2020 All Ireland Senior Football Championship MOD NOTE POST #1

DDC1990 wrote: »

Peter Canavan with some awful analysis of Dublin's forwards workrate.

Picked 3 clips of blatant fouls from Dublin forwards that went unpunished.

Peter Crowley shouldered in the chest in 2016
Brian O'Beaglaoich hauled down by the neck and held to ground in 2016
And the Dublin team systematically pulling Mayo to ground in the 2017 final.

I wouldn't mind but there is mountains of footage of great tackling and workrate from Mannion, Kilkenny, Scully and Howard.

Those clips boiled my blood.

Canavan never recovered from 1995 and carries his bitterness to this very day.

Was never expecting them to win but had hoped Westmeath might try and play a bit. Getting hammered while just staying in your own half is a pure embarrassment for a county team. Dublin showing them up as expected and its fully deserved for Westmeath. Very impressive side to watch them dissect a team with 15 in their own half.

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Don't know who or where BBC commentator is from but he is so biased to Antrim!
As I type that's an unbelievable point from Paddy Cunningham.

BBC are always biased towards counties from NI. Niblock today was even calling Antrim “we” at times.

C__MC wrote: »

League standings is irrelevant when playing Dublin and that goes for most division 1 teams
The only team capable of giving Dublin a game is kerry

I'd love to just fast forward things and get it over with. A terrible championship in terms of the time of year and obvious circumstances.

Boom__Boom wrote: »

That was basically my point.
The fact that Dublin are dismantling a team who are that high in the standings says a world about the overall competitiveness of the championship.

The Limerick game was great fun today and i would much prefer if it was the semi of a tournament we might win and not just a hiding to nothing in a few weeks.
The league is way more fun than the championship for about 70% of the teams

dobman88 wrote: »

Would make you wonder why so many players and managers from the so called 'weaker counties' are opposed to a tiered championship.

I dont know but as a fan Im all for it

breezy1985 wrote: »

The Limerick game was great fun today and i would much prefer if it was the semi of a tournament we might win and not just a hiding to nothing in a few weeks.
The league is way more fun than the championship for about 70% of the teams

Really think there should be a 3 tier football championship.

Players and spectators want competitive games not turkey shoots.

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Mayo celebrate ur president victory today , for tomorrow you dine in hell. Roscommon 2:14 Mayo 2:12.

No way Mayo get knocked out before they have a chance to get their hopes up.

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Lights.

Worth remembering that Westmeath finished 4th in Division 2 (and weren't that far off promotion - they drew with Armagh who got promoted)

Could they not play it during the day?

dobman88 wrote: »

They're the kind of antics that win you championships and I have no complaints with them doing that. You do what you have to do to win. I dare say if Kerry had a bit more about them, they could have won the first game last year with similar antics but they were a bit naive and backed off.

Canavan made the point that it was game management from the Dubs against Mayo and it was. Dont let them out, create a ruckus, wind down the clock. Job done.

I agree with all of that. I just think that Canavan shouldnt try and frame it as Dublin workrate. Call it Dublin cynicism or whatever.

Dublin forwards workrate is phenomenal. Far better ways to illustrate that IMO.

Mannion is probably the hardest working corner forward in the country. He has made several notable blocks in big games in the last few years.

I just think it was poor analysis.

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I think it's one of the things that Dublin are just phenomenally good at - their shot selection. Being patient enough to work the ball to a player in a good shooting position. It's not even a case of not taking on hail mary shots from bad positions that you see players on a whole lot of other taking, it's that the default standard shot is taken on from a good/very good shooting position/situation.

Also related to this - Westmeath have kicked a number of "great" scores in this game but in a way I'd say Dublin would be somewhat pleased that so many of the scores they conceded were "great scores" of this nature I.e. from distance/poor angles/under pressure/off-balance. Dublin's defence have done very well in terms of limiting Westmeath's good-quality/shots that have a high conversion percentage. Westmeath have beaten the odds in terms of their conversion of these poor quality shooting chances but longer-term it's no way to win games.

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

Mayo celebrate ur president victory today , for tomorrow you dine in hell. Roscommon 2:14 Mayo 2:12.

Ah come on, Hyde Park may not be the bernabau, but I'd hardly consider it hell.

breezy1985 wrote: »

The Limerick game was great fun today and i would much prefer if it was the semi of a tournament we might win and not just a hiding to nothing in a few weeks.
The league is way more fun than the championship for about 70% of the teams

The league has been the superior competition for a long long time, especially now with the settled format. Love the league.

Boom__Boom wrote: »

I'd image throwin time was due to a TV station wanting an evening game.

Surely that would be irrelevant? A TV company can’t take home advantage from a county?

breezy1985 wrote: »

The Limerick game was great fun today and i would much prefer if it was the semi of a tournament we might win and not just a hiding to nothing in a few weeks.
The league is way more fun than the championship for about 70% of the teams

I'm all in favour of a two-tiered Championship in the near future, and the league certainly does provide a lot of the better football in an Inter-County season a s the games are usually closer.

I also realise despite reaching only our 2nd Munster final since 2002, that this team is slowly going backwards, not forwards.
However as great as winning league titles and winning a B Championship would B (and that would bring me great Joy)..... it's not the same. A Munster football Championship is something Tipperary football people would cherish for the rest of their lives. As unlikely as it may seem to happen, I would never want the potential for that to be taken away !

Hawkeye9212 wrote: »

It wouldn't be the same but it's better than chasing after a Munster title once a century. Attendances in Munster dropped by 49% in 2019 (excluding the final). Even Kerry fans are getting bored of it now.

Football in general is falling away in attendance. Its quite a poor product at the moment with very little difference in styles of play. Some are just better at it than others but in general its a risk averse game of keep ball with the odd bit of pace injected. The poorer teams get turned over whilst the better teams manage to work it to the scoring zone and take an easy finish. The excitement and magic of eras like the 90s and early 00's is gone and the interest is dwindling.

How do they fix it?
Teams are fitter,bigger and stronger than ever before and I'm struggling to see what the GAA can do to improve football as a spectle.

I don't think they will scrap the provisional system but if they did then a league and knock out competition in tandem would work well imo.

At a certain stage the lower teams would go to secondary competition but everyone would start off in the main competition.

For lack of a better example then Champions league and Europa Cup. Where top 2 in a group move onto Sam Maguire and the lower teams in a group play a second competition.


I don't really follow American Football but I remember seeing a system(possibly on Hogan Stand) similar to what they use with divisions and conferences and it being configured for GAA and it seemed like a good set up.Just one competition in place to replace league and AI .

threeball wrote: »

Football in general is falling away in attendance. Its quite a poor product at the moment with very little difference in styles of play. Some are just better at it than others but in general its a risk averse game of keep ball with the odd bit of pace injected. The poorer teams get turned over whilst the better teams manage to work it to the scoring zone and take an easy finish. The excitement and magic of eras like the 90s and early 00's is gone and the interest is dwindling.

This is because they keep tinkering with rules which are slowly removing any ingenuity from the game.

The mark needs to go. It's a nonsense. Part of the joy of sport is innovation and having the rest catch up. We can see that thread from Armagh to Tyrone through Kerry into Donegal and now Dublin (with added Mayo). They all played vastly different styles and it took something special to beat all of them eventually.

Let the game evolve.

DVDM93 wrote: »

Covid-19 match regulations state that to avoid players sharing water bottles, a stoppage of no more than one minute midway through each half is permitted for players to take on fluids at the sideline.

Couldn't they just give them ,a disposable bottle.
No sharing, hand them a bottle/ pouch of water and dump it straight away .

BonnieSituation wrote: »

This is because they keep tinkering with rules which are slowly removing any ingenuity from the game.

The mark needs to go. It's a nonsense. Part of the joy of sport is innovation and having the rest catch up. We can see that thread from Armagh to Tyrone through Kerry into Donegal and now Dublin (with added Mayo). They all played vastly different styles and it took something special to beat all of them eventually.

Let the game evolve.

The mark is crap but its not responsible for the current situation, it hasn't even been used in championship up to this year. We've been looking at drivel for 10years now. Even a team like Dublin head and shoulders above the rest is playing pass the parcel around the 45 before half the scores. Its gone like soccer but even soccer teams take more risks. Its boring as it could possibly be. You'll get one game per year that was actually worth watching.

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The match would have been in Portlaoise even if it had been in the summer. It would still have been a Saturday evening game.

I’m a bit slow to follow. Were WM drawn at home? Or was this a neutral venue because all WFs in Leinster are at neutral venues?