take about a mth to calm down I was told. My bruising (from teh suction they use) is practically gone too

Still cant touch the eye for another week so have to be careful rubbing it etc but no pain - have kept up the eye drops so no real dry eye either

Got it done in Optilase in Ely Place - its handy to get to and the people was fab! I was very worried about the operation beforehand but I had no need to be - yea it was a bit weird but so quick that its done and dusted before you know it!!

Im one happy lass ever since! Pointing out everything I can read in the distance etc! I work on computers all day last week was a bit tough but I took a day off to recover just incase and they get a bit tired by 5pm but no complaints as of yet

:D Have to go back in 3 weeks now for my mth check up

Pat McGet · 13-11-2011 11:42am

Just wondering how you managed with makeup after the procedure? I've had consultations with both optical express and optilase and I am leaning towards optilase at the moment as they don't seem to be as sales orientated as optical express who are ringing me every day to see if I am going to book yet. They are both the same price £2790 for wavefront with intralase but now optical express are offering me the intralase free making them £600 cheaper!

Kaz88 wrote: »

Had my 1week check up yesterday - and Im better than 20:20. Its amazing! Had my first night out on Saturday and could see everyone in the club (wasnt a contact lense wearer before) and it was surreal!! Have a little bit of glare at night but this should take about a mth to calm down I was told. My bruising (from teh suction they use) is practically gone too

Still cant touch the eye for another week so have to be careful rubbing it etc but no pain - have kept up the eye drops so no real dry eye either

Got it done in Optilase in Ely Place - its handy to get to and the people was fab! I was very worried about the operation beforehand but I had no need to be - yea it was a bit weird but so quick that its done and dusted before you know it!!

Im one happy lass ever since! Pointing out everything I can read in the distance etc! I work on computers all day last week was a bit tough but I took a day off to recover just incase and they get a bit tired by 5pm but no complaints as of yet :D Have to go back in 3 weeks now for my mth check up

ru437z9t8fidq2 · 23-12-2011 11:44pm

Hi was just wondering how they calculate the prices... it says 495 to 995 for premier and 995 to 1295 for the other one.. does it totally depend on your prescription? I'm like -6 and -4 or something like that, am i right to assume my price would be fairly close to the max? thanks....

Pat McGet · 27-12-2011 11:05am

Kathleen Mealy Cheekbone wrote: »

Hi was just wondering how they calculate the prices... it says 495 to 995 for premier and 995 to 1295 for the other one.. does it totally depend on your prescription? I'm like -6 and -4 or something like that, am i right to assume my price would be fairly close to the max? thanks....

I don't think it totally depends on prescription. I was -1.5 and was charged 2790£ for LASIK with wavefront and intralase. Best to go for the free consult and they will give you a quote. I'd say all prices are near the max! I got mine done a month ago though and can't complain, it was money well spent

amtc · 28-12-2011 3:31pm

I got mine done in Optilase in September so just had my three month check. Was minus 5.75, now better than 20/20

The worst bit was not being able to wear mascara for a week and the pain was less than getting my legs waxed. Still taking out imaginary contact lenses...! No pain, no night blurring. Eyes a bit tired the first day after. And with the central heating on I was popping in dry eyes drops. But it's such a great relief.

Faith+1 · 29-12-2011 9:32pm

Kathleen Mealy Cheekbone wrote: »

Hi was just wondering how they calculate the prices... it says 495 to 995 for premier and 995 to 1295 for the other one.. does it totally depend on your prescription? I'm like -6 and -4 or something like that, am i right to assume my price would be fairly close to the max? thanks....

The joys of being ShortSighted. My prescription is +2.5 for my right and +3.5 for left i.e. Longsighted. I tried to get laser surgery done before but was told my prescription was too high

polaca_uno · 06-01-2012 2:03pm

Hi! I am going to have my laser surgery with Optilase done in february and was wondering if anyone would like to be my recommending person? (this is about this 100e off promotion). I would need to know the contact details of the person who recommends me (name, address and phone number) when I go for my pre-surgery appointment. Who would like to help me out with it?:)

alfiej · 30-01-2012 2:33pm

Hi all,
I have recently had an assessment with Optilase on ely place. I saw yvonne who was really helpful. However I have received some calls from a girl tierna I think her name is and have been made feel quite pressured, could anyone help with this? Also I heard theyve recently cancelled surgery and have had a couple of infection cases. I am thinking of going to Blackrock or the Wellington now as I feel they would be most professional.

Daisies · 30-01-2012 2:43pm

Faith+1 wrote: »

The joys of being ShortSighted. My prescription is +2.5 for my right and +3.5 for left i.e. Longsighted. I tried to get laser surgery done before but was told my prescription was too high

Just letting you know that you may be able to get it done now based on the thickness of the front surface (ie the cornea) as the newer technology can go to +4.50 now

sarah ob · 30-01-2012 10:43pm

Hi Alifij, i just had my surgery in Optilase recently and was more than thrilled with the results. I dont know where you heard about infections. I have to say i was more than delighted with Optilase and did alot of reseach of technolgy and surgeons. I found Optilase very professinal every step of the way and went to consultations in other clinics before chosing Optilase. I chose Optilase because of their reputation and the fact they offer a lifetime care guarantee. Would highy recommend Optilase.:):)

veritable · 30-01-2012 10:58pm

alfiej wrote: »

Hi all,
I have recently had an assessment with Optilase on ely place. I saw yvonne who was really helpful. However I have received some calls from a girl tierna I think her name is and have been made feel quite pressured, could anyone help with this? Also I heard theyve recently cancelled surgery and have had a couple of infection cases. I am thinking of going to Blackrock or the Wellington now as I feel they would be most professional.

this forum has a history of laser eye staff posting negative comments about other clinics. you have 1 post and it is against optilase? come on, go back to your sales office and stop trying to talk sh!t about genuine businesses.

murrayp4 · 31-01-2012 12:35pm

veritable wrote: »

this forum has a history of laser eye staff posting negative comments about other clinics. you have 1 post and it is against optilase? come on, go back to your sales office and stop trying to talk sh!t about genuine businesses.

Agreed...theres a lot of crap being peddled here. "I went to Optilase and met whoever..she was wonderful etc"
Its shilling pure and simple...Optilase sales people who have clearly been given a brief to talk up the clinics...oh and mention the name of someone in the clinic, makes us sound more human...:rolleyes:

TIP: recently registered, low post count = sales person.

On this thread alone there are about 5 shill accounts for optilase, 1 against

ru437z9t8fidq2 · 31-01-2012 2:18pm

veritable wrote: »

this forum has a history of laser eye staff posting negative comments about other clinics. you have 1 post and it is against optilase? come on, go back to your sales office and stop trying to talk sh!t about genuine businesses.

haha now that you say it that last post by sarah ob sounds like an advertisement alright

alfiej · 31-01-2012 4:03pm

well apologies I'm not a sad person who is constantly on this slating people or clinics. mine is a genuine concern about a genuine experience. If u yourself work for Optilase you would know this. I don't waste time on these blogs so yes it is my first one. But s I am investing in my eyes I feel I do have the right to research everything. no I don't work for Optilase or have ever worked in any other laser clinic. there are horror stories regarding eye surgery circulating but just because someone may point out a positive or negative experience does not mean the work as a sales person . You may yourself operate that way but I personally don't. I'm a person who is trying to make an informed decision

AgileMyth · 04-02-2012 3:53am

Kathleen Mealy Cheekbone wrote: »

haha now that you say it that last post by sarah ob sounds like an advertisement alright

Peter1983 above forgot his birth year when he signed his post! Slightly suspect!

Anyways I'm booked with Optilase for the 17th of this month. I'll post back after and let people know how I get on.

kdowling · 15-02-2012 5:33pm

sarah ob wrote: »

Hi Alifij, i just had my surgery in Optilase recently and was more than thrilled with the results. I dont know where you heard about infections. I have to say i was more than delighted with Optilase and did alot of reseach of technolgy and surgeons. I found Optilase very professinal every step of the way and went to consultations in other clinics before chosing Optilase. I chose Optilase because of their reputation and the fact they offer a lifetime care guarantee. Would highy recommend Optilase.:):)

looks very suspicious when you open an account just to tell everybody how great optilase is!!

AgileMyth · 25-02-2012 3:32pm

I'd mine done Friday of last week. All good so far. Bit dry today but thats the worst of it.

amtc · 27-02-2012 1:30am

I have no affiliation with any clinic but I got my eyes done in Optilase September 17

I couldn't have enough nice things to say about them and the care.

Since directed two work colleagues to them and also a couple of people off here. I found Optical Express very high pressure. I really liked the attitude at Optilase.

I went for the surgery with my mum waiting for me (I had visions of her having to guide me out and up the stairs to bed) - was fine after a few hours. Night vision was a few days to settle down. Imaginary contact lenses being taken pout and glasses took a few weeks. It's only recently I don't reach for them at the side of the bed (I was -6)

veritable · 27-02-2012 8:04am

murrayp4 wrote: »

Agreed...theres a lot of crap being peddled here. "I went to Optilase and met whoever..she was wonderful etc"
Its shilling pure and simple...Optilase sales people who have clearly been given a brief to talk up the clinics...oh and mention the name of someone in the clinic, makes us sound more human...:rolleyes:

TIP: recently registered, low post count = sales person.

On this thread alone there are about 5 shill accounts for optilase, 1 against

wait, so you are saying someone from optilase opened an account here just to talk neg about optilase?!! WTF?!! (btw the whole comment you mention was negative by whomever that shill was)

murrayp4 · 28-02-2012 2:09pm

veritable wrote: »

wait, so you are saying someone from optilase opened an account here just to talk neg about optilase?!! WTF?!! (btw the whole comment you mention was negative by whomever that shill was)

No, I'm saying a competitor is talking-down optilase.

shot2go · 28-02-2012 2:43pm

i would love to get this done but i am very nervous!! can anyone recommend somewhere in galway or near galway?

Daisies · 28-02-2012 2:50pm

shot2go wrote: »

i would love to get this done but i am very nervous!! can anyone recommend somewhere in galway or near galway?

The only 2 places in Galway are Optilase and the Galway Clinic.

veritable · 28-02-2012 2:52pm

murrayp4 wrote: »

No, I'm saying a competitor is talking-down optilase.

sorry, my bad mate!:)

shot2go · 28-02-2012 2:53pm

thanks! going to call them see how much it costs! im worried il pay and chicken out

Daisies · 28-02-2012 4:40pm

shot2go wrote: »

thanks! going to call them see how much it costs! im worried il pay and chicken out

Most places you only pay a deposit and then the balance on day of surgery. Sure you may aswell look into it and if you don't go ahead, you will at least know whether you are suitable or not.

It's underrstandable that you would be nervous and all the clinics will understand that completely:D

Kaz88 · 13-03-2012 4:48pm

Yes Iv posted here before and NO I am not in any way linked to Optilase but just to let you know I had my 6mth check-up last mth and they were so impressed with my healing that I now don’t have to go back for the next checkup just the year check up!
I have found the operation a complete success and they people in Optilase were very nice and 100% professional!
I would have no problem recommending them best of luck to all those going for the op but seriously it’s not all that bad! A bit uncomfortable for a few minutes, a bit of nuisance for a few mths with drops but 7mths on I couldn’t fault it!! :cool::cool::cool:

Pink11 · 27-03-2012 3:30pm

amtc wrote: »

I got mine done in Optilase in September so just had my three month check. Was minus 5.75, now better than 20/20

The worst bit was not being able to wear mascara for a week and the pain was less than getting my legs waxed.

I was told not to wear it for 2 weeks!

rach13 · 20-04-2013 12:04pm

Hi! I am going to have my optilase consultation on Monday and was wondering if anyone would like to be my recommending person? I would need to know the contact details of the person who recommends me . Would anyone like to help me out with it?

amtc · 29-04-2013 1:32am

rach13 wrote: »

Hi! I am going to have my optilase consultation on Monday and was wondering if anyone would like to be my recommending person? I would need to know the contact details of the person who recommends me . Would anyone like to help me out with it?

I've no problem if you want - pm me

louisewalsh23 · 05-06-2013 12:29pm

Anybody else need to be recommended? :-)

Faith+1 · 11-06-2013 2:17pm

I was told from a friend that they made vast improvements in the whole laser eye surgery field so I rang them up and was told I have to be 32 to be accepted as I'm long sighted. That's me refused 3 times in 6 years. WTF?

brianw26 · 04-08-2013 1:58am

I went for conciltation last week at optilase.after €500 voucher i was quoted €2990 for lasik intralise with wavefront.people at work who got their treatment done at lumivision n dub n laservision r quoting e1850 for same procedure. Shld i stay with optilase or do the obvious smart thing n save myself money for others.do u know if i can get my deposit bk tho

LipsyAddict · 26-03-2014 1:41pm

I had PRK Surgery done on 7th March 2014 - Tho it's not even 3 weeks yet i have to say i'm beyond happy with my results so far. I had it done with Optilase in Cork and am by no means affiliated with them whatsoever, the reason I came on here is to throw a positive light on the PRK route as after 3 or more months of research I really only found mostly negative feedback. The procedure itself was ok, i was very nervous but staff put me at ease. I cudn't believe what i cud see after surgery (i was -5.25 in my right eye and -7 in my left). The uncomfortable part didn't start until the saturday night, basically i just rode it out, i didn't use the steroid drops as i read they slow down the healing process. Sunday i was very light sensitive and my eyelids were swollen and my eyes just wanted to stay closed ALL the time. Monday they were better and so on every day after. I had bandage contact lenses removed on the Wed and had pretty good vision (one line under 20/20 in my right and 2 lines under in my left). I was able to drive that wed (accompanied in the car!). I went to work that fri for a half day - my eyes got very tired. I have had another consultation since and they are still healing well. My eyesight is not crisp but I can see so well and to not have to wear glasses or contacts is unreal.

My reasoning for writing this is that I wanted to put out a positive story about PRK recovery. It is obv still very early days but so far i have to say i'm delighted and if anyone has any questions I'd be happy to help as i didn't know anyone who had had PRK (only LASIK).

OpenAllHours · 09-11-2021 3:43pm

BEST DECISION I EVER MADE.

I'm involved in a lot of sports so wearing contact lenses was getting to be a pain. I also am a teacher so would constantly be taking on and off glasses and forgetting where I left them. I had LASIK surgery in Dublin in September 2021 and it was the best thing I ever did. Very professional before, during and after care second to none. Surgery itself took no length and very quick recovery.

Couldn't recommend it enough and if anyone has a particular question or needs a referral to get €100 off just send me a message!

The_Kew_Tour · 02-03-2022 11:31am

I am going for a consultation with them next month.

They told me over phone that's its roughly 600per eye. Is that about right? Seems cheaper than what I have seen or read.

Optilase

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