Water Bottle Cage Screws

jeffk · 20-06-2019 11:10pm #1

Are they made with gold or the like?

Basically don't cycle enough so get cheapest stuff, other day broke plastic water bottle holder from homestore and then some effort to get screw out(cheap screw and head bore off slightly)

Looked and seen a metal cage in halfords for E5, sounds ok.
Go in and see no screws, look online £2.50 for two so I said ill chance my arm and see if any going from workshop, no, told 3 something to buy them(over half the price of the cage)

Got the name (m5 x 20mm bolt) and called a DIY etc places and went in passing them and not a hope of getting them

Mad how the little things in cycle seem to work out the most awkward/expensive

dahat · 20-06-2019 11:11pm

Cable ties, no need for screws.

jeffk · 20-06-2019 11:12pm

dahat wrote: »

Cable ties, no need for screws.

Looking that way, just had screws and worked well with cage and pump holder stacked

hesker · 20-06-2019 11:28pm

You’re not looking in the right places.

I get all my bolts in a metal works shop for real cheap, possibly 10-20 cent for an M5 bolt

jeffk · 20-06-2019 11:32pm

hesker wrote: »

You’re not looking in the right places.

I get all my bolts in a metal works shop for real cheap, possibly 10-20 cent for an M5 bolt

Whats the name of the place?

I tried
Goodwins
The Fixing Company
Commons Road Hardware
Chadwicks
Navan Hire, they suggested some place, but then postage be more than screws

RS Radionics have them in boxes of 50 and im in Blanch so no good

hesker · 20-06-2019 11:38pm

I don’t live in Dublin so you should google for metal works shops near you. Presuming you live in Dublin obviously.

sullzz · 20-06-2019 11:40pm

jeffk wrote: »

Are they made with gold or the like?

Basically don't cycle enough so get cheapest stuff, other day broke plastic water bottle holder from homestore and then some effort to get screw out(cheap screw and head bore off slightly)

Looked and seen a metal cage in halfords for E5, sounds ok.
Go in and see no screws, look online £2.50 for two so I said ill chance my arm and see if any going from workshop, no, told 3 something to buy them(over half the price of the cage)

Got the name (m5 x 20mm bolt) and called a DIY etc places and went in passing them and not a hope of getting them

Mad how the little things in cycle seem to work out the most awkward/expensive

Seriously mate, 3 euro for them from the workshop and you walk away, how much did you spend on fuel driving around trying to find them.
If you really wanted them you'd part with 3euro for them.
I'm sure if you're that stuck we might find a few M5 bolts between us all and send them out to you.

jeffk · 20-06-2019 11:47pm

sullzz wrote: »

Seriously mate, 3 euro for them from the workshop and you walk away, how much did you spend on fuel driving around trying to find them.
If you really wanted them you'd part with 3euro for them.
I'm sure if you're that stuck we might find a few M5 bolts between us all and send them out to you.

No fuel as places I went I was getting other stuff or literally pasing it

I got a cage and screws for less than two euro in homestore, unfortunately none in now

Bit much selling an item that's basically useless without a hidden extra cost. Reminds me of ikea charging for lids for storage boxes

Cage and screws is x not cage is x, oh you want to attach it to the bike, that will be half that cost again

ED E · 20-06-2019 11:59pm

jeffk wrote: »

Whats the name of the place?

I tried
Goodwins
The Fixing Company
Commons Road Hardware
Chadwicks
Navan Hire, they suggested some place, but then postage be more than screws

RS Radionics have them in boxes of 50 and im in Blanch so no good

Lenihans?

https://www.lenehans.ie/

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-06-2019 12:02am

jeffk wrote: »

Bit much selling an item that's basically useless without a hidden extra cost. Reminds me of ikea charging for lids for storage boxes

Cage and screws is x not cage is x, oh you want to attach it to the bike, that will be half that cost again

In my experience bikes come with the bolts fitted. I have never come across bolts sold along with a bottle cage before.

jeffk · 21-06-2019 12:06am

ED E wrote: »

Lenihans?

https://www.lenehans.ie/

I think from only only a screw looking thing

Shame never in town as I'd say that be a great chance of getting one

letape · 21-06-2019 12:08am

jeffk wrote: »

Bit much selling an item that's basically useless without a hidden extra cost. Reminds me of ikea charging for lids for storage boxes

Cage and screws is x not cage is x, oh you want to attach it to the bike, that will be half that cost again

It’s not a hidden extra cost. Bottle cage bolts come fitted with the frame and should not need to be replaced. I have never seen them sold with cages before.

Have you tried woodies?

jeffk · 21-06-2019 12:08am

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

In my experience bikes come with the bolts fitted. I have never come across bolts sold along with a bottle cage before.

Of course with my luck my bike didn't come with any.

Pity as id say wouldn't have lost their head as easy at the ones I did get

ED E · 21-06-2019 12:08am

I needed M3/M2 before and they didnt have it but had M4 and up, I think. Buried down the back somewhere.

letape · 21-06-2019 12:08am

jeffk wrote: »

Bit much selling an item that's basically useless without a hidden extra cost. Reminds me of ikea charging for lids for storage boxes

Cage and screws is x not cage is x, oh you want to attach it to the bike, that will be half that cost again

It’s not a hidden extra cost. Bottle cage bolts come fitted with the frame and should not need to be replaced. I have never seen them sold with cages before.

Have you tried woodies?

jeffk · 21-06-2019 12:11am

letape wrote: »

It’s not a hidden extra cost. Bottle cage bolts come fitted with the frame and should not need to be replaced. I have never seen them sold with cages before.

Have you tried woodies?

Then someone in the shop took them off mine before selling the bike

Oh yeah sorry I did, again more a screw than Alan key in box of 50

Idealy I had planned to cycle to a place, then could test out something like it

jeffk · 21-06-2019 12:25am

Bike in shop the day I bought it, remember asking whys there two holes in it

ted1 · 21-06-2019 12:28am

jeffk wrote: »

No fuel as places I went I was getting other stuff or literally pasing it

I got a cage and screws for less than two euro in homestore, unfortunately none in now

Bit much selling an item that's basically useless without a hidden extra cost. Reminds me of ikea charging for lids for storage boxes

Cage and screws is x not cage is x, oh you want to attach it to the bike, that will be half that cost again

Frames generally have screws on them. No need to supply them with cages

cletus · 21-06-2019 6:23am

What you're looking for is an M5 button head screw (more correctly machine screw). Large chain stores will only sell bags or boxes of them.

If you go to a local hardware store, they are usually sold individually, and for only a few cents.

Fighting Tao · 21-06-2019 6:49am

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/clarks-bottle-cage-bolts/

Peter T · 21-06-2019 8:35am

Have you tried any motor factors ? they'd have racks of nuts, bolts, washers etc

magicbastarder · 21-06-2019 8:38am

just pop back to the bike shop and ask them for the bolts.

Type 17 · 21-06-2019 8:40am

Your LBS should give you them for free or a few cent. M5 stuff is all over bikes - mudguard/rack stays, bottle cages, etc...

Tip: be sure to grease the bottle cage bolt before fitting - corrosion makes them stick, causing the Rivnuts to come loose and rotate in the frame...

lennymc · 21-06-2019 10:08am

one of the reasons the bolts will ring or break can be due to galvanic corrosion and the different metal types (helicoil in frame & whatever the bolt is made of). To counter this, if you use some copper grease on the threads of the bolt as you tighten them, you should have no problems with breaking or ringing the bolts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion

https://www.halfords.ie/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/grease/halfords-copper-grease-500g

Copper grease is also great on pedals, stem bolts, and basically anything that has a thread.

marvin80 · 21-06-2019 11:22am

Just under €4 for 4 of them delivered!

https://galibier.cc/product/bottle-cage-bolts/?currency=EUR

jeffk · 21-06-2019 12:47pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Just under €4 for 4 of them delivered!

https://galibier.cc/product/bottle-cage-bolts/?currency=EUR

Ordered, thanks

Thanks to everyone for suggestions as well

cletus · 21-06-2019 1:54pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Just under €4 for 4 of them delivered!

https://galibier.cc/product/bottle-cage-bolts/?currency=EUR

https://www.accu.co.uk/en/socket-button-screws/8147-SSB-M5-10-A2?google_shopping=1&c=1&mkwid=_dm&pcrid=317140520079&kword=&match=&plid=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgLLoBRDyARIsACRAZe7PIQ5Z7wJb2dMOQDgFat1JgBVZCIX08e8C2os0uDKeTYj5MKB1ZOYaAhe2EALw_wcB

This is the sort of price I would have expected to pay, but then these are not anodised cool colours

marvin80 · 21-06-2019 2:05pm

cletus wrote: »

https://www.accu.co.uk/en/socket-button-screws/8147-SSB-M5-10-A2?google_shopping=1&c=1&mkwid=_dm&pcrid=317140520079&kword=&match=&plid=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgLLoBRDyARIsACRAZe7PIQ5Z7wJb2dMOQDgFat1JgBVZCIX08e8C2os0uDKeTYj5MKB1ZOYaAhe2EALw_wcB

This is the sort of price I would have expected to pay, but then these are not anodised cool colours

Delivery is a killer there at €8

cletus · 21-06-2019 2:18pm

True, but the local hardware wouldn't charge delivery:D

jeffk · 25-06-2019 4:33pm

marvin80 wrote: »

Just under €4 for 4 of them delivered!

https://galibier.cc/product/bottle-cage-bolts/?currency=EUR

Arrived today, one of them would fit ok and then the other kept spinning.

I tried on their own and seem to go in ok, so tired with cage and/or pump holder but again kept spinning, felt lose and then one i had to tilt and pull as a tried to take it out

The screws are now damaged and i hope the screw holes in my break frame are not damaged from this

EDIT
Emailed them and got full refund ( which I wasn't expected at all )and quick reply.

They say you need to start them at 90 degrees (news to me) , I have two left so I will try again and if not its cable ties or superglue or something

Type 17 · 25-06-2019 7:20pm

These bolts are aluminium and so it's really easy to damage the threads on them.

Use some grease on the threads.

If things are spinning, then:

Check if the rivnut (the threaded part in your bike frame) is spinning, or if the spinning is due to the threads on the bolt (or in the rivnut itself) being stripped off.

If the rivnut is spinning, you might be able to re-tighten it with a steel bolt and several large M5 washers and a pliers (ask for details if required)

If the rivnut is stripped, you'll need to find someone with a few spare M5 rivnuts and a rivnut setting tool (an engineering place rather than a bike shop).

jeffk · 25-06-2019 9:50pm

Type 17 wrote: »

These bolts are aluminium and so it's really easy to damage the threads on them.

Use some grease on the threads.

If things are spinning, then:

Check if the rivnut (the threaded part in your bike frame) is spinning, or if the spinning is due to the threads on the bolt (or in the rivnut itself) being stripped off.

If the rivnut is spinning, you might be able to re-tighten it with a steel bolt and several large M5 washers and a pliers (ask for details if required)

If the rivnut is stripped, you'll need to find someone with a few spare M5 rivnuts and a rivnut setting tool (an engineering place rather than a bike shop).

Thanks for all the replies and information, really a novice at this and I know its something stupid and all small and should not be such an issue

I think Ill go to halfords on bike a say whats happening, do they fit them without charge and if they go in ok that's that

If not then Ill be back to you as likely rivnut is knackered, unlikely with the bolts being aluminum as you said

Finnrocco · 26-06-2019 10:01am

Go to Local Bike Shop, ask them to fit.

Buy a tube or something and they will probably fit it for free (I know I would).

68 lost souls · 26-06-2019 10:12am

Last set of bottle cages I bought came with new screws, although they were Carbon cages (half price in halfords)

cletus · 26-06-2019 10:17am

If you look at the threads on the screw you'll be able to see whether they're damaged or not

jeffk · 26-06-2019 11:10am

Went to halfords and he took a new set of bolts off a cage on the floor, wouldn't work, tried a bolt he had there and then looked on wall of bolts etc to no joy.
Helpful and seemed to have a clue rather than you usual halfords staff member (think it helped he cycles himself)

Went down to LBS (cyclezone) tried the standard bolt to no joy, then got a tool which I think basically cleaned the threads (was a t-bar thing, couldn't see exactly) and the screws went in no bother

So much messing over two bolts, thanks for the help/advice/suggestions

Type 17 · 26-06-2019 12:36pm

The t-handled thing is a handle to hold an M5 tap (from a tap-and-die set), which is used to cut new threads, or (as in your case) chase out damaged threads.

jeffk · 26-06-2019 12:39pm

Type 17 wrote: »

The t-handled thing is a handle to hold an M5 tap (from a tap-and-die set), which is used to cut new threads, or (as in your case) chase out damaged threads.

That's what I was thinking as for love nor Money the screw wouldn't go in, so wasn't biting on a thread to pull it in

That there goes to show difference between halfords and a LBS

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