Royal Ascot, Day 1 18/06/2019

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 2:59pm

Lord Glitters won the Queen Anne Stakes in the 4th fastest time of the last 36 runnings.
And they give the ground as good, good to soft in places (round course).

We had the farce of Epsom of good/firm (if you look at the RP results), although on the day I swear they gave it as good, good to firm in places.

No point in going descriptions if they always give them as good.

BorneTobyWilde · 18-06-2019 3:02pm

Well Of Wisdom 16-1
Really like this one to place at least. Had trouble in running last time out, so probably reflected in price, but I think it can go close.

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 3:05pm

Golden Horde 20 at 60s for an interest.
We might learn from the time of the race the real ground conditions.

SonOfGoat · 18-06-2019 3:06pm

Big gamble on Arizona. I've had a heavy lay @ 3.2'ish

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:07pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Lord Glitters won the Queen Anne Stakes in the 4th fastest time of the last 36 runnings.
And they give the ground as good, good to soft in places (round course).

We had the farce of Epsom of good/firm (if you look at the RP results), although on the day I swear they gave it as good, good to firm in places.

No point in going descriptions if they always give them as good.

Queen Anne is run on the straight course. Which they have said is on the quick side of good.

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:08pm

The lads mean business when they come for one late!!

The Mig · 18-06-2019 3:09pm

That was pretty impressive considering he was being scrubbed along after a furlong

longshotvalue · 18-06-2019 3:37pm

Hoping for a Battash show next . Not a bet .

Micko99 · 18-06-2019 3:38pm

Blue point in the 3rd race is nap of the meeting

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:38pm

He seems to have handled the preliminaries quite well anyway.

The Mig · 18-06-2019 3:38pm

Mabs Cross for me

Mgoraf · 18-06-2019 3:43pm

Two years in a row Crowley has had questionable rides in this race

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:44pm

Cracker of a race

The Mig · 18-06-2019 3:45pm

Super race. Loves Ascot does Blue Point!

FatRat · 18-06-2019 3:45pm

Was on Blue Point as mentioned above but after that my only thoughts are what kind of ride that was on Battash? Looked like he was being restrained after a furlong or so??

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 3:45pm

I think Battaash had to use up too much juice to get to the main group.

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:48pm

I was on Battash and i really dont see the problem with the ride.

Was ridden exactly how they said they would ride him. Try to get early cover and let him off after 2/3furlongs.
Not exactly his fault that he followed a horse and everything else tracked over to the other group.

Just one of those things.

RivetingRoger · 18-06-2019 3:49pm

If Ryan Moore did what Crowley just did there would be 3 pages of abuse on here, myself incl!
Disgusting

RivetingRoger · 18-06-2019 3:50pm

Still think Battash the better/quicker horse

Tomw86 · 18-06-2019 3:50pm

I thought it was a poor ride, should have been a lot closer to the winner 2 furlongs out!

He didn't really seem to pick up though and the winner kept on galloping all the way.

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 3:52pm

King Of Comedy for me in the St James's Palace Stakes at 7s.
Phoenix Of Spain is a fine big horse, has the form, but might take time to get going. He appears to have run chiefly on very straight galloping tracks.
I just do not like Too Darn Hot. He might be a 7f horse. If he doesn't win here he will be known as a good 2yo only.
I also have a small antepost bet on Fox Champion at 40s. Worryingly he has made all to win in his last three races.

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 3:55pm

How do people want him to ride the horse? He went off like a scalded cat last year with no cover and was nutted in the last furlong.

This time he tried to get cover and do something different. The horse has been beaten by 1 horse in 2 runnings of the race on a track that definitely doesnt play to his strengths.
The ride was absolutely fine.

Andrew00 · 18-06-2019 4:26pm

Wow didn't see that result coming. O'Brien will clean up this week.

The ground will be rotten for tomorrow

WicklowBrave · 18-06-2019 4:35pm

Really interesting body language between Moore and O’Brien there. You don’t often see that between them, they enjoyed that one.

posturingpat · 18-06-2019 4:35pm

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

How do people want him to ride the horse? He went off like a scalded cat last year with no cover and was nutted in the last furlong.

This time he tried to get cover and do something different. The horse has been beaten by 1 horse in 2 runnings of the race on a track that definitely doesnt play to his strengths.
The ride was absolutely fine.

Agree with all of that. What we forget is he is favourite and therefore should win and its always the jockeys fault if they dont. :rolleyes:

posturingpat · 18-06-2019 4:37pm

WicklowBrave wrote: »

Really interesting body language between Moore and O’Brien there. You don’t often see that between them, they enjoyed that one.

A real case of things working out perfectly. O brien made the call to suplement and then Moore pulls out a masterclass of a ride.

longshotvalue · 18-06-2019 4:41pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Still think Battash the better/quicker horse

Hard to see it. He had been beaten by the same horse over the same trip with 2 completely different rides. He only wins over 4 furlongs against blue point, unfortunately.

Actually they should let him slide , hell with the Epson Dash of any mark..

longshotvalue · 18-06-2019 4:52pm

Hadn't looked at this race enough , but just realised that Time to Study might just dance in here. Rain will help, has course form etc. My own pick is a non runner

Mostly Harmless · 18-06-2019 4:54pm

Thought Snow Falcon would go well

tryfix · 18-06-2019 4:56pm

posturingpat wrote: »

A real case of things working out perfectly. O brien made the call to suplement and then Moore pulls out a masterclass of a ride.

According to O'Brien it was someone called Maria? and the Lads who decided on this plan leaving him a bit bemused.

Also. Ryan's ride was smashing, I often give out loads about him but that was damn good.

Mostly Harmless · 18-06-2019 4:59pm

tryfix wrote: »

According to O'Brien it was someone called Maria? and the Lads who decided on this plan leaving him a bit bemused.

Also. Ryan's ride was smashing, I often give out loads about him but that was damn good.

Maria Niarchos

tryfix · 18-06-2019 5:02pm

aidankkk wrote: »

Hard to see it. He had been beaten by the same horse over the same trip with 2 completely different rides. He only wins over 4 furlongs against blue point, unfortunately.

Actually they should let him slide , hell with the Epson Dash of any mark..

I couldn't understand why all the hype from ITV racing before the race. It was Battaash this and Battaash that with endless shots of him. It's not like he was some unbeaten Champ like Black Caviar. The horse was beaten in 3 out of 5 runs last year, with two 4th place finishes to his year.

posturingpat · 18-06-2019 5:16pm

Cant not back Latrobe at 8/1. Joey proving to be a great target trainer and a for Irish Derby winner surely could be a class apart.

FatRat · 18-06-2019 5:20pm

Surely ground is gone to the softer side? Will be on Adeybb - he has lost me a fair bit since his win last year. Looking to lose more on him now I guess

posturingpat · 18-06-2019 5:22pm

tryfix wrote: »

According to O'Brien it was someone called Maria? and the Lads who decided on this plan leaving him a bit bemused.

Also. Ryan's ride was smashing, I often give out loads about him but that was damn good.

Stroking the ego of the owners daughter i suspect :pac:

Gavin "shels" · 18-06-2019 5:35pm

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Hazapour
Too Darn Hot

My only two bets for the day due to lack of flat knowledge

I'll stick to the Jumps....

posturingpat · 18-06-2019 5:40pm

FatRat wrote: »

Surely ground is gone to the softer side? Will be on Adeybb - he has lost me a fair bit since his win last year. Looking to lose more on him now I guess

Pissed in. Nice 1

tryfix · 18-06-2019 6:48pm

Too Darn What?

Had Gosden anything to say about the performance? Frankie was inclined to think he didn't see out the stiff Ascot Mile but that was probably more to do with his not being good enough over a mile and the new tactics of having him so close to the pace early on. He was fairly lit early on and Frankie had a job restraining him today.

Now that his bubble is burst he could come good in the Autumn if he gets a bit of rest between now and then. Very few 3yo Dubawis make the grade in the Summer races, but they often bounce back in the Autumn.

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 7:17pm

Good job I had to be at the vet at 17:00 to collect the dog.
I could have backed another couple of losers.

The Tetrarch · 18-06-2019 7:21pm

tryfix wrote: »

Too Darn What?

I am always wary of a horse with a catchy name, the public latch on to him.
You could probably get 16/1 on a horse with the same ability named My Brown Skidmark. :rolleyes:
Too Darn Hot looks like a 7f Group 2 would be his level.

mailburner · 18-06-2019 8:49pm

poor run by phoenix cost me a nice bit, too bad to be true surely.

fancied him more than the other two I picked also

PhuckHugh22 · 18-06-2019 10:04pm

PhuckHugh22 wrote: »

Have had fair few bets (for me) today
Queen Anne: Dutched Lord Glitters @20/(1 point) and Romanised @33/1(1 point)
King Stand: Battash @9/4(2 points)
St James Palace: Phoenix of Spain @9/4(4 points)
Wolferton: Willie John @9/1(1 point), very small bets on Zihba @130(.25 points) and Mountain Hunter @150(.25 points) on Betfair.

*Will see if i can turn a profit over the week so will added points beside selections above to give people a rough idea of bet sizing.
There will be each way bets but ones i can get on today nothing really doing on the each way front from me.

Staked: 9.5 points

Pretty dissapointing that I couldn't get one of the 2 short ones in after the start. But happy enough with the winner.

Staked: 9.5
Returned: 21
P/L: +11.5

IAMAMORON · 18-06-2019 11:14pm

Circus maximus was the most annoying thing that has ever happened ever.

The Tetrarch · 19-06-2019 5:33pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Circus maximus was the most annoying thing that has ever happened ever.

I backed him in the Derby.

Royal Ascot, Day 1 18/06/2019

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