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View Poll Results: Who Will The Dems pick in 2020
Harris 40 10.67%
Bernie 89 23.73%
Clinton 17 4.53%
Brooker 7 1.87%
Biden 120 32.00%
Gillbrand 5 1.33%
Oprah! 21 5.60%
Warren 45 12.00%
Klobuchar 4 1.07%
Michelle Obama 22 5.87%
Cuomo 5 1.33%
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23-07-2018, 15:58   #16
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Like Irish politics, giving the electorate the choice between a rock and another rock isn't going to help anything.

The Democrats should give Sanders a go, but he isn't right wing or corporate enough for them.
Chances are they'll pick someone like Warren. It would be handing it to Trump to pick Clinton again.

Trump is bigly popular with conservatives who simply don't want the democrats in. Trump can and does what he likes as long as he keeps up the rhetoric and vested interests happy.
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23-07-2018, 18:12   #17
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We can totally forget any notion of Hillary Clinton running again, or her daughter, or the likes of Oprah Winfrey or Michelle Obama.

Bernie Sanders will be 79, Joe Biden will be 78 - forget them too.

As someone has said, to say anyone "should have enough to beat Trump" is very presumptuous. Not only do I believe he will be there until 2024, I also believe the Reps will find themselves running with someone similar to him in 2024 - maybe even another Trump!

But back to the point - it'll be Harris - and she'll encounter many of the same misogynistic problems HRC did, and she'll lose. So many Americans don't want a female leader, although they won't admit it and they'll pretend other issues are at play. On the other hand, the democrats will be much more highly motivated to campaign and vote. But she'll still lose.
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23-07-2018, 18:55   #18
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Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden and four younger than Sanders so why are they too old and not Trump who looks in worse physical shape.

As far as race goes it comes down to a handful of states, Trumps not winning somewhere he didn't win in 16 unless a major world event takes place and the Dems aren't winning any of the deep South/great plain states which probably means only Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Florida and Wisconsin are up for grabs
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Booker not Brooker. Personally would vote for Tim Kaine, he should've been a choice.

Another useful poll option is 'someone not already on this list.'
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Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden and four younger than Sanders so why are they too old and not Trump who looks in worse physical shape.
He’s 7 and 8 years younger than them as a first term president. They want someone who’ll serve 8 years!
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He’s 7 and 8 years younger than them as a first term president. They want someone who’ll serve 8 years!
Electorate might just want Trump out so bad come 2020 and Biden would be seen as someone who could steady the ship for four years and then hand it over in 2024.

It's all speculation right now of course.
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Most on that list haven't a hope of winning in 2020.

From the conservative side I'd be wary of only maybe Sanders from that list. But the GOP would decimate him as he's a socialist and the US is "not too fond" shall we say of socialism.

The ridiculous candidates like Oprah, Michelle Obama etc would be a cakewalk for Trump.
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24-07-2018, 11:41   #23
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Until the November midterms, any discussion is the height of premature; I doubt even the Democrats are strategising too heavily at this juncture. Why would they? There are a lot of things in flux - political and legal - and it won't be until the midterms that any sense of the new status quo will present itself. If the Democrats take control of congress, it changes the conversation utterly, as opposed to currently when they're on the backfoot and reactive.

Internally, the increasing number of openly progressive candidates such as the feted Ocasio-Cortez is also a big issue. An issue that might become much larger if said progressives are successful in November. There's a circle to be squared in getting all the party onside when it comes to the Primaries: the Sanders-Clinton battle was ugly enough, another Progressive vs. Establishment battle could kill the 2020 challenge before it even started IMO. I wouldn't say I feel sympathy for the Democrat leadership, as they've dug their own hole by & large, but I don't envy the horsetrading that'll be required either.
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Eric holder (ex attorney general) is also considering a run. He was on colbert recently.
I agree with last poster - no point speculating until after the midterms.
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Internally, the increasing number of openly progressive candidates such as the feted Ocasio-Cortez is also a big issue. An issue that might become much larger if said progressives are successful in November. There's a circle to be squared in getting all the party onside when it comes to the Primaries: the Sanders-Clinton battle was ugly enough, another Progressive vs. Establishment battle could kill the 2020 challenge before it even started IMO. I wouldn't say I feel sympathy for the Democrat leadership, as they've dug their own hole by & large, but I don't envy the horsetrading that'll be required either.
Not to mention that ocasio-cortez is proving to be a bit of a PR disaster at the moment given some of her recent interviews. There are also a number of establishment Democrats encouraging those who loose out to the so called new "progressives" to run anyways.
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Not to mention that ocasio-cortez is proving to be a bit of a PR disaster at the moment given some of her recent interviews. There are also a number of establishment Democrats encouraging those who loose out to the so called new "progressives" to run anyways.
Do you mean the Parody interview that people thought was real ,that was faked by a right wing site (Daily Caller I think) ?
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We have a 11 months to go to reach the point Trump entered the fray for the 2016 election. So that's an indication of when things could be said to become serious in terms of nomination. One year down the line we'll have had midterms; another few thousand man hours of investigation into Russian interference in the last election; another full year of Trump and the reactions he creates.

There are three key differences this time round:
  • Trump will not be underestimated by the Democrats and the campaign team of the eventual nominee
  • There will be a surge of activist engagement way in excess of anything Clinton was able to inspire
  • The tactics employed by Trump will have been studied and well understood

I don't anticipate huge difficulty within the Democratic party uniting around a contender this time round. More than ever before, just winning is what matters. I expect a consensus candidate to emerge relatively early in the primary process ala John Kerry in 2004. I would suggest that it will become clear who that player is around Christmas of next year.
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I think they need to go for some fairly moderate Democrat as opposed to an out and out lefty like sanders or warren. There’s a lot of unknowns at the moment and things currently progressing that could really effect trumps chances. As things stand if the economy holds up he probably has a good chance.
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Do you smell-l-l-l-l-l what's cooking in Hollywood?

It would be a complete outsider - people like Dwayne Johnson, or Tom Hanks. Maybe even a primary challenge from Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The right wing has singled out most of the people on this poll as tangible political threats and have engineered attacks against them - and frankly, in the Trump era, those attacks work to shut down sanity and rationale. Under normal political circumstances I would have voted for a ticket that included Sen. Warren, but her odds are not good owing in large part to how much static the right-wing has made about her being "Pocahontas," accusations which frankly, her rebuttals have been less than concrete against. It's another wave of Birtherism. Even if she did produce a DNA analysis, the right would try to argue the results are bogus as they did with President Obama's birth certificate. Bernie will not (or should not) run again either, I don't think enough voters take him seriously not just for his Democratic-Socialist platform (which will pick up steam in coming years anyway) but because he doesn't strike the average person as a strong leader, he is seen as a cranky old man that is up in his post-retirement years.

While it would make sense for the policy and the stability to elect someone like Michelle Obama I don't fancy her chances either. The US has no interest in dynasties. Al Gore came real close, but his competition was also the son of the then-newest former president, GHWB. I don't think given the choice Americans really want that at all. For that and other aforementioned reasons Clinton, Gore, Biden, and anyone else that was a direct insider of a prior administration need not apply, the "Deep State" conspiracy would ruin their message. That's why I think it is going to be another Washington outsider, to compete with a "Washington outsider."

It would be really hard to accuse The Rock of being a Deep State operative, or to find something wrong with him when Americans from all sides have found reasons to like and follow the man's career, from his fake wrestling "Candy Ass Jabroni," People's Elbow days to his work in films ranging from Disney characters to action movie heroes that just jump out of hospital beds, arm-flex their casts off, and go beat the crap out of bad people. And that's how he got rich, not by making curious real estate deals with Russian oligarchs or working his way through state government and enriching himself dubiously along the way. His work with Disney especially will work for him. The House of Mouse doesn't tolerate anyone who doesn't exude a wholesome image, and I doubt there are any James-Gunn-like tweets hanging out in his closet that are going to torpedo him with static in a campaign. Johnson has already made it clear he's considering a run and it honestly seems like one of the least absurd choices out there. The most anyone could try to attack him for is being an actor, and thus untrustworthy - but given not just the fact that Reagan is a former president, but the fact that Trump is a demonstrably pathological liar himself, I think this would be a really desperate vector to hit him on. I don't know. I'd like to hear what others think, as I can't think what oppo is really going to injure him if he did try to run.

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It would be really hard to accuse The Rock of being a Deep State operative, or to find something wrong with him when Americans from all sides have found reasons to like and follow the man's career, from his fake wrestling "Candy Ass Jabroni," People's Elbow days to his work in films ranging from Disney characters to action movie heroes that just jump out of hospital beds, arm-flex their casts off, and go beat the crap out of bad people. And that's how he got rich, not by making curious real estate deals with Russian oligarchs. His work with Disney especially will work for him. The House of Mouse doesn't tolerate anyone who doesn't exude a wholesome image, and I doubt there are any James-Gunn-like tweets hanging out in his closet that are going to torpedo him with static in a campaign. Johnson has already made it clear he's considering a run and it honestly seems like one of the least absurd choices out there. The most anyone could try to attack him for is being an actor, and thus untrustworthy - but given not just the fact that Reagan is a former president, but the fact that Trump is a demonstrably pathological liar himself, I think this would be a really desperate vector to hit him on. I don't know. I'd like to hear what others think, as I can't think what oppo is really going to injure him if he did try to run.

I like it.

Also would come with the added benefit of him being able to physically eject each and every member of the current administration from the WH.
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