Now ye're talking - to a Nurse

hawkelady · 10-02-2019 7:14pm

easygoing1982 wrote: »

hawkelady wrote: »

An elderly patient with demetia can and do abscond !!! Wandering near busy roads wearing just a gown !! Nurse will be held accountable.
So I’ve no idea why your pet hate is directed at this nurse.[/QUOTE

Absconding, where a patient leaves hospital without informing staff, can be a serious challenge for staff, patients and the hospital system. Patients who leave the hospital without physician permission before completing courses of treatment may cause harm to themselves and others (1).Oct 30, 2014

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:15pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Don't bother with this poster imo.

Never has a username been less appropriate.

Do you just ignore people when they don't agree with you. Bless. Poor you.

I'm very easy going. It's just this specific topic that winds me up. Do you honestly believe the health service is all about the nurses. There's plenty of NCHDs and support staff in a hospital thats overworked aswell.

hawkelady · 10-02-2019 7:16pm

Above was taken from the hse website !! A tad more meaningful in this thread as opposed to your link, don’t you think ?

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:18pm

hawkelady wrote: »

easygoing1982 wrote: »

Absconding, where a patient leaves hospital without informing staff, can be a serious challenge for staff, patients and the hospital system. Patients who leave the hospital without physician permission before completing courses of treatment may cause harm to themselves and others (1).Oct 30, 2014

As I stated before a person has every right to leave a hospital unless held under the mental health act.

Twenty Grand · 10-02-2019 7:21pm

easygoing1982 wrote: »

As I stated before a person has every right to leave a hospital unless held under the mental health act.

Nah, some people can be a dangerous to themselves.

Some German hospital have fake bus stops outside. People with mental health problems who wander off sit down and wait for the bus:D

I've heard of some wards that have a "rummage box" by the door. Patients looking to leave stop to find their keys or wallet, then eventually forget they wanted to leave in the first place.

hawkelady · 10-02-2019 7:26pm

easygoing1982 wrote: »

hawkelady wrote: »

As I stated before a person has every right to leave a hospital unless held under the mental health act.

Even someone with demetia? While I’m engaging with you , if someone leaves a hospital without receiving the proper treatment or telling staff their intentions.... they were wasting everyone’s time taking up a bed and shouldn’t have been in there in the first place.

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:33pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Nah, some people can be a dangerous to themselves.

Absolutely. Agree 100% but they need to be assessed by a psychiatrist who then will "section" the patient and arrange for transfer to the relevant psychiatric unit by an approved means of transport. i.e ambulance and guards or a special team called an assist team.

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Some German hospital have fake bus stops outside. People with mental health problems who wander off sit down and wait for the bus:D

I've heard of these and they're badly needed in ireland.

Twenty Grand wrote: »

I've heard of some wards that have a "rummage box" by the door. Patients looking to leave stop to find their keys or wallet, then eventually forget they wanted to leave in the first place.

I've never heard of this practice in an irish hospital

khaldrogo · 10-02-2019 7:35pm

easygoing1982 wrote:

I'm very easy going. It's just this specific topic that winds me up. Do you honestly believe the health service is all about the nurses. There's plenty of NCHDs and support staff in a hospital thats overworked aswell.

The health service is not all about nurses but this thread is!!!

It's up to the NCHDs and support staff to try to improve their lot by striking or working to rule or whatnot. Maybe you could organise something

easygoing1982 wrote:

Do you just ignore people when they don't agree with you. Bless. Poor you.

Where am I ignoring you? You really do just see things the way the suits your rhetoric don't you! Bless. Poor you.

Best if luck with your life.

I'm a Nurse - AMA · 10-02-2019 7:36pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

1. Do you think there would be a strike at all if the matter of pay parity was not one of the aims of the strike?

2. Do you think the nurses would have received better 'press coverage' and more public support if the subject of pay parity was not included?

Finally thank you for answering all these questions, and I wish you well in your future work.

Hi Johnboy1951,

I did indeed miss it sorry. I do think there would still be a strike. I do think the public support is amazing and I don't know how it could be any better and I think certain press coverage will always be negative when anyone is striking. I also do think nurses do deserve pay parity. In the UK they work on bands. Everyone starts off on a particular band which makes things more equal and it should be the same here?

I also wish you the best, sorry again for missing your post and thank you for the questions

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:39pm

hawkelady wrote: »

easygoing1982 wrote: »

Even someone with demetia]

Legally a hospital cannot hold you unless held under the mental health act. A dementia patient will be kept in and followed if need be but LEGALLY a hospital needs to go to the courts and make the patient "a ward of the courts"

While I’m engaging with you , if someone leaves a hospital without receiving the proper treatment or telling staff their intentions.... they were wasting everyone’s time taking up a bed and shouldn’t have been in there in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Possibly the only thing we are going to agree on:)

I'm a Nurse - AMA · 10-02-2019 7:41pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Nah, some people can be a dangerous to themselves.

Some German hospital have fake bus stops outside. People with mental health problems who wander off sit down and wait for the bus:D

I've heard of some wards that have a "rummage box" by the door. Patients looking to leave stop to find their keys or wallet, then eventually forget they wanted to leave in the first place.

Although this is quoted below I just wanted to reply to this comment.

Rummage boxes are a brilliant resource and ARE used in many hospitals and nursing homes. A rummage box is a box filled with things that can distract and allow a person to reminisce. A rummage box can be made for any person with dementia to use or can be personalised with photos and things that are special to that patient.

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:43pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

Where am I ignoring you? You really do just see things the way the suits your rhetoric don't you! Bless. Poor you.

Best if luck with your life.

khaldrogo wrote: »

Don't bother with this poster imo.

No I just see things that are posted in front of me. And the very best of luck to you also

khaldrogo · 10-02-2019 7:50pm

easygoing1982 wrote:

No I just see things that are posted in front of me. And the very best of luck to you also

I was telling another poster not to bother with you.
I was and am engaging with you despite my better judgement. In fact, I think I'm done now. You're aim, I believe, is to derail this thread and I won't be a party to that any longer.

easygoing1982 · 10-02-2019 7:56pm

khaldrogo wrote: »

I was telling another poster not to bother with you.
I was and am engaging with you despite my better judgement. In fact, I think I'm done now. You're aim, I believe, is to derail this thread and I won't be a party to that any longer.

Ok. That's certainly not my aim. In fact I have no aim. This thread is possibly ill timed due to the strikes. If it had of been 4/5 weeks ago it would have had great potential.

I'm a Nurse - AMA · 11-02-2019 7:51am

Good morning to Everyone.

Considering the thread has gone quiet I just wanted to say thank you to everyone again before I log out. Thank you again to Niamh and Mark for facilitating it.

I welcome all the input on here and I appreciate everyone taking the time to ask a question or comment. Thank you to those that have opened my mind a little more also.

As a nurse that always strives to do my best to deliver quality care I am saddened to hear of those that have had poor experiences. After my own poor experiences last year with a loved one I just wanted to say to never ever be afraid to ask questions or to question the care that you or a loved one receive. I can assure you that I am a nurse that is open to discussion of any type with all patients and their families.

I was asked about gifts I receive, what I didn't mention is that I receive drawings and paintings regularly from children. In all the pictures drawn of me I have a smiley face and that proves to me that I am doing something right. No matter how bad my day is, how sad or how tired I am, I always try to remain positive and have a smile on my face.

I am proud to be a nurse. I am proud to work with an amazing team of incredible nurses who go out of their way to ensure that our patients remain happy and well cared for. I am proud to work with an amazing multidisciplinary team who are all also under serious pressure but always do their best too.

Lastly I am thankful for the support and kind words received, not only over the past few weeks but in general.

Thanks again

Johnboy1951 · 11-02-2019 12:41pm

Thanks to the nurse for taking the time and even more importantly for answering our questions truthfully, from the nurse's point of view.

I have to say that I think it was an error to have any pay related reason for the strike.

The obvious problem is a staffing issue, not only the numbers of nurses, but also the support staff which could take some of the burden from the nurses and free them to be more productive.

If this was the only thing to be negotiated, then I think this strike might well have had a much better chance of improving things for the patients.

Part of the solution to the under staffing might well have involved some pay elements.
The fact that under staffing was supposed to be properly dealt with after previous negotiations, and failed, would have had the nurses in a very strong position.

I believe they have weakened the case for staffing level improvements by making this strike in large part about pay rise/restoration.

From a patient perspective I want to see the health service operate efficiently and for the benefit of patients.
That means keeping nurse to patient ratios at about half what they are now.
How that is achieved is a management decision not a decision to be forced on management by a section of the workforce.
They could possibly have negotiated a time line and period progress checks etc. on promised improvements in staff levels if they had approached things differently.

I think an opportunity has been missed by including pay demands in the negotiations.
I am saddened it is so.

There is a lot wrong with the health service and a nurses strike could have been used to force some changes beneficial to the patients (which of course would also benefit nurses by easing work loads and pressure), and also benefited the service generally with a domino effect on efficiency.
I suspect even more staff would have supported such a targeted strike, and there could have been very very little negative reaction or press coverage to such a 'noble' cause for the strike.

Well that is how I have come away from this thread.
Thanks again to the nurse and others who have posted.

Boards.ie: Niamh · 11-02-2019 3:27pm

I'm a Nurse - AMA wrote: »

Good morning to Everyone.

Considering the thread has gone quiet I just wanted to say thank you to everyone again before I log out. Thank you again to Niamh and Mark for facilitating it.

I welcome all the input on here and I appreciate everyone taking the time to ask a question or comment. Thank you to those that have opened my mind a little more also.

As a nurse that always strives to do my best to deliver quality care I am saddened to hear of those that have had poor experiences. After my own poor experiences last year with a loved one I just wanted to say to never ever be afraid to ask questions or to question the care that you or a loved one receive. I can assure you that I am a nurse that is open to discussion of any type with all patients and their families.

I was asked about gifts I receive, what I didn't mention is that I receive drawings and paintings regularly from children. In all the pictures drawn of me I have a smiley face and that proves to me that I am doing something right. No matter how bad my day is, how sad or how tired I am, I always try to remain positive and have a smile on my face.

I am proud to be a nurse. I am proud to work with an amazing team of incredible nurses who go out of their way to ensure that our patients remain happy and well cared for. I am proud to work with an amazing multidisciplinary team who are all also under serious pressure but always do their best too.

Lastly I am thankful for the support and kind words received, not only over the past few weeks but in general.

Thanks again

Thank you so much to our guest for answering so many questions about your nursing career and about your personal working conditions.

If anyone else would like to apply to do an AMA, applications are always open - please PM me, email niamh@boards.ie or fill out this form. Thanks!

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