Vuelta a España stage 9: Castrillo del Val to Aguilar de Campoo (157.7km)

Chivito550 · 29-10-2020 8:04pm

I read the below on Cyclingnews forum? Any idea what this is about?

"Ackermann seems to say afterwards that the relegation was over Bennett head butting him? And that the objection was from Bora? What? Have we all been discussing the wrong incident or has something been lost in translation? Surely they were nowhere near each other?"

dastardly00 · 29-10-2020 8:17pm

https://twitter.com/friebos/status/1321887173654777857

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 8:28pm

Do they publish the reason and evidence for disqualification?

eagle eye · 29-10-2020 8:36pm

breezy1985 wrote:

I think if Sam had let him in closer before he hit him the same barge suddenly looks defensive in a replay and he gets off with it

This is spot on. He made the move too early, he would have come closer and then it'd certainly have been deemed self-defense.

happytramp wrote:

Cyclingnews official stage preview for tomorrow says "last 2k rise at an average of 5% but shouldn't overly trouble the sprinters and their trains".... hmmm, does that add up?

I severely doubt this.

I think we are all on the same side as regards wanting Sam to win. What he did has resulted in disqualification consistently over the last couple of years. We just have to accept this is how cycling works these days.

happytramp · 29-10-2020 8:43pm

eagle eye wrote: »

This is spot on. He made the move too early, he would have come closer and then it'd certainly have been deemed self-defense.

I severely doubt this.

I think we are all on the same side as regards wanting Sam to win. What he did has resulted in disqualification consistently over the last couple of years. We just have to accept this is how cycling works these days.

Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?

harringtonp · 29-10-2020 8:52pm

When I saw it I thought that's trouble, was then surprised to see him give the interview with everything looking fine.

Its something he needs to watch, anyone remember the triple Quintana bump in the middle of a stage ? He got cited for that too.

happytramp · 29-10-2020 9:06pm

harringtonp wrote: »

When I saw it I thought that's trouble, was then surprised to see him give the interview with everything looking fine.

Its something he needs to watch, anyone remember the triple Quintana bump in the middle of a stage ? He got cited for that too.

Yeah, he was criticised early in his career for not being assertive enough in the sprint... Kelly always said he needed to throw his shoulder about a bit more. That's probably where its coming from.

breezy1985 · 29-10-2020 9:33pm

happytramp wrote: »

Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?

Make Sammy B number 33

mr spuckler · 29-10-2020 9:36pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Do they publish the reason and evidence for disqualification?

From here

The UCI issued a belated statement about the relegation: "UCI Commissaires’ Panel relegated rider Sam Bennett (Deceuninck–Quick-Step) for shouldering off another rider at 500m to go of the 9th stage of La Vuelta. The decision, taken unanimously, was based on television footage and taken as per article 2.12.007 of UCI Regulations sanctioning 'deviation from the chosen line or irregular sprint'. Both the rider and the team’s Sports Director have been heard by the Panel."

mr spuckler · 29-10-2020 9:43pm

happytramp wrote: »

Any chance for Sam tomorrow?

The profile suggests it's unlikely to me, last 1.5km at 5.9% and a good few bumps in the last 60km or so.

That said the current betting is a bit bizarre!

Sam 5/4
Aranburu 12/1
Roglic 14/1
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Ackermann 28/1

Chivito550 · 29-10-2020 11:13pm

mr spuckler wrote: »

The profile suggests it's unlikely to me, last 1.5km at 5.9% and a good few bumps in the last 60km or so.

That said the current betting is a bit bizarre!

Sam 5/4
Aranburu 12/1
Roglic 14/1
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Ackermann 28/1

Sean Kelly was saying on the Breakaway that assuming the weather is calm tomorrow and the peleton doesn't get broken up by crosswinds, that he finds it hard to see anyone beating Bennett.

29-10-2020 11:28pm

Wasn't there a stage in Turkey with a similar finish he won? Burgos this year but that was largely determined by the team getting him there first and others looking around and a crash while he buried himself.

CramCycle · 29-10-2020 11:48pm

Weepsie wrote: »

I said when Sagan was demoted at the tour de France that people would have been saying "oh that's racing" if it were Sam and thus it presents itself today.

Sagans was of course slightly different as it was at the sprint, be he also (and it wasn't taken into account) had some moron spectator dangle a selfie stick out in front of him at the time

Sagan and Cavendish have gotten away with far worse, only in the last year they have been reigned in.

happytramp wrote: »

Absolutely not... I 100% believe if we complain hard enough on social media we can get the DQ overturned. Worked with Thierry Henry's handball didn't it?

Worked for Cavendish, he got a rider thrown out for less

30-10-2020 12:07am

Great interview with Nico Roche on the breakaway tonight. Could see him as a DS in a few years.

eagle eye · 30-10-2020 12:11am

CramCycle wrote:

Sagan and Cavendish have gotten away with far worse, only in the last year they have been reigned in.

Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.

CramCycle · 30-10-2020 12:19am

eagle eye wrote: »

Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.

Because of Cavendish moaning on social media, plenty of times Sagan should have been DQd, that wasn't one of them

dastardly00 · 30-10-2020 12:32am

eagle eye wrote: »

Satan was DQ'd from the Tour a couple of years back.

You mean Didi The Devil?

happytramp · 30-10-2020 9:20am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7QDJucsaaY

This is today's finish I believe.

Steve SilverMint · 30-10-2020 10:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Great interview with Nico Roche on the breakaway tonight. Could see him as a DS in a few years.

Yes for sure Nico has a head on his shoulders. He was a great signing for Sunweb.

On a side note I’m really enjoying the breakaway, Dan Lloyd, Kelly and Smith are great on it. Not as keen on Wiggins but what can you do

Raoul Duke · 30-10-2020 12:58pm

happytramp wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7QDJucsaaY

This is today's finish I believe.

If that matches today's stage, then it looks like another stage win for Roglic for me. I don't know what sprinters there were in that peloton or what the rest of the stage looked like (it might have been a mountainy stage), but it ended up being a GC/classics rider battle.

Edit: Actually found this in on some website, "We were here in 2008, but the stage was harder than this. When the bunch got to the finish, the peloton was already quite small, and Bettini won the sprint ahead of Rebellin and Cunego. The final kilometre seems to go on forever, it is harder than it looks on paper."

So maybe Sam has a chance.

Raoul Duke · 30-10-2020 2:49pm

The first that I heard about the relegation was on the Cycling Podcast. They were talking about Sam using his head and agreed with the decision.

Watching the incident back, I can't see how they think it was a headbutt-like movement. Comparing it to Sagan's relegation isn't fair. This was just 2 hefty shoulders. If shouldering isn't allowed, then fair enough with the relegation.

But I agree with Sam's interview this morning, where he said that it's unfair with just the use of this angle to relegate him. You can't properly see the angle of the approaching barriers and if he had a legitimate claim that he was protecting himself.

Vuelta a España stage 9: Castrillo del Val to Aguilar de Campoo (157.7km)

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