Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

68 lost souls · 28-08-2019 4:26pm

Chris871 wrote: »

Theyre working on the app if you go onto the tracker. Not ideal but better than nothing.

My guess is they are trying to sort out the mess with two sets of results. The app doesnt take this into account and doesnt reflect the bunch that did the full swim vs those that did the shortened swim.

Chris871 · 28-08-2019 5:16pm

68 lost souls wrote: »

My guess is they are trying to sort out the mess with two sets of results. The app doesnt take this into account and doesnt reflect the bunch that did the full swim vs those that did the shortened swim.

Hadn't thought of that. What impact does the two results have on AG slots?

68 lost souls · 28-08-2019 5:17pm

At the awards apparently people were told to submit an expression of interest in a slot and they would be taken to Globocorp I mean Ironman HQ for a decision

Marty Bird · 28-08-2019 7:05pm

If they did consider a full IM branded race in Dublin I’d love to see the DL course used. 2 loops of that bike course would be epic keep the same swim and run route.

PWEI · 28-08-2019 8:32pm

Marty Bird wrote: »

If they did consider a full IM branded race in Dublin I’d love to see the DL course used. 2 loops of that bike course would be epic keep the same swim and run route.

It would be epic alright but they'd never get permission to close those roads for that length of time.

rodneyr1981 · 28-08-2019 8:32pm

PWEI wrote: »

I wasn't criticizing the sea swim in Dun Laoghaire or any sea swims in Dublin or any where else for that matter.
As I said in an earlier post, I think Dun Laoghaire is a fantastic event and I wouldn't change a thing about it.
And I agree, I think the way the dealt with the fog was brilliant and I for one was happy to get a swim in even if it was a shortened one.

I was merely pointing out that they could find a lake or river if they had wanted to for the full Ironman but they didn't.

I have no issue with a sea swim in Cobh either, however I do think they were short-sighted in having the full in June considering the average water temperature is 14c, increasing the chances of a shortened swim.
They would have been much better off having it later in August when the average water temperature is 16c.

Was Lough cutra swim for the middle distance race not cancelled due to fog 2 years ago. It's fog and **** happens. It's an outdoor sport. They dealth with it well given the situation.

I was one of the few who did the full swim and sighting was difficult. For the water safety personnel it was the right call. Could you imagine if a swimmer got into difficulity and they couldnt be seen.

Over all what a brilliant race. Of all the races I've done this one was right up there. Swim was perfect swim conditions (Obviously sighting a challenge). Bike was a proper bike course. Tough but what a course. Run was perfect for spectators.

Regarding results they made call to split results into 2 separate races. Podiums were given for both long swim and short swim athletes. Good call imo.

Diego Murphy · 03-09-2019 6:08pm

Just speculation from my end, but I just got the email about the Tour Series medal from Ironman. This is given to you if you complete an ironman and 70.3 in the one year in one country.

I notice Ireland isn't on the list for 2020. It was in last year's email. Does that put a question mark over Dun Laoghaire?

EDit · 03-09-2019 9:24pm

I noticed the omission of Ireland in that email as well...had the same thoughts about DL

Diego Murphy · 03-09-2019 9:47pm

EDit wrote: »

I noticed the omission of Ireland in that email as well...had the same thoughts about DL

If the events were swapped, DL would have a much bigger take up. No way was I going to do DL after Cork but if it was on before Cork, I'd definitely have used it as a training race.

EDit · 04-09-2019 10:47am

Diego Murphy wrote: »

If the events were swapped, DL would have a much bigger take up. No way was I going to do DL after Cork but if it was on before Cork, I'd definitely have used it as a training race.

Agreed, the other way around would be perfect

TriNRun · 07-09-2019 2:25pm

efwren wrote: »

My first 70.3 having only done my first Olympic in June. The bike course terrifies me. Well I know I will get through it but I am not a fast or powerful cyclist so it's the cut offs that terrify me.

Have done the loop part of the route from kilternan back to Kilternan 3 or 4 times and found it a tough slog . As mentioned here it's not the 2 or 3 steep ramps that get you it's the long gradual pulls that go on and on. Done most of my weekend long spins since March in the Wicklow hills so have quite a bit of climbing done. Currently on a 2 week family holiday so spins are a bit flatter at the moment but hoping I have enough climbing in the legs.

No specific time goal except to finish inside the cut off time

Both looking forward to the event and kind of terrified at the same time !

next year under threat it seems

PWEI · 20-09-2019 12:19pm

Any news on next year?

RacoonQueen · 22-09-2019 10:17am

PWEI wrote: »

Any news on next year?

Usually takes a month or so for them to announce the date for the following year. Nothing was announced about this year until the end of September last year. Ironman usually do 3 year contracts so would be very surprising if it wasn't on.

EDit · 08-10-2019 4:50pm

Noteworthy that this time last year, the status for the 2019 event was at least “opening soon” and it may even have been open (Although I registered at end of Oct, looking back at emails, it seems I booked my hotel for this years race on Oct 2, 2018, and I assume I did that due to there being a defined race date). At the moment, the status for the event is still “closed”

S_D · 09-10-2019 7:55pm

Its not happening next year. Contract or not, its not going ahead. And that's 100%

fondriest · 10-10-2019 8:59am

S_D wrote: »

Its not happening next year. Contract or not, its not going ahead. And that's 100%

Do you mind me asking how you know that ? Was hoping to do it next year and will make other plans if it’s not going ahead .

Ribs1234 · 10-10-2019 11:13am

New 70.3 in Germany just announced on the same weekend

TriFirst · 10-10-2019 11:30am

If Ironman have pulled out of Dun Laoghaire I think several Tri Clubs in the Leinster area should get together and put one on in its place in Dun laoghaire. Dublin is big enough to have two triathlons in a season. It seems ludicrous that such a huge population isnt served by second race per year at least, that could take place on their doorstep. The local authorities would jump at the chance to have something to fill the void left by Ironman. It would bring people and money to the area, albeit a lesser draw than the Ironman brand but purely from a triathlon standpoint we need more races near Dublin.

EDit · 10-10-2019 11:53am

TriFirst wrote: »

If Ironman have pulled out of Dun Laoghaire I think several Tri Clubs in the Leinster area should get together and put one on in its place in Dun laoghaire. Dublin is big enough to have two triathlons in a season. It seems ludicrous that such a huge population isnt served by second race per year at least, that could take place on their doorstep. The local authorities would jump at the chance to have something to fill the void left by Ironman. It would bring people and money to the area, albeit a lesser draw than the Ironman brand but purely from a triathlon standpoint we need more races near Dublin.

I get what you are saying, but wouldn’t the costs of getting roads closed for the time necessary for a middle distance race in/around Dublin be prohibitive for most Tri Clubs?

TBH, after experiencing the unpleasant mix of bikes and cars during this years Wicklow 100, I don’t think I’d have any enthusiasm to do a middle distance race in Dublin without closed roads.

TriFirst · 10-10-2019 2:21pm

EDit wrote: »

I get what you are saying, but wouldn’t the costs of getting roads closed for the time necessary for a middle distance race in/around Dublin be prohibitive for most Tri Clubs?

TBH, after experiencing the unpleasant mix of bikes and cars during this years Wicklow 100, I don’t think I’d have any enthusiasm to do a middle distance race in Dublin without closed roads.

This is why I am suggesting multiple tri clubs collaborate to help make it happen plus if a sponsor could be tied in to carry the financial burden that would certainly help raise the profile. I would also look at having sprint and or Olympic distance at most to facilitate such road closures. A bike loop of 20km would be alot easier to accommodate than a 90km route. Im just throwing out suggestions. Ultimately its about a city with a population of 1.5 to 2 million people having more than one triathlon per year. Ironman picked Dun laoghaire because of access to sea, a flat run course and bike route away from the city centre. We should be utilising this natural amenity to facilitate another race in Ironman's absence.

68 lost souls · 10-10-2019 4:27pm

TriFirst wrote: »

This is why I am suggesting multiple tri clubs collaborate to help make it happen plus if a sponsor could be tied in to carry the financial burden that would certainly help raise the profile. I would also look at having sprint and or Olympic distance at most to facilitate such road closures. A bike loop of 20km would be alot easier to accommodate than a 90km route. Im just throwing out suggestions. Ultimately its about a city with a population of 1.5 to 2 million people having more than one triathlon per year. Ironman picked Dun laoghaire because of access to sea, a flat run course and bike route away from the city centre. We should be utilising this natural amenity to facilitate another race in Ironman's absence.

Are you saying in county Dublin the Dun Laoighre 70.3 race andPirahna DCT are the only events? If you are you are wrong....

Skerries is Dublin and organised by Fingal tri club, Pulse Port Beach is organised by a Dublin Club (Pulse), King of Greystones is practically Dublin, Wicklow harbour is a short jaunt, Blessington Triathlon organised by Belpark a Dublin club and a race thats practiaclly in Dublin its so close...

Theres also a reason that all of these clubs cross the border to Wicklow, Louth etc to run events, the councils and Guards account for a lot of the reasons as well as getting road closures in Dublin being very difficult/expensive

EDIT: Don't frogoet Duathlons and Aquathlons, Phoenix park duathlons, bull wall aquathons all in Dublin, Bray consider themselves Dublin half the time and there are aquathons there. Howth challange aquathon....

There was a triathlon organised at the NAC which was stopped partly due to not getting road closures amongst other reasons

EC1000 · 10-10-2019 9:39pm

TriFirst wrote: »

Ultimately its about a city with a population of 1.5 to 2 million people having more than one triathlon per year.

The east coast is well served with multiple tri events so I think you are misguided in thinking there is only one triathlon in Dublin per year?

The issues with event organisation have been done to death on this forum over the years and there are multiple reasons why people, myself included, are browned off with it. People's expectations of what can be delivered at particular price points is part of the problem.

Running a triathlon in a major urban centre is extremely difficult and costly. Ironman charge the big bucks and provide a premium race experience as a result, complete with closed roads, etc. In my experience, road closures cannot be achieved in a low cost race without compromising in other areas.

Pardon my cynicism but I don't see multiple tri clubs coming together to organise anything... what would be in it for the clubs?

There are lots of commercial races in Ireland that provide events and each have their own issues. Imagine trying to handle all of those issues whilst working with one of the local authorities in Dublin? Even Ironman, at their price point, don't seem to be able to turn a profit in Dublin (presume this is why it may be cancelled), so how would anyone else?

TriFirst · 11-10-2019 8:35am

68 lost souls wrote: »

Are you saying in county Dublin the Dun Laoighre 70.3 race andPirahna DCT are the only events? If you are you are wrong....

Skerries is Dublin and organised by Fingal tri club, Pulse Port Beach is organised by a Dublin Club (Pulse), King of Greystones is practically Dublin, Wicklow harbour is a short jaunt, Blessington Triathlon organised by Belpark a Dublin club and a race thats practiaclly in Dublin its so close...

Theres also a reason that all of these clubs cross the border to Wicklow, Louth etc to run events, the councils and Guards account for a lot of the reasons as well as getting road closures in Dublin being very difficult/expensive

EDIT: Don't frogoet Duathlons and Aquathlons, Phoenix park duathlons, bull wall aquathons all in Dublin, Bray consider themselves Dublin half the time and there are aquathons there. Howth challange aquathon....

There was a triathlon organised at the NAC which was stopped partly due to not getting road closures amongst other reasons

I am familiar with all of the triathlons you reference because i have competed in all of them except Skerries. I have also competed in the duathlons and aquathlons mentioned. My point is specifically related to triathlon in Dublin , not 'practically' in Dublin. Ironman saw fit to use Dun laoghaire for several years because they saw the potential of Dun laoghaire and Dublin. They have chosen to depart so all Im saying is theres now an opportunity to replace an Ironman triathlon with another, albeit a shorter distance. Greater Dublin has a population of approaching 2 million people and would have a lot of triathletes. I do not believe the capital is served sufficiently when it comes to triathlons. If there is enough of a will to hold a triathlon in place of Ironman Dun laoghaire then it will happen as will whatever road closures are necessary. I would suggest a sprint distance triathlon or an olympic distance on a 20km loop around dun laoghaire to minimise the roads affected. Its absolutely doable.

TriFirst · 11-10-2019 8:43am

EC1000 wrote: »

The east coast is well served with multiple tri events so I think you are misguided in thinking there is only one triathlon in Dublin per year?

The issues with event organisation have been done to death on this forum over the years and there are multiple reasons why people, myself included, are browned off with it. People's expectations of what can be delivered at particular price points is part of the problem.

Running a triathlon in a major urban centre is extremely difficult and costly. Ironman charge the big bucks and provide a premium race experience as a result, complete with closed roads, etc. In my experience, road closures cannot be achieved in a low cost race without compromising in other areas.

Pardon my cynicism but I don't see multiple tri clubs coming together to organise anything... what would be in it for the clubs?

There are lots of commercial races in Ireland that provide events and each have their own issues. Imagine trying to handle all of those issues whilst working with one of the local authorities in Dublin? Even Ironman, at their price point, don't seem to be able to turn a profit in Dublin (presume this is why it may be cancelled), so how would anyone else?

Its a sad state of affairs if several triathlon clubs cant put their heads together and court a sponsor to help them put on a triathlon in the capital city. Whats in it for the clubs ? The love of the sport. isnt that why we do what we do? Isnt that why we train in all weathers getting up at stupid oclock and sacrificing a social life at times? Ironman are a brand, a commercial enterprise looking to turn a profit. Im not suggesting that this should be a profit making exercise, simply an opportunity to race. Certainly swimming in Dunlaoghaire is far more appealing to me than the Liffey, plus the benefit to having a race away from the city centre would mean less disruption in the heart of the city. Now personally I would love to race through the streets of the city centre but that seems like a step too far which is why I think Dun laoghaire is the next best thing. All im hearing here is negatives based on the status quo, if we let the status quo dictate the limits of our abilities we would never see any change.

joey100 · 11-10-2019 9:16am

Without trying to sound like an a##hole, but you seem to reckon it's easily do-able, that it should be done, that the demand is there and that it should be done for the love of the sport rather than any profit -- have you looked into organising it with your club or local club? It's all grand saying someone should organise one, but have you put yourself forward and looked into it or began the process?

EC1000 · 11-10-2019 10:56am

TriFirst wrote: »

Whats in it for the clubs ? The love of the sport. isnt that why we do what we do?

.........Im not suggesting that this should be a profit making exercise, simply an opportunity to race......

We are very much going over old ground here but I'll take the bait.....

Any race, whether a club race or a commercial race, MUST turn a profit, EVERY year. If any of the numerous parties involved don't get paid (e.g. Gardai, traffic management, timing co, food suppliers, skip hire, toilet hire, order of Malta, etc. etc. etc.) then there is no year 2. Whatever about a multinational company that has other revenue streams to fill the gap, a small club or group of clubs have no option of carrying losses so therefore must turn a profit each year.

tunney · 11-10-2019 5:49pm

TriFirst wrote: »

Its a sad state of affairs if several triathlon clubs cant put their heads together and court a sponsor to help them put on a triathlon in the capital city. Whats in it for the clubs ? The love of the sport. isnt that why we do what we do? Isnt that why we train in all weathers getting up at stupid oclock and sacrificing a social life at times? Ironman are a brand, a commercial enterprise looking to turn a profit. Im not suggesting that this should be a profit making exercise, simply an opportunity to race. Certainly swimming in Dunlaoghaire is far more appealing to me than the Liffey, plus the benefit to having a race away from the city centre would mean less disruption in the heart of the city. Now personally I would love to race through the streets of the city centre but that seems like a step too far which is why I think Dun laoghaire is the next best thing. All im hearing here is negatives based on the status quo, if we let the status quo dictate the limits of our abilities we would never see any change.

The love of the sport? Do you know the effort and time that goes into running any race? Never mind a mass participation middle distance race in an urban area?

You are rather new to the sport aren't you? And perhaps adulthood?

elnino23 · 24-10-2019 7:31pm

Any new info if this will happen in 2020?

efwren · 24-10-2019 8:54pm

elnino23 wrote: »

Any new info if this will happen in 2020?

Been following the IronMan Ireland facebook page and while there has been no announcement or anything official, I get would be suprised if it goes ahead. Somebody mentioned rumours of a 70.3 event being held elsewhere.

I am guessing the cost of road cosures in DLR combined with the low turnout makes it not viable.

The survey they sent out after the event this year was quite detailed in trying to asses the benefit to the local economy..e.g. did you spend on local accomadation etc..

If it doesnt go ahead its a real shame I thought Dun Laoghaire was an amazing venue. I had a few people come watch me on the run and they hadn't been to Dun Laoghaire in years and they were very impressed.

5CHULZY · 24-10-2019 10:54pm

I sent an email last week asking if there was any update on a date as this will be my first ironman hopefully. I got this reply

Hi Oliver,

Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately none of the details for 2020 have been finalised yet! Once they have they will be announced on the website and social media pages, so I would advise that you keep an eye on these.

I hope this helps, if you have any further questions just let me know.

So not getting my Hope's up and thinking of doing the Weymouth 70.3 instead

5CHULZY · 24-10-2019 10:54pm

I sent an email last week asking if there was any update on a date as this will be my first ironman hopefully. I got this reply

Hi Oliver,

Thanks for getting in touch. Unfortunately none of the details for 2020 have been finalised yet! Once they have they will be announced on the website and social media pages, so I would advise that you keep an eye on these.

I hope this helps, if you have any further questions just let me know.

So not getting my Hope's up and thinking of doing the Weymouth 70.3 instead

S_D · 30-10-2019 11:18am

S_D wrote: »

Its not happening next year. Contract or not, its not going ahead. And that's 100%

Just confirmed officially it will not be going ahead.

edit_me · 30-10-2019 11:34am

No more IM DL70.3, DCM moving to lottery system - my 2020 racing calendar doesn't look very optimistic.....

S_D · 30-10-2019 11:36am

and brexit around the corner...were fu*ked haha

Marty Bird · 30-10-2019 11:51am

Ah that's such a shame I knew it was under threat it was a great course and event.

seant5215 · 30-10-2019 4:04pm

It was probably not commercially viable from a Wanda perspective.
As Tri247 states: the trend of entry numbers has been significantly downward for Ireland’s 70.3 event, those five races (data from the officials results lists), showing athlete numbers as 2437, 1908, 1537, 1663, 1282.

elnino23 · 31-10-2019 12:25pm

Will they do a 70.3 in another Irish location? I also notice Youghal didn't sell out yet is that struggling for numbers? possibly because no one can get accommodation?

tunney · 31-10-2019 12:28pm

elnino23 wrote: »

Will they do a 70.3 in another Irish location? I also notice Youghal didn't sell out yet is that struggling for numbers? possibly because no one can get accommodation?

Youghal wasn't a great course, particularly the bike. And while fantastically supported the weather and photos would have hurt it

S_D · 31-10-2019 12:32pm

elnino23 wrote: »

Will they do a 70.3 in another Irish location? I also notice Youghal didn't sell out yet is that struggling for numbers? possibly because no one can get accommodation?

Well more so because the chances of a swim are slim to none so I cant imagine that being an attraction.

rodneyr1981 · 31-10-2019 3:38pm

S_D wrote: »

Well more so because the chances of a swim are slim to none so I cant imagine that being an attraction.

Out of interest why is this the case? Don't know the area so a serious question.
Open bay etc?

Marty Bird · 31-10-2019 4:12pm

tunney wrote: »

Youghal wasn't a great course, particularly the bike. And while fantastically supported the weather and photos would have hurt it

I'd agree regarding the weather and the cancelled swim may hurt the event. I found the bike course was good and fast only a small section had poor road surface but overall it was your typical Irish road surface throughout out it.

StaggerLee · 31-10-2019 10:56pm

rodneyr1981 wrote: »

Out of interest why is this the case? Don't know the area so a serious question.
Open bay etc?

I think conditions have to be perfect (warm weather and calm) in order to get a full swim in, having people in a choppy cold sea for 90+ mins not a good idea. I reckon chances of getting full distance swim are 50/50

Dun Laoghaire Ironman 70.3 2019

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