Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

Minime2.5 · 20-09-2019 3:03pm

circadian wrote: »

Jesus christ this thread.

I don't think it can be explained any more simply than exploiting people sexually for a roof over their heads is not acceptable. In any way.

****ing hell.

It's not explotation in the slightest.

Suttree · 20-09-2019 3:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I read it as if she was leaving anyway, he asked her to come live with him, not stay in that apartment. I didn't see it as exploitation, I saw it as a very clumsy and creepy pick up line.

I may have been wrong, but that is how I saw it.

Then you're choosing to see it inaccurately compared to what was outlined in the article - I won't guess as to your motivation for doing that.

LeVaterIzVet · 20-09-2019 3:07pm

I'm quite shocked to read some of the posts in this thread. It really crystalises the diverging morals and values between older and younger millenials.

We can only draw assumptions from the information we're given, but the tenant seems to be moving out of the landlord's premises due to the cost of rent. The landlord then proposes to give her a reduced rent if she is willing to sell her body. When questioned about whether or not he's serious, he tells her that she already knew that he found her attractive.

In essence, we have a landlord who is in a position of power amidst one of the worst housing crises this country has ever seen. He then tries to takes advantage of his position of power to try and leverage a young woman into selling her body in return for cheaper rent. I would equate this to a stranger in a white van offering a child a lollipop to join him and to 'go for a spin'.

Anyone who doesn't see how disgusting this man's actions are needs to have a long look at themselves in the mirror imo.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 3:14pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read it as if she was leaving anyway, he asked her to come live with him, not stay in that apartment. I didn't see it as exploitation, I saw it as a very clumsy and creepy pick up line.

I may have been wrong, but that is how I saw it.

I think you're being naive. You think he was offering what, exactly? To be her boyfriend and they move in immediately?

Use your loaf.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 3:18pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

I'm quite shocked to read some of the posts in this thread. It really crystalises the diverging morals and values between older and younger millenials.

We can only draw assumptions from the information we're given, but the tenant seems to be moving out of the landlord's premises due to the cost of rent. The landlord then proposes to give her a reduced rent if she is willing to sell her body. When questioned about whether or not he's serious, he tells her that she already knew that he found her attractive.

In essence, we have a landlord who is in a position of power amidst one of the worst housing crises this country has ever seen. He then tries to takes advantage of his position of power to try and leverage a young woman into selling her body in return for cheaper rent. I would equate this to a stranger in a white van offering a child a lollipop to join him and to 'go for a spin'.

Anyone who doesn't see how disgusting this man's actions are needs to have a long look at themselves in the mirror imo.

I agree with the post but I've no idea what this has to do with young people vs old people. think a lot of the people who think it's fine are older than millennials.

strandroad · 20-09-2019 3:19pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

I'm quite shocked to read some of the posts in this thread. It really crystalises the diverging morals and values between older and younger millenials.

Which group do you think is the forgiving "sure it's only free market" one?
There is actually a lot more condemnation for such sex pest landlords on reddit and they are younger there, more likely to be renters themselves. Here's it's more of a middle aged group no?

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't see how disgusting this man's actions are needs to have a long look at themselves in the mirror imo.

I completely agree. And the posters who say they would look the other way if it was their children having to pay with sex :rolleyes: I'm hoping that it's just posturing. "Dear son, enjoy your college, I can't afford your Dublin rent, but I'm hearing you can do well if you're open minded, make your choices, I won't interfere".

LeVaterIzVet · 20-09-2019 3:22pm

strandroad wrote: »

Which group do you think is the forgiving "sure it's only free market" one?
There is actually a lot more condemnation for such sex pest landlords on reddit and they are younger there, more likely to be renters themselves. Here's it's more of a middle aged group no?

I completely agree. And the posters who say they would look the other way if it was their children having to pay with sex :rolleyes: I'm hoping that it's just posturing. "Dear son, enjoy your college, I can't afford your Dublin rent, but I'm hearing you can do well if you're open minded, make your choices, I won't interfere".

I'm saying that it's the older generations who seem to be in favour of landlords being in a position to exploit younger tenants

20-09-2019 3:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think you're being naive. You think he was offering what, exactly? To be her boyfriend and they move in immediately?

Use your loaf.

Perhaps I have been naïve.

Again, I am only commenting on the case put forward in the dail but from that WhatsApp exchange, I saw very little wrong in it.

I stand by my reasoning for allowing people who are above age and consent to choose what they do with their bodies.

But I feel like we/I am talking around in circles and will bow out.

For clarity though, not once was I ever condoning sexual exploitation and was only ever comfortable with an exchange like this were both parties were consenting.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 3:35pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

I'm saying that it's the older generations who seem to be in favour of landlords being in a position to exploit younger tenants

Ah yeah. I thought you suggested it was the other way around. Free market arguments are pretty gross in this context. Imagine the world these people are happy to create for their children and grandchildren.

LeVaterIzVet · 20-09-2019 3:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps I have been naïve.

Again, I am only commenting on the case put forward in the dail but from that WhatsApp exchange, I saw very little wrong in it.

I stand by my reasoning for allowing people who are above age and consent to choose what they do with their bodies.

But I feel like we/I am talking around in circles and will bow out.

For clarity though, not once was I ever condoning sexual exploitation and was only ever comfortable with an exchange like this were both parties were consenting.

Do you not realise that you're blatantly contradicting yourself??

You just said that you don't condone sexual exploitation, but you're comfortable with an 'exchange' that is anything short of rape? (Sex w/o consent)

Just because a young woman consents to selling her body to a creepy predatory landlord, doesn't mean that she wasn't exploited. This is the very definition of exploitation!! Come on ffs

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 3:40pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps I have been naïve.

Again, I am only commenting on the case put forward in the dail but from that WhatsApp exchange, I saw very little wrong in it.

I stand by my reasoning for allowing people who are above age and consent to choose what they do with their bodies.

But I feel like we/I am talking around in circles and will bow out.

For clarity though, not once was I ever condoning sexual exploitation and was only ever comfortable with an exchange like this were both parties were consenting.

Sure you're only condoning 2 consenting adults blah blah. And in a country where wages are stagnant and rent is rising, you'll see lots more people "choosing" these arrangements because they simply can't afford to live in a house otherwise.

I wonder how you'll remember this conversation as this arrangement becomes more prevalent. I wonder if you'll remember being fine with it. TBH, I doubt you will, but Cognitive dissonance c as n take care of that problem for you.

circadian · 20-09-2019 3:45pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

It's not explotation in the slightest.

What number of account are you now then?

Minime2.5 · 20-09-2019 3:50pm

circadian wrote: »

What number of account are you now then?

You tell me . Your stalkering skills would suggest you already know the answer

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 3:53pm

I get the impression that some posters are delighted with this development because it means when they eventually inherit Mammy's house they might actually convince someone to have sex with them.

Minime2.5 · 20-09-2019 4:09pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

I get the impression that some posters are delighted with this development because it means when they eventually inherit Mammy's house they might actually convince someone to have sex with them.

Is that what your dad did ?

circadian · 20-09-2019 4:38pm

Minime2.5 wrote: »

You tell me . Your stalkering skills would suggest you already know the answer

Thanks for confirming the re-reg.

Minime2.5 · 20-09-2019 5:14pm

circadian wrote: »

Thanks for confirming the re-reg.

I didn't confirm anything it could be 10 or it.could be 0.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 7:22pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's not just women. Men also end up in these, blowjobs for rent, situations too. As a heterosexual man, I would have to be in a really really bad situation to start doing blowjobs for money (rent money in this case). But still everyone seems to pretend that only women who actively love to suck some dick, are the ones who say "yes" to these proposals.

It's clear as day that the only people who agree to this is because they're under serious financial pressure. The landlord is hoping to use that pressure as leverage to get the person to have sex with them. Maybe some men and women will give out blowjobs at the drop of a hat, to people they're not attracted to, but the majority would hate it.

You can dress it up any way you like. It's exactly what it looks like.

Maybe the landlord is under serious inability to attract a partner pressure.

Tough sht for him?

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 7:23pm

20Wheel wrote: »

Maybe the landlord is under serious inability to attract a partner pressure.

Tough sht for him?

Yup.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 7:30pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Yup.

and so he adopts this behavior.

B0jangles · 20-09-2019 7:33pm

20Wheel wrote: »

and so he adopts this behavior.

Anyone who thinks a reasonable response to a lack of dates is to blackmail vunerable people into sleeping with them is not a victim, they are a predator.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 7:33pm

20Wheel wrote: »

and so he adopts this behavior.

Only if he's a scumbag. Which is probably why he can't attract a partner in the first place.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 7:41pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Anyone who thinks a reasonable response to a lack of dates is to blackmail vunerable people into sleeping with them is not a victim, they are a predator.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Only if he's a scumbag. Which is probably why he can't attract a partner in the first place.

ok so hes a predator and a scumbag.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 7:48pm

20Wheel wrote: »

ok so hes a predator and a scumbag.

100% accurate.

Junkyard Tom · 20-09-2019 7:58pm

LeVaterIzVet wrote: »

It really crystalises the diverging morals and values between older and younger millenials.

These types of threads attract wannabe edgelords - I wouldn't pay too much heed - these people don't act like this in real life.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 8:01pm

20Wheel wrote: »

Maybe the landlord is under serious inability to attract a partner pressure.

Tough sht for him?

Kinda, yeah. A regulated sex Industry would be one solution. Exploiting vulnerable young men and women on the fly, is not a good solution for anyone - except, in fairness, the landlord.

But if we're talking about someone who can't get the ride except through exploitation, then we're a long way from the idea some posters would pretend is the case. That's where yhe landlord is so charming and handsome and the tenant is delighted to have sex with them so it's win-win.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:02pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

100% accurate.

so what are the people who decide to take up the offer?

Suttree · 20-09-2019 8:03pm

20Wheel wrote: »

ok so hes a predator and a scumbag.

You're catching on.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:06pm

20Wheel wrote: »

so what are the people who decide to take up the offer?

What do you think they are?

Would you have sex with a male landlord in order to prevent yourself from becoming homeless?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:10pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Kinda, yeah. A regulated sex Industry would be one solution. Exploiting vulnerable young men and women on the fly, is not a good solution for anyone - except, in fairness, the landlord.

But if we're talking about someone who can't get the ride except through exploitation, then we're a long way from the idea some posters would pretend is the case. That's where yhe landlord is so charming and handsome and the tenant is delighted to have sex with them so it's win-win.

But if society outlaws prostitution, and stigmatizes the purchase of sex* and says 'tough sht' to the guy who can't satisfy his body's natural responses then what can be expected.

Step into his shoes for one second. Although I doubt a woman could ever fully understand what that must be like.

*for direct payment, rather than the socially acceptable inferred/payment in kind.

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:12pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

What do you think they are?

Would you have sex with a male landlord in order to prevent yourself from becoming homeless?

ill answer if you will.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:13pm

20Wheel wrote: »

But if society outlaws prostitution, and stigmatizes the purchase of sex* and says 'tough sht' to the guy who can't satisfy his body's natural responses then what can be expected.

Step into his shoes for one second. Although I doubt a woman could ever fully understand what that must be like.

*for direct payment, rather than the socially acceptable inferred/payment in kind.

Cop on

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 8:13pm

20Wheel wrote: »

so what are the people who decide to take up the offer?

Desperate, vulnerable, ripe for exploitation. Take tour pick.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:14pm

20Wheel wrote: »

ill answer if you will.

Desperate to not be made homeless

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:17pm

Sardonicat wrote: »

Desperate to not be made homeless

So that makes for two desperate people.

(And the standard of 'tough sht').

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 8:19pm

20Wheel wrote: »

But if society outlaws prostitution, and stigmatizes the purchase of sex* and says 'tough sht' to the guy who can't satisfy his body's natural responses then what can be expected.

Step into his shoes for one second. Although I doubt a woman could ever fully understand what that must be like.

*for direct payment, rather than the socially acceptable inferred/payment in kind.

I would prefer a regulated sex industry. No problem with that.

I doubt a woman could understand what that's like for a bloke. But I can imagine. If you're suggesting that it's only fair that men who can't get the ride start exploiting young men and women, then I think you'll need to explain that position.

mvl · 20-09-2019 8:22pm

this reminded me how couple of years ago there were media stories about 10000 Irish sugar babies - cash strapped students from UCD, TCD, DIT and more enrolling on some dating site to find "means" to get through college.

was that discussed in the Dail also ? sounds more serious than this ...

paleoperson · 20-09-2019 8:26pm

A YOUNG WOMAN living in Rathmines was propositioned by her landlord who told her she could stay rent-free “if we agree something”, the Dáil has heard.

Shocked and horrified! I am absolutely outraged! Never in the history of the Irish state has this sort of carry on ever occurred before.

It's like how there was a man arrested for prostitution a few months past - what is this country coming to?!

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:27pm

20Wheel wrote: »

So that makes for two desperate people.

(And the standard of 'tough sht').

You are seriously equating not having a roof over your head with not being able to get laid?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:28pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I would prefer a regulated sex industry. No problem with that.

I doubt a woman could understand what that's like for a bloke. But I can imagine. If you're suggesting that it's only fair that men who can't get the ride start exploiting young men and women, then I think you'll need to explain that position.

No, I dont need to do anything.

But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

could it be somewhere deep in our psychology we want him weeded out of the species?

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:31pm

20Wheel wrote: »

No, I dont need to do anything.

But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

could it be somewhere deep in our psychology we want him weeded out of the species?

You are equating not having a home with not having a sexual partner. There's hardly a double standard.

strandroad · 20-09-2019 8:31pm

20Wheel wrote: »

No, I dont need to do anything.

But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

He can have a ****. She (or he, it's not like lads are immune from such carry on) cannot resolve a housing situation so easily.

jimmycrackcorm · 20-09-2019 8:32pm

Coppinger is upset because no guy is every going to make her that offer

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:38pm

strandroad wrote: »

He can have a ****. She (or he, it's not like lads are immune from such carry on) cannot resolve a housing situation so easily.

She (or he) can live in a tent.

El_Duderino 09 · 20-09-2019 8:40pm

20Wheel wrote: »

No, I dont need to do anything.

But I will point out the double standard of 'm'eh fck him' when it comes to the imaginary loveless landlord, and the 'omg poor young thing' standard for the young woman.

could it be somewhere deep in our psychology we want him weeded out of the species?

Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:44pm

20Wheel wrote: »

ill answer if you will.

Still waiting. ...

paleoperson · 20-09-2019 8:49pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.

Here's a tip: try phrasing your question in a way that doesn't assume that your position is correct to begin with. Then maybe he will find it worthwhile to answer you.

As it is your question is inherently dishonest and made in bad faith.

Suttree · 20-09-2019 8:51pm

The absolute bang of incel off this thread at the moment is horrendous.

Sardonicat · 20-09-2019 8:52pm

Bondetf wrote: »

Should restaurant owners be allowed exploit poor young men and women by making them work in jobs they don't want to so they won't be homeless.

If you ask me these sublimely restaurant owners are blackmailing predators.

I must say, you have a really bizarre view of sex.
Perhaps, instead of aid, we should just send people who can't find a sex partner to disaster struck areas. Give the victims the chance to earn themselves out of a crisis situation?

20Wheel · 20-09-2019 8:58pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah now, you're gone off on a tangent.

I'll state it as a question if that makes it easier. Do you think it's only fair that a man who can't get the ride can exploit young men or women? If you can't make an argument, that's fine. Just say so.

Also I've been pretty careful not to focus only on women. Men also end up in these arrangement.

that tangent is what im curious about and why im here.

but anyway, in response to the question, i don't think its something which you can make a blanket judgement on since the contexts will differ a lot in any number of imaginary scenarios.

for example; high society party girl (or boy) is so sick of daddy not giving her money for a penthouse and she blew this years inheritance on coke and vacations, now her only option is to blow one of her dads friends for a beach house etc etc. (yes i know, its very porno)

vs some poverty scenario. addict in winter.

so theres a moral range/spectrum here.

and we can turn that question back to you. if you can't answer it just say so.

man (or woman) hasn't been laid in a millennium, cry-**** himself to sleep. has a spare room, or some other means of exchange, and stumbles upon some girl who may possibly be interested in a mutual agreement.

is he a scumbag?

Sex for Rent - Raised in the Dail as issue of major concern

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