Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Tomtom364 · 19-03-2019 4:03pm

Id hope to see a few Irish players involved. Bierne & Stander havnt played alot so could start regardless of starting last weekend.

Loughman, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Bierne, Wycherley, Cloete, Stander;
Matthewson, Tyler, Sweetnam, Scannell, Farrell, Conway, Haley

Marshall, Killer, Archer, Billy, JOD, Cronin, Johnston, Whooton

Mr Tickle · 19-03-2019 4:14pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Id hope to see a few Irish players involved. Bierne & Stander havnt played alot so could start regardless of starting last weekend.

Loughman, Scannell, Ryan, Kleyn, Bierne, Wycherley, Cloete, Stander;
Matthewson, Tyler, Sweetnam, Scannell, Farrell, Conway, Haley

Marshall, Killer, Archer, Billy, JOD, Cronin, Johnston, Whooton

I'd sooner put CJ on the bench. Give him some time to keep him ticking over but save him for Edinbourgh. Plus I'm sure JOD will be dying for more minutes.

Cookiemunster · 19-03-2019 5:08pm

Lads, nobody involved with the Ireland camp last weekend will be playing. They'll all be on a down week. Kilcoyne posted an instragram video of himself and Murray on a beach somewhere sunny.

The update did say only Carbery and Farrell were released back.

leakyboots · 19-03-2019 5:35pm

Wasn't POM MOTM in two of our games? Whatever about the stock people place in that... the fact that he was even in the running for it says a lot. Didn't he have a rib injury going into the tournament too? I don't think anyone bar Earls and Ryan could hold their heads up after the Wales game but POM had a fine tournament apart from that particular match I thought.

Stander played most of the first match with a serious enough facial injury, had a great game against France and was pretty much par for the course (a big 'meh') against Wales along with everyone else.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear Murray's issue is due to injury. This is the only dip I can think of in his career, hopefully it'll be resolved for when he's back to us but you'd wonder. Will be interesting to see how he goes, Matthewson is an able deputy if Murray needs to be pulled ashore.

Eod100 · 19-03-2019 5:38pm

Edinburgh hoping to break record of attendance at a CC qf in UK. Saracens broke record Edinburgh set by 6 apparently..! http://www.edinburghrugby.org/news/19/03/19/news-attendance-record-sight-quarter-final

aloooof · 19-03-2019 5:42pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Wasn't POM MOTM in two of our games? Whatever about the stock people place in that... the fact that he was even in the running for it says a lot.

Genuinely don't understand some of the flack POM receives around these parts. People seem to see bare stats and go to town on him.

leakyboots wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised to hear Murray's issue is due to injury. This is the only dip I can think of in his career, hopefully it'll be resolved for when he's back to us but you'd wonder. Will be interesting to see how he goes, Matthewson is an able deputy if Murray needs to be pulled ashore.

Agreed, he's pretty much been on a constant upward trajectory since getting into the Ireland squad for the 2011 RWC. (Even within that tournament, he came in as 3rd choice ahead of Tomas O'Leary, and finished the tournament as the starting 9, iirc).

It's his first sustained period of poor form I think; hopefully he can bounce back, he's so class for us when on form.

yerrahbah · 19-03-2019 5:43pm

leakyboots wrote: »

Wasn't POM MOTM in two of our games? Whatever about the stock people place in that... the fact that he was even in the running for it says a lot. Didn't he have a rib injury going into the tournament too? I don't think anyone bar Earls and Ryan could hold their heads up after the Wales game but POM had a fine tournament apart from that particular match I thought.

Stander played most of the first match with a serious enough facial injury, had a great game against France and was pretty much par for the course (a big 'meh') against Wales along with everyone else.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear Murray's issue is due to injury. This is the only dip I can think of in his career, hopefully it'll be resolved for when he's back to us but you'd wonder. Will be interesting to see how he goes, Matthewson is an able deputy if Murray needs to be pulled ashore.

He was, he had a good tournament. Not outstanding but definitely not poor.

troyzer · 20-03-2019 8:21am

yerrahbah wrote: »

He was, he had a good tournament. Not outstanding but definitely not poor.

It was his worst tournament in years. Nearly everyone had a bad tournament. The only starters who have probably raised their stock would be Ryan, Ringrose and Earls.

Brief_Lives · 20-03-2019 9:03am

Furlong did his job too, minced the Welsh scrum, but for bad officiating......

we are not in as a bad a place as we think.

stephen_n · 20-03-2019 10:48am

aloooof wrote: »

Genuinely don't understand some of the flack POM receives around these parts. People seem to see bare stats and go to town on him.

Agreed, he's pretty much been on a constant upward trajectory since getting into the Ireland squad for the 2011 RWC. (Even within that tournament, he came in as 3rd choice ahead of Tomas O'Leary, and finished the tournament as the starting 9, iirc).

It's his first sustained period of poor form I think; hopefully he can bounce back, he's so class for us when on form.

Hopefully Murray will regain form, but we saw with Healy when he suffered nerve damage it can take quite a while. If the inaccuracy in Murray’s pass is because of a physical impediment, it may take a long time for the physio’s to work around it. Not sure what’s up with his kicking though, not sure why a shoulder injury would affect that.

phog · 20-03-2019 10:59am

troyzer wrote: »

It was his worst tournament in years. Nearly everyone had a bad tournament. The only starters who have probably raised their stock would be Ryan, Ringrose and Earls.

I doubt any Irish player could be considered to have raised their stock during the 6Ns - those lads weren't as poor as others but that about the best you can say about them.

stephen_n wrote: »

Hopefully Murray will regain form, but we saw with Healy when he suffered nerve damage it can take quite a while. If the inaccuracy in Murray’s pass is because of a physical impediment, it may take a long time for the physio’s to work around it. Not sure what’s up with his kicking though, not sure why a shoulder injury would affect that.

There's a malaise around the Irish team at the moment and excuses about injuries are just that - excuses. It's possible Sexton and Murray had more individual errors this season than the combined squad in last year's 6Ns - they were terrible. Some of their decision making was poor too - Sexton's option to kick to Stockdale last Saturday was a terrible option, it's the kind of stuff that you think comes from panic.

Edit: Ooops I thought this was the Ireland Thread

troyzer · 20-03-2019 11:00am

phog wrote: »

I doubt any Irish player could be considered to have raised their stock during the 6Ns - those lads weren't as poor as others but that about the best you can say about them.

There's a malaise around the Irish team at the moment and excuses about injuries are just that - excuses. It's possible Sexton and Murray had more individual errors this season than the combined squad in last year's 6Ns - they were terrible. Some of their decision making was poor too - Sexton's option to kick to Stockdale last Saturday was a terrible option, it's the kind of stuff that you think comes from panic.

I think they raised their game by virtue of the fact that they didn't dip. James Ryan is exactly as good as he always is even when everyone else around him is ****e. He's not going to be as productive because there is more focus on him but his form was just as good as ever. I'd argue the same for Ringrose and Earls. Neither of them dipped this tournament, they just didn't have the pieces around them to really shine.

thomond2006 · 20-03-2019 11:34am

I just saw on the Connacht thread that Stephen Fitzgerald was added to their European squad so it looks like his loan was extended. Glad to see it's worked out for him.

Eod100 · 20-03-2019 12:11pm

35 seems bit on the high side. Would have thought it would be 20-25. Either way probably not the best preparation for Edinburgh match. Edinburgh playing Leinster so have a tougher test. That said presumably all their internationals will be rested too.

https://twitter.com/andymcgeady/status/1108296675532124160

thomond2006 · 20-03-2019 12:55pm

Zebre conceded 61, 40, 54 and 42 in the last four games, while the margins of defeat were 33, 16, 47 and 32. Munster by 35 sounds about right.

yerrahbah · 20-03-2019 3:40pm

Assuming Carbery is out then whoever starts at 10 this weekend will most likely be the 10 against against Edinburgh, assuming Carbery is out then too.

For me it's either JJ or Tyler. Unfortunately neither of them have been exactly tearing up trees this season.

phog · 20-03-2019 4:24pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

Assuming Carbery is out then whoever starts at 10 this weekend will most likely be the 10 against against Edinburgh, assuming Carbery is out then too.

For me it's either JJ or Tyler. Unfortunately neither of them have been exactly tearing up trees this season.

I wonder now that Bill is added to the Cup squad could he leapfrog the other two lads if Joey is n't available, it would be a bold move and an off one given that Tyler just got a contract extension.

Eod100 · 20-03-2019 4:45pm

phog wrote: »

I wonder now that Bill is added to the Cup squad could he leapfrog the other two lads if Joey is n't available, it would be a bold move and an off one given that Tyler just got a contract extension.

Id be a bit surprised if he did. Think its more as a precaution if Carbery is out and Tyler or JJ got injured

Sabre0001 · 20-03-2019 4:53pm

Birthday coming up so being treated to trip to London for Semi Final - initially we were holding out to ensure Munster made it. But then a friend was encouraging saying to come over anyways (he's based over there). So pulled the trigger. Never considered that it would be Munster who made it and Saracens who wouldn't. Now I've to do the unthinkable and cheer for Saracens...so that we get an away Semi Final!

*facepalm

Eod100 · 20-03-2019 4:58pm

Sabre0001 wrote: »

Birthday coming up so being treated to trip to London for Semi Final - initially we were holding out to ensure Munster made it. But then a friend was encouraging saying to come over anyways (he's based over there). So pulled the trigger. Never considered that it would be Munster who made it and Saracens who wouldn't. Now I've to do the unthinkable and cheer for Saracens...so that we get an away Semi Final!

*facepalm

Chanced booking flights to Birmingham myself alright. Very cheap so I'd I don't need them feck it. Match is in Coventry so very handy. If it's any consolation, Glasgow were 13/2 when I looked the other day. Munster one should be much tighter so hopefully we get through!

Eod100 · 21-03-2019 1:08pm

Edinburgh team out for their match against Leinster tomorrow night.

Barclay makes his debut. Would imagine team will change a bit between now and next week

https://twitter.com/EdinburghRugby/status/1108699780962639872

Eod100 · 21-03-2019 1:10pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Edinburgh team out for their match against Leinster tomorrow night.

Barclay makes his debut. Would imagine team will change a bit between now and next week

https://twitter.com/EdinburghRugby/status/1108699780962639872

Also Nick Mcarthy joining Munster next season, back from injury and on bench for Leinster. Will be interesting to see how he plays

mogwai81 · 21-03-2019 1:12pm

The Edinburgh backrow is class!

razorblunt · 21-03-2019 1:22pm

mogwai81 wrote: »

The Edinburgh backrow is class!

It's actually a decent side throughout.
Johnston in the center has been very decent lately too but it will be interesting to see how Matt Scott fares too.

Mike Oxlong · 22-03-2019 11:30am

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Dbu · 22-03-2019 12:26pm

Mike Oxlong wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Keyboard warriors
Should be a nice surprise when a few guards knock at their door

Eod100 · 22-03-2019 12:40pm

Mike Oxlong wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Must have been fairly serious if gardai involved. Know it happens in the UK but didn't think we had laws like that, maybe it's harassment if it was going on for a while. Good to remind people that tweets and messages have real life consequences though

phog · 22-03-2019 12:49pm

Mike Oxlong wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Ah the keyboard warriors - I hope they're found out and dealt with accordingly.

phog · 22-03-2019 12:52pm

Munster: Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Alex Wootton; JJ Hanrahan, Alby Mathewson; Jeremy Loughman, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Fineen Wycherley, Darren O’Shea; Jack O’Donoghue, Chris Cloete, CJ Stander (C).

Replacements: Niall Scannell, Liam O’Connor, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Arno Botha, Duncan Williams, Tyler Bleyendaal, Chris Farrell.

Eod100 · 22-03-2019 12:52pm

Strong team out. Stander starts. Niall Scannell, John Ryan and Chris Farrell in 23.

Mike Haley; Darren Sweetnam, Dan Goggin, Rory Scannell, Alex Wootton; JJ Hanrahan, Alby Mathewson; Jeremy Loughman, Rhys Marshall, Stephen Archer; Fineen Wycherley, Darren O’Shea; Jack O’Donoghue, Chris Cloete, CJ Stander (C).

Replacements: Niall Scannell, Liam O’Connor, John Ryan, Jean Kleyn, Arno Botha, Duncan Williams, Tyler Bleyendaal, Chris Farrell.

Dbu · 22-03-2019 1:02pm

phog wrote: »

Ah the keyboard warriors - I hope they're found out and dealt with accordingly.

And the funny thing is that they think they are anonymous

Bazzo · 22-03-2019 2:13pm

Mike Oxlong wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Finally somebody stands up to Ewan MacKenna

Eod100 · 22-03-2019 4:05pm

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1109107934246649856

thomond2006 · 22-03-2019 5:37pm

That's probably it for Mike Sherry in a Munster jersey. He was so unfortunate with injury.

Eod100 · 22-03-2019 6:03pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

That's probably it for Mike Sherry in a Munster jersey. He was so unfortunate with injury.

Doesn't look good. Signed as injury cover for Gloucester. Small silver lining is at least he's playing rugby. Hopefully gets a contract somewhere for next season

errlloyd · 22-03-2019 7:21pm

Mike Oxlong wrote: »

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/371290/munster-rugby-report-offensive-on-line-harassment-of-players-to-gardai.html

Sad state of affairs when you have to deal with these morons

Did you guys see what this incident is about? Looks like it could end up looking bad for a few munster players.

Burkie1203 · 22-03-2019 7:53pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Did you guys see what this incident is about? Looks like it could end up looking bad for a few munster players.

How could it be bad for Munster players exactly?

boetstark · 22-03-2019 8:05pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

How could it be bad for Munster players exactly?

Social media chat between players and local girls. Not nice reading. Let's hope that the players profiles are fake because it doesnt make nice reading if they treat girls like this.

Eod100 · 22-03-2019 8:14pm

boetstark wrote: »

Social media chat between players and local girls. Not nice reading. Let's hope that the players profiles are fake because it doesnt make nice reading if they treat girls like this.

The article mentions fake profiles alright so presumably it's connected

sydthebeat · 22-03-2019 8:24pm

boetstark wrote: »

Social media chat between players and local girls. Not nice reading. Let's hope that the players profiles are fake because it doesnt make nice reading if they treat girls like this.

Is the tone of the article and the accusation not that the profiles are fake and malicious ?

razorblunt · 22-03-2019 8:35pm

boetstark wrote: »

Social media chat between players and local girls. Not nice reading. Let's hope that the players profiles are fake because it doesnt make nice reading if they treat girls like this.

No need to hope, the article pretty much makes it clear that the profiles are fake.

errlloyd · 22-03-2019 8:52pm

And if that's proven this will end up being quite a serious case of conspiracy to defame. Much more serious than a minor online bullying accusation.

boetstark · 22-03-2019 9:37pm

razorblunt wrote: »

No need to hope, the article pretty much makes it clear that the profiles are fake.

Absolutely, only thing that's making me wonder is the girl involved isnt a fake profile.

Larbre34 · 23-03-2019 1:28am

boetstark wrote: »

Absolutely, only thing that's making me wonder is the girl involved isnt a fake profile.

I've seen the material. A quick review of the profiles compared to those currently active shows that the players' profiles don't appear to be fake either. I say 'appear' because I have no way of being certain.

Put it this way, if the social media / group chat exchanges have been faked, someone went to a massive amount of effort to make them look authentic.

The description of the nature of the complaints made to the Guards sounds very much like someone is trying to get ahead of the story and control what happens next. Its a risky strategy all the same the old 'whatever you see and whatever you hear is harassment of X and Y cos we said so and that's all there is to it'

Richie_Rich89 · 23-03-2019 2:08am

False flag operation by Leinster fans no doubt.

boetstark · 23-03-2019 7:28am

Larbre34 wrote: »

I've seen the material. A quick review of the profiles compared to those currently active shows that the players' profiles don't appear to be fake either. I say 'appear' because I have no way of being certain.

Put it this way, if the social media / group chat exchanges have been faked, someone went to a massive amount of effort to make them look authentic.

The description of the nature of the complaints made to the Guards sounds very much like someone is trying to get ahead of the story and control what happens next. Its a risky strategy all the same the old 'whatever you see and whatever you hear is harassment of X and Y cos we said so and that's all there is to it'

Yeah. Seen it also. Seems like damage limitation as some of these players are married or hare in relationships. Dont need this a week before a big game..
I think this seems to be creeping into rugby in Ireland. One of a number of such incidents. I think its probably immaturity and fame goes to their heads.

bennyl10 · 23-03-2019 10:45am

boetstark wrote: »

Yeah. Seen it also. Seems like damage limitation as some of these players are married or hare in relationships. Dont need this a week before a big game..
I think this seems to be creeping into rugby in Ireland. One of a number of such incidents. I think its probably immaturity and fame goes to their heads.

Or maybe it’s actually as Munster have said?

These profiles and rumors aren’t new and have existed for a number of months, hasn’t affected performances or any kind.

Henry Ford III · 23-03-2019 10:55am

Is this material public?

c.p.w.g.w · 23-03-2019 11:14am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Is this material public?

Apparently a few screenshot's doing the rounds. I've not seen them.

Mike Oxlong · 23-03-2019 11:26am

One of the players being targeted had a twitter account created using pics readily available....and it seems he started receiving abuse on his actual twitter account because of this...
The fake account was reported and removed...
So far I think some of the individuals affected have made complaints to to the gardai

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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