Boy A and Boy B guilty

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:17pm #1

And rightly so

Tomw86 · 18-06-2019 2:18pm

What sentence will they get, being charged as juveniles?

Beechwoodspark · 18-06-2019 2:19pm

Scum

Pure scum

shocksy · 18-06-2019 2:19pm

Justice has been served. Hopefully life in prison.

punisher5112 · 18-06-2019 2:19pm

Excellent but also disappointed as they won't see any hard time or actually punishment....

Absolute filth.

laradevire · 18-06-2019 2:19pm

Rightly so. Although I thought Boy B might be found guilty of manslaughter instead.

markc1184 · 18-06-2019 2:20pm

The correct outcome.

inajock · 18-06-2019 2:20pm

Well done the jury

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:20pm

Tomw86 wrote: »

What sentence will they get, being charged as juveniles?

Life imprisonment

Strazdas · 18-06-2019 2:21pm

Not surprised Boy B was found guilty. He told lie after lie after lie under interrogation and seemed remarkably cool and composed while being questioned.

gmisk · 18-06-2019 2:21pm

Such a horrendous and horrific crime the poor girls family.
Seemed no doubt they did it, hopefully they get a decent sentence.

Hoboo · 18-06-2019 2:21pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Not surprised Boy B was found guilty. He told lie after lie after lie under interrogation and seemed remarkably cool and composed while being questioned.

Did you see the tapes?

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:22pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Not surprised Boy B was found guilty. He told lie after lie after lie under interrogation and seemed remarkably cool and composed while being questioned.

Yeah, I reckon he knew exactly what was going to happen all along. Very cunning and devious individual

spurious · 18-06-2019 2:23pm

Gerry G wrote: »

Yeah, I reckon he knew exactly what was going to happen all along. Very cunning and devious individual

Local knowledge would suggest otherwise, but terrible case all round.

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:24pm

OSI wrote: »

But he wasn't charged with lying, he was charged with murder and from the details we got about the trial there seemed to be pretty much nothing tying him to it so I'm surprised to see the verdict. Would expect that one to be appealed and wouldn't shock me to see it overturned.

He was there when she was murdered and didnt try to stop it. He's guilty by association. There'll be no successful appeal of imagine

jmayo · 18-06-2019 2:26pm

Strazdas wrote: »

Not surprised Boy B was found guilty. He told lie after lie after lie under interrogation and seemed remarkably cool and composed while being questioned.

Maybe it is the amount of Criminal Minds I have watched but he seemed like a calculating little fecker.

Also why should he get off, he lured the girl there, did nothing to help her and then lied after the fact.

And as for life we all know that is joke and even for the worst adults it really means just about 16 years with the usual automatic years off for just being in jail.

They will be out before they are 25.

BarryD2 · 18-06-2019 2:27pm

The jury seemed to take quite a while to give their verdict which I thought was puzzling?

emo72 · 18-06-2019 2:29pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

The jury seemed to take quite a while to give their verdict which I thought was puzzling?

Was it 2 full days even?

GRACKEA · 18-06-2019 2:30pm

I was so relieved to hear this verdict. Ana's treatment in life and also her horrible death really effected me. I was an awkward teenage girl myself and possibly saw myself or some of my peers in her. I certainly saw some of my male classmates' attitudes in these lads' comments about her. RIP and I hope her family can now grieve properly.

Realtai · 18-06-2019 2:31pm

I am delighted they were found guilty!!! I was bullied myself, so I am glad that some justice was served.

Unfortunately, I bet they will only get a year in a juvenile detention centre, and then time off for good behaviour...either way they will be out once they turn 18. You know how this country is very soft on criminals :rolleyes:

Strazdas · 18-06-2019 2:33pm

OSI wrote: »

But he wasn't charged with lying, he was charged with murder and from the details we got about the trial there seemed to be pretty much nothing tying him to it so I'm surprised to see the verdict. Would expect that one to be appealed and wouldn't shock me to see it overturned.

The sheer number of lies he told (even several days into questioning) would suggest his entire testimony cannot be trusted.

Also, he never seems to have broken down or become upset under questioning. It sounds like his very demeanour landed him a guilty verdict.

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:49pm

Realtai wrote: »

I am delighted they were found guilty!!! I was bullied myself, so I am glad that some justice was served.

Unfortunately, I bet they will only get a year in a juvenile detention centre, and then time off for good behaviour...either way they will be out once they turn 18. You know how this country is very soft on criminals :rolleyes:

No, I think in case they def wont be out by the time they are 18

Jupiter Mulligan · 18-06-2019 2:49pm

They may get lenient sentences, but seemingly their identity is so well know locally that they'll probably have to relocate - maybe to another country - when they get out.

I wonder will both sets of parents also feel the need to relocate.

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 2:53pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

They may get lenient sentences, but seemingly their identity is so well know locally that they'll probably have to relocate - maybe to another country - when they get out.

I wonder will both sets of parents also feel the need to relocate.

I would imagine it would be impossible to stay living in the locality. I haven't seen anything to suggest that these boys had a troubled upbringing that we hear about all the time. Would imagine it would be extremely difficult for both sets of parents to get on with life in the locality as normal

Franko. · 18-06-2019 2:54pm

Really happy these two animals are going down for this. Was it ever established whether there was a connection between those lads and the pics Anna's mother found on her phone of Anna tied up and blindfolded. Bizarre...

BloodBath · 18-06-2019 3:05pm

2 little psychos. Should have got the death penalty.

blastman · 18-06-2019 3:27pm

A friend works within the prison system, and apparently the two of them were being seen as quite the celebrities while the case was going on. I have to say that sickened me when I heard that.....

....... · 18-06-2019 3:35pm

Gerry G wrote: »

I would imagine it would be impossible to stay living in the locality. I haven't seen anything to suggest that these boys had a troubled upbringing that we hear about all the time. Would imagine it would be extremely difficult for both sets of parents to get on with life in the locality as normal

I would imagine ALL the families will have to move.

Ana's parents will probably end up having to move too because they will be hassled and taunted by other scum.

I am glad that both boys were convicted of murder but I doubt they will get much in the line of punishment.

Boy A should really be confined to a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his life.

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 3:37pm

....... wrote: »

I would imagine ALL the families will have to move.

Ana's parents will probably end up having to move too because they will be hassled and taunted by other scum.

I am glad that both boys were convicted of murder but I doubt they will get much in the line of punishment.

Boy A should really be confined to a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his life.

Whatever happens its incredibly sad for all involved and effectively life will never be the same for any of the parties. If the 2 little murderers are as devious as they seem, they will probably have the easiest ride of all while showing no remorse

....... · 18-06-2019 3:49pm

Gerry G wrote: »

Whatever happens its incredibly sad for all involved and effectively life will never be the same for any of the parties. If the 2 little murderers are as devious as they seem, they will probably have the easiest ride of all while showing no remorse

Many many lives ruined here.

Did Boy A admit to it?

punisher5112 · 18-06-2019 4:58pm

....... wrote: »

Many many lives ruined here.

Did Boy A admit to it?

No he didn't....

Infernal Racket · 18-06-2019 6:05pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

No he didn't....

I think he did, he just didnt plead guilty in court

punisher5112 · 18-06-2019 6:50pm

Gerry G wrote: »

I think he did, he just didnt plead guilty in court

He plead not guilty and lied the whole time!!! How is that admitting????

2Mad2BeMad · 18-06-2019 6:57pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

He plead not guilty and lied the whole time!!! How is that admitting????

You can admit to something but deny the charge against you. Court is basically politics. It's all fancy words. It's the reason the solicitors exist. There the TD's of the court room

Graces7 · 18-06-2019 7:28pm

RTE posted a detailled item re sentencing

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0618/1056052-ana-kriegel-trial-what-happens-next/

Hardcharger · 19-06-2019 8:31pm

The barbarity cold calculation the denial of guilt and the age the boys makes this case uniquely disturbing.

These boys should never be released however they will probably will be out in their 20s after years of counselling one to one tutoring - they come across as very bright so they will do well academically - and good behavior - hard to misbehave if they are kept segregated for their own safety from the general population?

They seem to be on the extreme edge of the psychopath spectrum especially Boy A who is not only manipulative but extremely violent and a sexual deviant. They will simply be more dangerous when they get older.

That's neither here nor dare. We don't jail people for life and they will "rehabilitated" and free to go.

In confinement they will fantasize about killing again..

punisher5112 · 19-06-2019 8:35pm

The person found guilty of forwarding their images or those of family members can get up to 3 to 4 years in prison.

I actually find this so annoying as the limelight again is on the criminal and how they can be protected....

In the wild they would have to fend for themselves...

realitykeeper · 19-06-2019 10:33pm

laradevire wrote: »

Rightly so. Although I thought Boy B might be found guilty of manslaughter instead.

I think to be found guilty of manslaughter, he would have had to be charged with that and I don`t think he was. Besides, that would not have been an appropriate charge given that manslaughter implies a spur of the moment response and if he did deliberately lead her to her death, as the Gardaí and jury found, that would imply premeditation.

I thought he might be found innocent but then I was not on the jury. His father`s outburst did not impress me. The company he kept (boy A) was perhaps also an indication of Boy B`s character.

fryup · 19-06-2019 10:40pm

whats to stop some overseas based website/blog from naming them??? can they be stopped?

realitykeeper · 19-06-2019 10:43pm

GRACKEA wrote: »

I was so relieved to hear this verdict. Ana's treatment in life and also her horrible death really effected me. I was an awkward teenage girl myself and possibly saw myself or some of my peers in her. I certainly saw some of my male classmates' attitudes in these lads' comments about her. RIP and I hope her family can now grieve properly.

Indeed. This is so sad and I feel terrible for her parents. I think they are good people who did their best for her and loved her very much.

NSAman · 19-06-2019 10:49pm

DOn't know all the facts of this case but have been following some of it. Cold and calculating seems to be BoyA.... My heart goes out to the girls parents.. God love her, she seems to have had an awful time being bulled by her peers. Perhaps and I hope (but doubt) that parents of kids who knew her, will sit down and have a long hard chat with their own kids to stop this happening to any other child.

I know you cannot blame the parents always... but from what I have read, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Not naming them is the ONLY saving grace these two scum have, i am sure everyone locally knows who they are. In my opinion, they should be named now that they have been convicted....

punisher5112 · 19-06-2019 10:49pm

fryup wrote: »

whats to stop some overseas based website/blog from naming them??? can they be stopped?

Dark web probably not but if you had the image or forward it then issues arise...

TCM · 19-06-2019 10:55pm

Strazdas wrote:

Not surprised Boy B was found guilty. He told lie after lie after lie under interrogation and seemed remarkably cool and composed while being questioned.

I'm actually very surprised boy b was found guilty of murder. No forensic evidence against him whatsoever. Also the jury asked if they could consider manslaughter charge. Judge refused.
I foresee boy b appealing.

fryup · 19-06-2019 11:01pm

^^^^^^

i was too to be honest....thought he'd be found guilty of perverting the course of justice, but not murder

he'll definitely appeal

realitykeeper · 19-06-2019 11:06pm

fryup wrote: »

whats to stop some overseas based website/blog from naming them??? can they be stopped?

I guess not, only Irish media can be stopped. I don`t know if Ana had living relatives in Russia. If so, are they likely to hear about her murder? It was a high profile case here but I think usually there is no contact between adopted children and their original families. If her birth mother is still alive, she probably thinks about Ana, wondering how her life is. That too, is very tragic.

ger664 · 20-06-2019 1:21am

TCM wrote: »

I'm actually very surprised boy b was found guilty of murder. No forensic evidence against him whatsoever. Also the jury asked if they could consider manslaughter charge. Judge refused.
I foresee boy b appealing.

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^

i was too to be honest....thought he'd be found guilty of perverting the course of justice, but not murder

he'll definitely appeal

He knocked on her door and walked her 3K to the scence of her horrific death. Mage no attempt to stop it and when questioned told lie after lie.

Guilty by association correct charge and correct verdict by a very brave jury

Sleeper12 · 20-06-2019 7:58am

TCM wrote:

I'm actually very surprised boy b was found guilty of murder. No forensic evidence against him whatsoever. Also the jury asked if they could consider manslaughter charge. Judge refused. I foresee boy b appealing.

He played a vital role in it. He called to her house & talked her into meeting boy A. He eventually admitted that he was there while she was being attacked, sexually assaulted. He did not try to stop boy A & didn't run screaming for help.

Four armed robbers hold up a security van. One shoots someone dead. All four will be charged with murder.

At the end of the day the judge heard all of evidence. He will decide on their sentence. He has the option to go light on boy B if he feels it's the right thing to do.

My heart goes out to the three families. What a horrible case

20-06-2019 8:09am

BarryD2 wrote: »

The jury seemed to take quite a while to give their verdict which I thought was puzzling?

It showed how seriously they took the task. They obviously took great care to consider all the evidence before reaching their decision.

fryup · 20-06-2019 11:42am

ger664 wrote: »

He knocked on her door and walked her 3K to the scence of her horrific death. Mage no attempt to stop it and when questioned told lie after lie.

Guilty by association correct charge and correct verdict by a very brave jury

yes i know......but....technically he didn't actually physically kill her....so i'm sure they are grounds for an appeal

maybe some legal eagles out there can clarify this

SozBbz · 20-06-2019 12:32pm

fryup wrote: »

yes i know......but....technically he didn't actually physically kill her....so i'm sure they are grounds for an appeal

maybe some legal eagles out there can clarify this

You don't have to lay a finger on someone to be found guilty of murder. The prosecution persuaded the jury that Boy B knew what was going to happen (or at minimum, that something bad was going to happen to Ana) and he helped Boy A in his endevours.

Its called joint enterprise.

Like if you knowingly are part of a gang going to committ an armed robbery. Person A goes into the bank while Person B sits outside in the getaway car. The plan may not have been to kill anyone, but things go wrong, a struggle ensues and Person A shoots and kills a bank employee.

Both are guilty of murder because;
- they both knew a gun was being used, even if the original plan wasn't specifically to shoot anyone
- when you bring a gun into a robbery, there is always the chance that it may be used

Basically if you involve yourself in a criminal enterprise where someone may get hurt, but it turns out they actually get killed, you're also guilty of murder because its reasonably forseeable that such a situation may escalate.

Now Boy B may try to appeal based on the ability of any 13 year old to make reasonable decisions - who knows if that argument would work.

I think the jury came to the conclusion that at minimum Boy B knew something pretty bad was likely to happen, and lured Ana into Boy A's path regardless.

Infernal Racket · 20-06-2019 2:44pm

SozBbz wrote: »

You don't have to lay a finger on someone to be found guilty of murder. The prosecution persuaded the jury that Boy B knew what was going to happen (or at minimum, that something bad was going to happen to Ana) and he helped Boy A in his endevours.

Its called joint enterprise.

Like if you knowingly are part of a gang going to committ an armed robbery. Person A goes into the bank while Person B sits outside in the getaway car. The plan may not have been to kill anyone, but things go wrong, a struggle ensues and Person A shoots and kills a bank employee.

Both are guilty of murder because;
- they both knew a gun was being used, even if the original plan wasn't specifically to shoot anyone
- when you bring a gun into a robbery, there is always the chance that it may be used

Basically if you involve yourself in a criminal enterprise where someone may get hurt, but it turns out they actually get killed, you're also guilty of murder because its reasonably forseeable that such a situation may escalate.

Now Boy B may try to appeal based on the ability of any 13 year old to make reasonable decisions - who knows if that argument would work.

I think the jury came to the conclusion that at minimum Boy B knew something pretty bad was likely to happen, and lured Ana into Boy A's path regardless.

This is exactly true, guilty by association it's actually called I think. He knew what was going to happen, correct charge of murder. He's just as culpable as the killer

Boy A and Boy B guilty

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