Green Bay Packers Thread

LMHC · 13-06-2021 9:35pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Sure I did……vague nebulous stuff.

Rodgers is paid to play QB, Gutekunst/Murphy/LeFluer are paid to manage.

When the players want to take over the management role it’s trouble.

In the last 10 years other than the Pats, the Packers have been the most successful and consistent team in the league.

They don’t do that with bad management.

Management can't run plays with out a competent QB. Chiefs mahomes, Bucs TB , Cardinals Kyler , Green Bay Aaron.

Execution comes from the QB he should be appeased.

Brendan Bendar · 13-06-2021 9:48pm

LMHC wrote: »

Management can't run plays with out a competent QB. Chiefs mahomes, Bucs TB , Cardinals Kyler , Green Bay Aaron.

Execution comes from the QB he should be appeased.

Depends how much ‘appeasement’ he wants.

Where have the Chiefs, the Bucs, the Cards been over the past 15 seasons

Nowhere is the answer.

LMHC · 13-06-2021 10:06pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Depends how much ‘appeasement’ he wants.

Where have the Chiefs, the Bucs, the Cards been over the past 15 seasons

Nowhere is the answer.

Do you believe we would be as successful without Aaron.

Blut2 · 13-06-2021 10:57pm

LMHC wrote: »

I agree I was totally on his side but its just dragging on its not good for team or fans nor him. I pray to god he stays Love doesn't do it for me.

How exactly has Love not done it for you in his 0 games to date?

LMHC · 13-06-2021 11:02pm

Blut2 wrote: »

How exactly has Love not done it for you in his 0 games to date?

You think I've not seen Love play, hahah OK listen I'll leave the threads the casual vibes here is a bit much for me.

Jofspring · 13-06-2021 11:11pm

LMHC wrote: »

You think I've not seen Love play, hahah OK listen I'll leave the threads the casual vibes here is a bit much for me.

Very strange answer. Bar college he hasn't played a single game. I suppose you probably hopped on a flight and have been in the trenches watching him work out in Green bay the last two weeks while us meer fools are stuck in Ireland.

Brendan Bendar · 14-06-2021 7:15am

Jofspring wrote: »

Very strange answer. Bar college he hasn't played a single game. I suppose you probably hopped on a flight and have been in the trenches watching him work out in Green bay the last two weeks while us meer fools are stuck in Ireland.

This guy, LM is, in my opinion, is ‘flim-flamming’ and got caught out.

Rodgers is a great QB but is not above the team

The team need Rodgers,but Rodgers also needs the team.

This issue has been festering for too long.

Blut2 · 14-06-2021 11:15am

LMHC wrote: »

You think I've not seen Love play, hahah OK listen I'll leave the threads the casual vibes here is a bit much for me.

If you've somehow seen Love play competitively for the Packers I'd love to know how. If only to get something of whatever it is you're smoking...

Brendan Bendar · 18-06-2021 7:43pm

Packers need to sort this out soon.

Get rid of Rogers, before the poison goes all through the team.

Pull the trigger Murphy.

adrian522 · 18-06-2021 8:54pm

No real urgency on the Packers to do anything really. Anything they get in a trade would only be 2022 draft picks so they may as well wait it out

Either he comes back and plays or he sits out the season, which is pretty unlikely.

Either way his trade value will be just as high next off-season as it is now, possibly higher and more potential trade partners, more teams with cap space etc.

Brendan Bendar · 18-06-2021 10:06pm

adrian522 wrote: »

No real urgency on the Packers to do anything really. Anything they get in a trade would only be 2022 draft picks so they may as well wait it out

Either he comes back and plays or he sits out the season, which is pretty unlikely.

Either way his trade value will be just as high next off-season as it is now, possibly higher and more potential trade partners, more teams with cap space etc.

What I was getting at ADRIAN , was not really Rodgers himself, but the effect this stuff has or may have on the team.
One of the many great strengths the Packers organisation have is they connect with the town, the fans, and the State.

These people won’t like unrest being fomented from within, and certainly won’t like a player who has been with the team for so long being involved.

This stuff is bound to cause unrest and that’s the reason I would be apprehensive.

Realt Dearg Sec · 18-06-2021 10:57pm

The relationship between the team and the players is exactly the same as every other team in the league, a business relationship where decisions are made based on business principles. The Packers aren't special. Unrest among fans doesn't make a lick of difference to the teams success, and nobody on the team gives a **** if the fans are restless. If the team is winning they'll soon settle down, if the team is losing, then the fans will turn on them. So if they cut Rodgers and then lose a lot, the fans certainly won't be praising the team for cutting him and settling the matter. And if they win the fans will forget about rodgers. Whatever the opinion of fans is now is irrelevant and can be ignored, their opinion will be determined for them by results.

adrian522 · 18-06-2021 11:00pm

You've always had your finger on the pulse of packer nation.

AdrianII · 18-06-2021 11:11pm

I seen him on instagram promoting some golf game with Phil mick and Tom brady.

GB really need to sort this out, shafted him last year with the picks and he got to a conf final, really need him back to work with this offense,C could go all the way this year.

Or he doesn't come back and i don't know how low we go.

Brendan Bendar · 19-06-2021 7:10am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

The relationship between the team and the players is exactly the same as every other team in the league, a business relationship where decisions are made based on business principles. The Packers aren't special. Unrest among fans doesn't make a lick of difference to the teams success, and nobody on the team gives a **** if the fans are restless. If the team is winning they'll soon settle down, if the team is losing, then the fans will turn on them. So if they cut Rodgers and then lose a lot, the fans certainly won't be praising the team for cutting him and settling the matter. And if they win the fans will forget about rodgers. Whatever the opinion of fans is now is irrelevant and can be ignored, their opinion will be determined for them by results.

I wouldnt agree with that summing up, but of course you are entitled to your opinion.

To suggest that unrest amongst the fans “doesn’t make a lick of difference”
to the teams success and nobody gives a ****, is difficult to justify.

The Packers have a unique set up in management structure,different to every other team in the league.

They had this before with Favre, and the bitterness is still there to an extent.

I would suggest that a resolution to the issue would be prudent before sides are taken and the team spirit is damaged, maybe not now but further down the line.

21-06-2021 1:40am

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

They had this before with Favre, and the bitterness is still there to an extent.

Think Favre was more popular...and that's gotta sting Rodgers. There were pro Favre protests outside Lambeau.

Favre was more of a wears heart on sleeve type. I think this time around, amongst Packers fans, there is a perception that Rodgers has tried to engineer this, and been a bit too clever by far and arrogant.

Blut2 · 21-06-2021 5:00pm

Most people realised in Favre's last few years he really was just that indecisive about retiring or not. He wasn't playing some subtle mind game, he was just very conflicted about it himself.

Obviously thats still incredibly frustrating for an organization, a fanbase, and a young QB-to-be waiting in the wings. But there was no malice in it. Which is probably why people forgave him quite quickly once he'd actually moved on.

The Rodgers debacle is a lot more complicated, with a lot more political maneuvering on his part. I personally think his reputation will come out of it a lot worse because of that.

Brendan Bendar · 21-06-2021 7:16pm

Blut2 wrote: »

Most people realised in Favre's last few years he really was just that indecisive about retiring or not. He wasn't playing some subtle mind game, he was just very conflicted about it himself.

Obviously thats still incredibly frustrating for an organization, a fanbase, and a young QB-to-be waiting in the wings. But there was no malice in it. Which is probably why people forgave him quite quickly once he'd actually moved on.

The Rodgers debacle is a lot more complicated, with a lot more political maneuvering on his part. I personally think his reputation will come out of it a lot worse because of that.

I agree totally with your observation there.

Personally I feel that Brady’s bought in win for Tampa Bay has influenced a lot of this stuff.

If it can be done for Brady why can’t it be done for me ?

Forget about long term, forget about fan base, forget about tradition, just blow your wad on one big campaign, and prepare to spend years in the wilderness.

Not the Packers way of doing things, and I would fully support their modus operandi.

Hope the ethos of the team always remains in those parameters.

Blut2 · 21-06-2021 11:12pm

Yup, agreed, I'd say thats a big factor.

It'll take an older QB (Rodgers? Wilson?) playing hardball, moving to an all-in team that goes nowhere, and getting a bit screwed to reset the market in that regard I'd say.

Brendan Bendar · 22-06-2021 5:52pm

Blut2 wrote: »

Yup, agreed, I'd say thats a big factor.

It'll take an older QB (Rodgers? Wilson?) playing hardball, moving to an all-in team that goes nowhere, and getting a bit screwed to reset the market in that regard I'd say.

A lot will depend on how Tampa Bay perform next season and following one.

If they do well and contend, I can see aging QBs getting restless and hankering to Jack in their team for a last chance of bought in glory.

Not a good outlook , in my opinion.

Lionbacker · 22-06-2021 6:30pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A lot will depend on how Tampa Bay perform next season and following one.

If they do well and contend, I can see aging QBs getting restless and hankering to Jack in their team for a last chance of bought in glory.

Not a good outlook , in my opinion.

It's already happened in Detroit, with Stafford getting fed up with the Lions inability to build a contending team. He has since mentioned seeing Brady move on and see instant success kinda swayed him to do the same.
Actually don't blame him at all. Would like to see him do well & maybe finally get to the latter stages of the playoffs.

As for the Lions they are starting a rebuild, but very happy with the new regime thus far.

Realt Dearg Sec · 22-06-2021 10:37pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A lot will depend on how Tampa Bay perform next season and following one.

If they do well and contend, I can see aging QBs getting restless and hankering to Jack in their team for a last chance of bought in glory.

Not a good outlook , in my opinion.

I can understand why any guy with only a couple of years of play left in him would want to go somewhere that they are set up to succeed now instead of focusing on a longer term that won't include them. BUT! Will other aging QBs be willing to take smaller paychecks to enable the team to surround them with talent? Seems like a lot of these guys overlook that Brady takes less money than they do when they are envying his success. Can't see Aaron Rodgers accepting Brady's level of pay.

I know Brady is in a nice position financially to do this stuff, but either way, no team could put together a roster like in Tampa that quickly if they had to pay Rodgers' current wages.

Brendan Bendar · 22-06-2021 11:00pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I can understand why any guy with only a couple of years of play left in him would want to go somewhere that they are set up to succeed now instead of focusing on a longer term that won't include them. BUT! Will other aging QBs be willing to take smaller paychecks to enable the team to surround them with talent? Seems like a lot of these guys overlook that Brady takes less money than they do when they are envying his success. Can't see Aaron Rodgers accepting Brady's level of pay.

I know Brady is in a nice position financially to do this stuff, but either way, no team could put together a roster like in Tampa that quickly if they had to pay Rodgers' current wages.

Valid points for sure….

cosatron · 26-07-2021 4:07pm

tomorrow is the first day of training camp, will he show up, i doubt it. but himself and adams tweeted a picture of MJ and Pippen referencing the last dance but it was taken down. so who knows. I think if they come an agreement of 1 more season and go for a superbowl and trade him at the end of the year and i dont think we going to pay adam top wr money as we can't afford it.

Brendan Bendar · 27-07-2021 10:27am

Looks like Rogers is going to be the starting QB for the Packers in 2021.

Reliable sources say will start for the 21/22 season and then “we’ll see’, apparently he will be under contract but the Packers can’t tag him so they can trade him.

What I was always afraid of was that ‘unrest’ would spill over into the rest of the team,and it seems it had with Adams, ZSmith, and even Bakctiari rumbling a bit.

Training camp starts tomorrow Wed. and it would be good to be ‘stabilized’ before the end of tc.

Some talks about Randall Cobb coming back too.

All reportage right now, let’s see how it pans out………😫

sorry training camp starts Tue.

Brendan Bendar · 27-07-2021 5:20pm

Reccomend this pad for Packers fans in the coming season.

Purely based on personal listening

cosatron · 28-07-2021 9:50am

https://twitter.com/DaireCarragher/status/1420126355392450564

Brendan Bendar · 16-08-2021 7:42pm

Ok so the Packers lost against the Texans,but I’m not concerned.

Texans had a lot of starters playing, Packers were working the bottom of the roster.

I’m not panicking.😃

Jofspring · 17-08-2021 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117763667#Comment_117763667

Ya was pretty much a complete 3rd string. Love did well all things considered. Seems to have picked up an injury though and might not be playing this week against the Jets. Would be nice to see him get one game olin pre-season with a strong offensive line and a few first team receivers.

Josh Jackson traded to the Giants for Issac Yiadom. Can't say I know anything about him.

Brendan Bendar · 17-08-2021 9:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117768969#Comment_117768969

Not exactly stellar, it seems but worth a punt.

Injury not bad apparently, got it when stripped of the ball while throwing.

Would like to see him behind a stronger OL and better receivers if only for a couple of series.

Brendan Bendar · 27-08-2021 11:27pm

Devin Funchess released……pity …. was looking forward to his contribution for 2021.

ESB might have dodged a bullet.

Jofspring · 28-08-2021 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117813352#Comment_117813352

Ya such a pity about Funchess. I think himself and Rodgers would have done serious damage and taken a little heat off Davante. Can't really see another top WR in the team at the moment. Could be relying heavily on Tonyan and Cobb now.

Lazard is decent and MVS has looked ok at times but can't be relied on.

Would be great to pick up another WR before the season starts but don't think it will happen.

Jofspring · 31-08-2021 9:48pm

Bakhtiari out for the first 6 weeks. Left on the PUP list. Huge loss for the Packers. Better to have him miss the first six though and hopefully available for a run in from there.

Brendan Bendar · 01-09-2021 5:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117830428#Comment_117830428

Reckon Elgton Jenkins will fill the gap pretty well.

I certainly would trust him.

I’m pretty happy about the 52 they stripped it down to.

Some new faces in there who show promise.

Surprised that Jk was cut but apparently he was paying more attention to his church in Alabama

than preperation for the new season and his NFL career.

There ya go.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 03-09-2021 7:46am

Stupid question, thinking of subbing to nfl gamepass. I know full highlights will be available which will be a great way to watch the Packers games but will some of the live games be blocked?

Jofspring · 03-09-2021 10:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117840517#Comment_117840517

They are supposed to have games on sky sports blacked out but I don't think I have ever seen one blacked out over the last 4 years. Get a cousin in Brazil to sign up for you.

Brendan Bendar · 12-09-2021 11:45pm

Right can of pïss display in Jacksonville.

Jofspring · 13-09-2021 9:38am

It was shocking to watch last night. Absolutely desperate all over the place.

I'm just hoping that's the kick in the arse the team needed because leading up to it and even during the game it seemed like a team waiting for it to just happen for them or that they had the god given right to come away with the win. Lots of talk before the game but nothing backed up.

cosatron · 13-09-2021 11:41am

luckily for us the nfc north went 0-4. I won't pass any judgement on any players or coaches until after the lions game, hopefully it was just a once off sh*tshow.

15-09-2021 7:56am

The funny thing is, Rodgers thought he was very cute and handled everything well, his silence as rumours grew, the selective leaks of his thoughts through friends, his snide contempt for the media, his attempts to win over players like Adams.

And it seems to be backfiring spectacularly. It's as if he forgot his silent tantrum and behind the scenes politicking could damage the team as well. And that, ultimately, matters far more than who said what in a tweet.

Judging by the reaction after the weekend, if that level of performance continues, he could find that any support left disappears very quickly.

Brendan Bendar · 15-09-2021 8:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117893118#Comment_117893118

I'm with you on that .

This team took the field an Sunday as a bunch of individuals, not a team.

Everybody seemed to expect ‘someone else ‘ to do their job.Rogers just sat on the sideline and seemed to give the impression of not caring and little leadership that I saw on the screen

Game to an extent was like the Bucs games, tight man to man coverage and when a GB receiver or runner got the rock he was immediately cut down for small or no gain.

Saints let’s not forget made excellent athletic receptions on numerous occasions, the kind that GB could not make.

SAints also had Kamara at full speed before hitting the Packers tacklers and could get three or four more yards after contact., whereas both Dillon and Jones were barely off their line.

Huge improvement needed for Lions game, particularly in energy attitude and enthusiasm.

Nothing other than a dominating performance will convince me that the Packers will figure in the final playoff picture this season.

MVS hinted that some “other things “ influenced the poor display, but when asked to elaborate declined to do so.

Will the week sort it out………we will have to wait and see.

Blut2 · 15-09-2021 12:20pm

The Saints are a particularly well coached team, with a lot of quality players, who a lot of people were underestimating going to this season. So while that was awful to watch, and the team played terribly, I wouldn't be as pessimistic as some. The Saints absolutely took apart the Bucs last season and beat them 38-3 too, and Bucs still managed to win a Superbowl.

With all the psychodrama with Rodgers and a new defensive coach coming in a bit of rust coming into the first game was to be expected, too.

Though if theres a repeat of last week (or anything close to it) against the Lions we'll be in real, real trouble for the season.

Brendan Bendar · 15-09-2021 2:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117894214#Comment_117894214

You have good points there Mr B

Respected(up to last week) pundits were predicting easy victory for the Packers.

They were discounting the Saints O line yet apart from Zs hit ,Packers D couldn’t really get to JW.

Nothing new there says you!!

Memo to J Barry….. get to the QB because even a mediocre QB can do damage untouched.

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2021 8:50am

After the debacle in Jax, it’s the Lions in Lambeau next.

Many are expecting a win, some an easy win, but I feel this will be a bit of a battle.

Lions have a new set up, lot of x Packers , competent QB in Goff and in my opinion won’t be a pushover.

Home advantage should shade it for the Pack but based on the Jax performance, defeat isn’t out of the equation.

Another lack lustre performance would be worrying.

Fionn1952 · 17-09-2021 12:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117902436#Comment_117902436

While I'm certainly not expecting a walkover victory given the shambolic performance against the Saints, the Lions already had a competent (arguably better) QB in Stafford. Stafford had a bigger arm, was better under pressure, looked a more accurate passer into coverage. I know the Lions are building an O-line that looks like it could be very good, but I don't rate Goff as an improvement over Stafford.

Fully agree about the alarm bells going if it's a comparable performance to last weekend.

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2021 12:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903429#Comment_117903429

Had a look at the Lions Niners game and Lions are competent.

Stafford wanted out …. so good decision to let him go.

A lethargic performance certainly won’t beat the Lions.

one score win for the Packers?

🤩

Blut2 · 17-09-2021 3:45pm

The bookies reckon the Packers by 12pts, so they're fairly confident in Rodgers coming out swinging. I'd agree (optimistically!), I expect a big performance in Lambeau and a comprehensive win.

(but I do agree that [i]if[/i] its a shambles again it really will be very, very worrying and probably indicate the season is lost)

Fionn1952 · 17-09-2021 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117903485#Comment_117903485

I think a proper stomping is needed to get a bit of confidence back in the team; a win in a game that isn't put to bed well before the 4th quarter will inevitably be met with, 'it's only the Lions', no matter how much better Detroit look than in previous years.

No disagreement whatsoever that they were right to let Stafford go, and Goff is hardly a c-rate replacement, I just read your, 'competent QB' phrase as a suggestion that they didn't previously have a competent QB.

All that being said, I'm still only thinking Packers by 4.

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2021 5:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117904923#Comment_117904923

No, sorry if I gave that impression, I always rated Stafford very highly, a very good QB on an average team.

Fionn1952 · 17-09-2021 5:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117905030#Comment_117905030

Nice to be on the same side of a discussion for once, Brendy. Maybe we'd do better together sticking to sports.

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