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Kw cert - where to get?

  • 24-08-2020 10:27am
    #1
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    My registration certificate does not have the bikes engine Max. Net Power (kw).



    Where can i get this that will satisfy the driving testers?


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  • #2
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    My registration certificate does not have the bikes engine Max. Net Power (kw).



    Where can i get this that will satisfy the driving testers?


    My tester googled the bike and was happy with that as my import cert stated my bike didn't have an engine size
    But he said that is a rare case that they are in the mood to do that.


    you could try an official garage report signed and stamped by the garage, they can ensure the Kw is written on the report to show the bike is unrestricted.


    Call up the NDLS / RSA and ask them what would be enough to show the max power. Ask for them to email confirmation of their answer as well so you can print it and bring it with you if the assessor tries to say otherwise.


  • #3
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    goblin59 wrote: »
    you could try an official garage report signed and stamped by the garage, they can ensure the Kw is written on the report to show the bike is unrestricted.
    Whats an official garage?


    I've gone to a yamaha dealer and he pawned me off to contact an importer! :confused:


  • #4
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Whats an official garage?


    I've gone to a yamaha dealer and he pawned me off to contact an importer! :confused:

    anyone registered really,
    has the bike been imported already or is it on foreign plates?


  • #5
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    goblin59 wrote: »
    anyone registered really,
    has the bike been imported already or is it on foreign plates?
    Imported in 2008.


  • #6
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Imported in 2008.


    You might be able to call up the NCTS and ask for a reissue of the vehicle registration documents with the Kw stated.


    from what i understood, the tester just wants to know if the bike is restricted and what the factory specs are for the engine size / power.
    he was happy when google brought my bike up on the RSA list.
    You could always print off this list and use a highlighter on your bike when you see it

    https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Learner-Drivers/Motorcyclists/Driving-Test-Vehicles---Motorcycles/


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  • #7
    zubair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    What bike is it? Back when I did my test, he just asked what i was riding and said ok.


  • #8
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    FZS600 Fazer.

    Clear as day on the list, but will refuse to test if no proof of KW.


  • #9
    zubair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    Bring your log book. Be grand.


  • #10
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    zubair wrote: »
    Bring your log book. Be grand.


    I think the OP is having the same issue i had. My bike is an import as well, and doesn't have the engine power listed which is what they want to see.


  • #11
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    zubair wrote: »
    Bring your log book. Be grand.

    His logbook doesn't show it, that's the problem.

    OP - go back and get Shannon to update the document and send out a new one. If imported, they (should) have a copy of the V5 when it was imported, which (should) have had it on it.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #12
    IrishGrimReaper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭IrishGrimReaper


    My log book didn't show it either, wasn't a problem for the full test. Mine was a popular bike for the test which may have helped but if your bike is common it won't be an issue.

    I explored getting it amended on the logbook and I needed a certificate of conformity, I approached Honda UK for this and they looked to charge me £100 so I didn't bother.


  • #13
    The QuietMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 627 ✭✭✭The QuietMan


    I got one for my DL650, went in to Lee Motorcycles, they just googled what it was (49KW) and put it on headed paper, I sent it along with the logbook to Shannon and they updated their system with the details and now it’s on the book. I did it in the hope of being able to use it for my test, it was 1kw short for that A test. Lee charged me €10 for it


  • #14
    zubair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭zubair


    IrishGrimReaper wrote: »
    My log book didn't show it either, wasn't a problem for the full test. Mine was a popular bike for the test which may have helped but if your bike is common it won't be an issue.

    Same for me, I brought my log book but being an import the field was blank. He didn't even look for the log book.


  • #15
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    zubair wrote: »
    Same for me, I brought my log book but being an import the field was blank. He didn't even look for the log book.
    Well was told this morning, if it's not on the logbook - no test.

    I'll be going down to M&A motorcycles to see if they'll put it on headed paper, as they're down as a "Yamaha dealer".


  • #16
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Well was told this morning, if it's not on the logbook - no test.

    I'll be going down to M&A motorcycles to see if they'll put it on headed paper, as they're down as a "Yamaha dealer".


    I would go with what you are told.
    My tester was in good humor as they had only just gotten back to testing.

    If you are running out of time to get everything, could you hire a bike from the driving school you did your IBT with?


  • #17
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    goblin59 wrote: »
    I would go with what you are told.
    My tester was in good humor as they had only just gotten back to testing.

    If you are running out of time to get everything, could you hire a bike from the driving school you did your IBT with?
    Tester said paper from a garage stating the KW would do.


  • #18
    goblin59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭goblin59


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Tester said paper from a garage stating the KW would do.

    Thats thankfully easy to get.


  • #19
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    Is it not common for log books Power output section to be blank if the bike is full power?


  • #20
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    I've my test within the next week and can't find my log book anywhere.

    Do we think a letter from a dealer will do without the log book?

    I'll give the RSA a bell on Monday obviously.


  • #21
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Acquiescence wrote: »
    I've my test within the next week and can't find my log book anywhere.

    Do we think a letter from a dealer will do without the log book?

    I'll give the RSA a bell on Monday obviously.

    I posted off for a logbook on Thursday last, arrived yesterday: Tuesday.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #22
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Having just checked my vehicle Registration Certificate, the Code (P.2) (Engine Max. Net Power) it reads '0'. Bike is not restricted.

    Have mailed motortax.ie to enquire how this can be updated to reflect the correct Kw.

    On a side note, it's really annoying ringing Shannon to go through all of the selections to be told that the phones are not manned and that you need to email ... waste of time


  • #23
    enrique66_35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭enrique66_35


    jim salter wrote: »
    Having just checked my vehicle Registration Certificate, the Code (P.2) (Engine Max. Net Power) it reads '0'. Bike is not restricted.

    Have mailed motortax.ie to enquire how this can be updated to reflect the correct Kw.

    On a side note, it's really annoying ringing Shannon to go through all of the selections to be told that the phones are not manned and that you need to email ... waste of time

    Be interested to know what kind of evidence they require to update it. Is it from any motorcycle garage or does it have to be a main dealer?

    I've an Fz6 that had the throttle stop restriction on it when I bought it (didn't know it cause I was a newb) but I've since bent the tab out of the way to unleash all 98 horsies. Would need the reg cert updated to match - it came marked as 25Kw - before I could do the A test on it though.


  • #24
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    enrique66_35 wrote: »
    Be interested to know what kind of evidence they require to update it. Is it from any motorcycle garage or does it have to be a main dealer?

    I've an Fz6 that had the throttle stop restriction on it when I bought it (didn't know it cause I was a newb) but I've since bent the tab out of the way to unleash all 98 horsies. Would need the reg cert updated to match - it came marked as 25Kw - before I could do the A test on it though.

    Have received a response from the Dept. of Transport referring me to my local tax office.

    Contacted them and they advised they cannot change this document to reflect the power output of the bike. They directed me to Rosslare (Revenue) and/or to the Dept. of Transport (whom I originally emailed) so I have emailed back.

    Will ring Rosslare on Monday.

    Does anyone know if I get a print out from a registered bike dealer stating the KW of the, will that satisfy the tester for an A license?


  • #25
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    jim salter wrote: »
    Does anyone know if I get a print out from a registered bike dealer stating the KW of the, will that satisfy the tester for an A license?
    I was told that yes it would, as mine also was blank when going for the test.


    I have a letter from a Yamaha garage stating output....for the next time. :(


  • #26
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    I contacted the Yamaha Ireland Facebook page. Seems to be Danfay Ltd. They sent me on the Certificate of Conformity for my bike with Chasis number etc. in no time at all.

    It was cracking customer service considering I hadn't and wasn't buying anything from them.


  • #27
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Acquiescence wrote: »
    I contacted the Yamaha Ireland Facebook page. Seems to be Danfay Ltd. They sent me on the Certificate of Conformity for my bike with Chasis number etc. in no time at all.

    It was cracking customer service considering I hadn't and wasn't buying anything from them.

    Wow, that's good


  • #28
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    To follow up on this.

    Contacted Kawasaki Ireland and they referred me to Bikeworld.

    Bikeworld came back this morning (2 weeks later) stating that it will cost €150 for a Certificate of Conformity - absolute joke. Whatever chance they had of me buying my next bike off them, there is none now (and I'm in the market for a brand new Z650 in March/April)


  • #29
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    And...what's even more perplexing : found this on their website: https://www.bikeworld.ie/site/services/certificate-of-conformity/

    It's listed as €95 on their website - wonder why they are trying to charge me 51% more


  • #30
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Would they accept a dyno run printout, seems a better use of your money!

    Scrap the cap!



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  • #31
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Don't know.

    Have gotten onto Kawasaki Ireland and Revenue (in Wexford) and will sort it out that way.


  • #32
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    You dont need to have proof of power for a category A test if the bike is on the RSA list.

    That is a fact & confirmed to me by the an ADI supervisor who checked it with the head of driver testing.

    I pre-test at 5 different test centres & have never come across anyone having a problem with a bike for a category A test


  • #33
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    You dont need to have proof of power for a category A test if the bike is on the RSA list.

    That is a fact & confirmed to me by the an ADI supervisor who checked it with the head of driver testing.

    I pre-test at 5 different test centres & have never come across anyone having a problem with a bike for a category A test

    That's your experience.

    Mine is different.


  • #34
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    jim salter wrote: »
    That's your experience.

    Mine is different.

    Yes it is & a lot more than yours as explained.


  • #35
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    Yes it is & a lot more than yours as explained.

    Are you actually arguing my actual experience :rolleyes:


  • #36
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    jim salter wrote: »
    Are you actually arguing my actual experience :rolleyes:

    Haha no!!!

    Not with all your experience!!!!

    If you were refused a test with a bike that is on the list you will get a free re-test if you get onto driver testing.


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  • #37
    jim salter
    Registered Users Posts: 680 ✭✭✭jim salter


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    Haha no!!!

    Not with all your experience!!!!

    If you were refused a test with a bike that is on the list you will get a free re-test if you get onto driver testing.

    Nice attitude.

    Just an FYI: I had been riding bikes up to 1995, moved abroad and did not renew my License(s) - a license which, by the way, was part of the car license up until relatively recently. Decided last year to get back into bikes after 20+ years away.

    But what do I know, what do I need to know ? When we have know-it-alls like yourself to tell us when what we actually experienced :rolleyes:

    Unless you have something positive to add why not refrain from commenting again?


  • #38
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    jim salter wrote: »
    Nice attitude.

    Just an FYI: I had been riding bikes up to 1995, moved abroad and did not renew my License(s) - a license which, by the way, was part of the car license up until relatively recently. Decided last year to get back into bikes after 20+ years away.

    But what do I know, what do I need to know ? When we have know-it-alls like yourself to tell us when what we actually experienced :rolleyes:

    Unless you have something positive to add why not refrain from commenting again?

    You are getting confused??
    Its nothing to do with how long you are riding a bike as that won't make any difference???

    Have you been refused a test?

    I thought you might have being interested in not having to spend money on a power cert you dont need??

    Is that not positive???


  • #39
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    jim salter wrote: »
    a license which, by the way, was part of the car license up until relatively recently.

    Well I passed my car test in 1994, got my first bike provisional in 1995, it was not "part of the car licence" then and that's 25 years ago!

    Scrap the cap!



  • #40
    Anthony Low Schoolteacher
    Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Anthony Low Schoolteacher


    jim salter wrote: »
    To follow up on this.

    Contacted Kawasaki Ireland and they referred me to Bikeworld.

    Bikeworld came back this morning (2 weeks later) stating that it will cost €150 for a Certificate of Conformity - absolute joke. Whatever chance they had of me buying my next bike off them, there is none now (and I'm in the market for a brand new Z650 in March/April)


    If I was you I would go on the bikeworld website (if they are the importer, which they appear to be if Kawasaki told you to go to the) download the logo off the website and make up your own cert and use that, the tester won't question it.

    Edit - they are , so the cert will need to say "Kawasaki Distributors Ireland (K.D.I.) trading as bikeworld"

    If you pm me the details eg chassis number etc I will make the cert for you and email it to you to print out.


  • #41
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    You dont need to have proof of power for a category A test if the bike is on the RSA list.

    That is a fact & confirmed to me by the an ADI supervisor who checked it with the head of driver testing.

    I pre-test at 5 different test centres & have never come across anyone having a problem with a bike for a category A test
    Well then clearly their organization and/or employees are not trained correctly.


    Who'd a thunk it?! :pac:


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  • #42
    mgbgt1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,245 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Well I passed my car test in 1994, got my first bike provisional in 1995, it was not "part of the car licence" then and that's 25 years ago!


    Car Licence since 1986.
    Even back then we had to have a separate Provisional for Bikes, as they were not included.



    Off topic I know, but up until the late '90s (possibly even after that) most Car Insurer's "driving other Cars" sections also included M/Cycles, if you had a Licence for them.


  • #43
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Well then clearly their organization and/or employees are not trained correctly.


    Who'd a thunk it?! :pac:

    If it can't be restricted to meet category A2, then it's definitely an A bike, so no problem.

    If it's an "A, A2 if Restricted" bike then they might need proof that it's not restricted. But the only real proof is a dyno :)

    Scrap the cap!



  • #44
    Anthony Low Schoolteacher
    Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Anthony Low Schoolteacher


    The lesson learned here is buy a proper bike to do the test on to get an A, there are a reason every instructor uses a bloody bandit because they are easy to drive and have the power for the test.


  • #45
    Taylor365
    Registered Users Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Taylor365


    Crew Brief Hedgehog wrote: »
    The lesson learned here is buy a proper bike to do the test on to get an A, there are a reason every instructor uses a bloody bandit because they are easy to drive and have the power for the test.
    Are you saying a Yamaha FZ6 isn't a common as muck 600cc cat A bike that is clearly on the advertised list on their own website?


    Because the tester didn't! - "If it's not on the logbook or stated on something from an official garage, you can't go out on it."



    Mulhuddart test centre by the way.


  • #46
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Well then clearly their organization and/or employees are not trained correctly.


    Who'd a thunk it?! :pac:

    Agreed.
    Any problem with a bike not being accepted for test that is on the RSA list then report the examinner to driver testing & you will get another test arranged as the examinner cant refuse it on power requirements


  • #47
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    Taylor365 wrote: »
    Are you saying a Yamaha FZ6 isn't a common as muck 600cc cat A bike that is clearly on the advertised list on their own website?


    Because the tester didn't! - "If it's not on the logbook or stated on something from an official garage, you can't go out on it."



    Mulhuddart test centre by the way.

    FZ6 is a category A bike & is on the RSA list so no further proof of power required.

    If you were refused a test on power grounds report the examiner to driver testing.
    You will get a new test arranged & will be able to use your bike.


  • #48
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    have you been refused a test?

    I thought you might have being interested in not having to spend money on a power cert you dont need??

    Is that not positive???

    KW was incorrect on my VRC. Queried it with tester a couple of days before my test. He said I wouldn't be able to sit the test without proof of KW.

    My bike is on the RSA list.

    Personally I'd rather be wrong and tested when scheduled than right and pootling home to complain to the RSA.


  • #49
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    Acquiescence wrote: »
    KW was incorrect on my VRC. Queried it with tester a couple of days before my test. He said I wouldn't be able to sit the test without proof of KW.

    My bike is on the RSA list.

    Personally I'd rather be wrong and tested when scheduled than right and pootling home to complain to the RSA.

    Well he will go by whats on it so if its incorrect (under 50kw) he wont take it & he is right not to.

    If it blank he has to take it


  • #50
    Acquiescence
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭Acquiescence


    Roadcraft wrote: »
    Well he will go by whats on it so if its incorrect (under 50kw) he wont take it & he is right not to.

    If it blank he has to take it

    It was around 5 million KW.

    I believe it's a default with imports sometimes.

    I showed him the bike on the RSA list.

    He said he would still require proof so I got some.


  • #51
    Roadcraft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Roadcraft


    Acquiescence wrote: »
    It was around 5 million KW.

    I believe it's a default with imports sometimes.

    I showed him the bike on the RSA list.

    He said he would still require proof so I got some.
    Yes thats a get out code on the computer 5555555.

    Examiner is wrong & needs reporting or he will just keep doing this & go get himself another coffee & have another hour break!!


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