Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

Bass Reeves · 28-11-2020 11:28am

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Stupid mistakes indeed, players trying Hail Mary shots like that are also a function of a poorly set up team.

Would he have tried them if we had some options inside? Probably not.
Very few things happen in isolation

I have to disagree I did a bit of coaching and team management. Some players never learn. You will see players go for goals continually no matter how often. You are on to them to take there point. Its a weakness especially of lads that play soccer. Moran seems to be one of these players.

Yes I think Keane made mistakes that put us in the position. Where we struggled with the game and did not take action sooner. It reminded me of the semi-final against Dublin in the rain in 2015 when Fitz failed to make changes in the game as we struggled to come to terms with the rain. I remember watching the game against Cork and saying to my young lad that he was not taking the weather into account the clock runs down in weather like that.

Off the turn over and two balls Moran kicked away we conseeded 1-1. The free kick into Spillane and two defenders on him was inexcusable as was the hail Mary shot...if it had gone wide we had a chance to reset but it ended up a defenders ball

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-11-2020 12:36pm

Moran is most likely retiring so why wud he be leading a shove against management? Geaney and O'Donoghue were injured for Cork game as far as I know

Poor_old_gill · 28-11-2020 12:50pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I have to disagree I did a bit of coaching and team management. Some players never learn. You will see players go for goals continually no matter how often. You are on to them to take there point. Its a weakness especially of lads that play soccer. Moran seems to be one of these players.

Yes I think Keane made mistakes that put us in the position. Where we struggled with the game and did not take action sooner. It reminded me of the semi-final against Dublin in the rain in 2015 when Fitz failed to make changes in the game as we struggled to come to terms with the rain. I remember watching the game against Cork and saying to my young lad that he was not taking the weather into account the clock runs down in weather like that.

Off the turn over and two balls Moran kicked away we conseeded 1-1. The free kick into Spillane and two defenders on him was inexcusable as was the hail Mary shot...if it had gone wide we had a chance to reset but it ended up a defenders ball

So you’re roughly in agreement that things don’t happen in isolation.

Lads give the ball away all the time- why didn’t the keeper come for the ball? The cork player caught it onto his chest for godsake.
Wtf was Tommy doing, why didn’t he do anything when that ball was dropping in?

The idea of people putting all blame on Moran is ridiculous as for that goal to happen then a lot of other people have to make mistakes aswell

Bass Reeves · 28-11-2020 1:46pm

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

So you’re roughly in agreement that things don’t happen in isolation.

Lads give the ball away all the time- why didn’t the keeper come for the ball? The cork player caught it onto his chest for godsake.
Wtf was Tommy doing, why didn’t he do anything when that ball was dropping in?

The idea of people putting all blame on Moran is ridiculous as for that goal to happen then a lot of other people have to make mistakes aswell

Yes WTF wss Tommy doing but he and the keeper were trying to make split second decisions. Moran's mistakes were when there was other options and he had time. Two pints up and he kicks not even a 50/50 ball into KS.

Poor_old_gill · 28-11-2020 1:49pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Yes WTF wss Tommy doing but he and the keeper were trying to make split second decisions. Moran's mistakes were when there was other options and he had time. Two pints up and he kicks not even a 50/50 ball into KS.

But sure their split second decision was go do nothin, both of them!
One of them takes a bit of responsibility & we never speak of that woeful game again.

dobman88 · 28-11-2020 7:23pm

Take what you want from this I guess.

https://twitter.com/Geaney15/status/1332748535402536963?s=19

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-11-2020 8:00pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Take what you want from this I guess.

https://twitter.com/Geaney15/status/1332748535402536963?s=19

The story was rubbish from the word go. A poor effort at a wind-up. Moran deliberately kicked the ball away cos PK told him not to? I doubt that very much.

Poor_old_gill · 28-11-2020 8:16pm

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The story was rubbish from the word go. A poor effort at a wind-up. Moran deliberately kicked the ball away cos PK told him not to? I doubt that very much.

I think David Moran might have picked the team against cork, that’s what I heard anyway

dobman88 · 28-11-2020 8:20pm

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

The story was rubbish from the word go. A poor effort at a wind-up. Moran deliberately kicked the ball away cos PK told him not to? I doubt that very much.

First I've heard about Moran kicking the ball away cos Keane told him not to. I'm not even sure what you mean unless I'm missing something really obvious.

I was hoping it was all a nonsesne story and we see Keane still over the team next year.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-11-2020 9:42pm

dobman88 wrote: »

First I've heard about Moran kicking the ball away cos Keane told him not to. I'm not even sure what you mean unless I'm missing something really obvious.

I was hoping it was all a nonsesne story and we see Keane still over the team next year.

It was in the WhatsApp msg that was flying around bout the disharmony in Kerry camp.

Was obviously some clown stirring

dobman88 · 28-11-2020 10:10pm

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

It was in the WhatsApp msg that was flying around bout the disharmony in Kerry camp.

Was obviously some clown stirring

Jesus :pac: yeah that's a pretty big giveaway that it was nonsense lol

SecretsOfEarth · 28-11-2020 11:26pm

He must've been playing the long game with the last few years if kicking away the ball is a managerial protest then...

DDC1990 · 29-11-2020 9:28am

I can't believe it generated so much chat here!

Of all the two characters in the Kerry squad to have picked as troublemakers! Anyone who has even met Geaney or Moran know their would be the last 2 men at the forefront.

It's not to say that everything is rosey in the garden. I'd imagine a lot of the squad members will be gutted with the tactics and the performance. However they will be looking at their own performance instead of passing all the blame to PK.

I think the idea that David Moran deliberately kicked ball away to spite Peter Keane because he misses Donie Buckley is hilarious tbh. And the idea that Liam Kearns was connected to this somehow but no other Kerry football connections had any clue.

Poor_old_gill · 29-11-2020 5:30pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

I can't believe it generated so much chat here!

Of all the two characters in the Kerry squad to have picked as troublemakers! Anyone who has even met Geaney or Moran know their would be the last 2 men at the forefront.

It's not to say that everything is rosey in the garden. I'd imagine a lot of the squad members will be gutted with the tactics and the performance. However they will be looking at their own performance instead of passing all the blame to PK.

I think the idea that David Moran deliberately kicked ball away to spite Peter Keane because he misses Donie Buckley is hilarious tbh. And the idea that Liam Kearns was connected to this somehow but no other Kerry football connections had any clue.

Some goons on here earlier were talking about Geaney’s arrogance & not being surprised! Ludicrous, must have never met the man

wonga77 · 29-11-2020 8:57pm

There were some clowns on the kerry forum doing the same re Moran. Jesus that place is a sewer at times

wackokid · 30-11-2020 6:38pm

Quiz Question.

Colm Gooch Cooper is currently second to Cillian O Connor Mayo in the all time football championship scorers list.
He scored 23 goals and 283 points (Total 352) over 84 games.

We can find on the internet that O Connor's total is made up with 8-224 from frees or 70% of his total.
Can anybody here tell us how much of Cooper's total is made up with frees.

One of my football "expert" friends is adamant that Cooper has scored more from play than O Connor whose total from play is 20-101 at present.

Radio5 · 01-12-2020 2:01pm

Darran O'Sullivan's take on all this

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40110926.html

dobman88 · 02-12-2020 10:24pm

https://twitter.com/SylvesterHenne3/status/1334245692794089476?s=19

kerryjack · 02-12-2020 11:15pm

Not an easy gig. I am sure he is getting it in the shop.

Kerrydude1981 · 09-12-2020 10:20am

Il turn 40 next year and in my 40 years I have never seen as much coverage given to hurling in the past weeks by the local media, there is a pull out about the game in the Kerryman this week which is unheard of when it comes to hurling

This is huge for everyone that promotes the game in the county, all the hard work done to get these lads from u6 to senior all the people that have given up their free time to coach these lads, keep them interested in the game and be proud to play for both club and county will all pay off when the team takes to the pitch on Sunday.

Whatever the result I hope the lads do themselves justice and take the game to Antrim and show everyone that this is not a one code county, play without fear and see where it takes them.

Best of luck to the players and management on Sunday

Ciarraí Abú

Kerrydude1981 · 09-12-2020 12:16pm

conor05 · 09-12-2020 10:48pm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Il turn 40 next year and in my 40 years I have never seen as much coverage given to hurling in the past weeks by the local media, there is a pull out about the game in the Kerryman this week which is unheard of when it comes to hurling

This is huge for everyone that promotes the game in the county, all the hard work done to get these lads from u6 to senior all the people that have given up their free time to coach these lads, keep them interested in the game and be proud to play for both club and county will all pay off when the team takes to the pitch on Sunday.

Whatever the result I hope the lads do themselves justice and take the game to Antrim and show everyone that this is not a one code county, play without fear and see where it takes them.

Best of luck to the players and management on Sunday

Ciarraí Abú

Hurling is most definitely on the rise in Kerry.

Since about 2014, baby steps have been taken with a few strumbles understandably along the way.

Kerry under 20s gave a decent account of themselves v Cork this year too in Munster, all bodes well for the future of the small ball in The Kingdom!

It is unique in a way this year that the hurlers take front and centre stage when the footballers had a poor year by their own standards!

dobman88 · 10-12-2020 7:35pm

I listened to the Jack McCaffery interview on Off The Ball today and it's an absolute must listen for any GAA fan. One of the best and most interesting interviews I've listened to in a very long time. He comes across brilliantly and its definitely worth your time.

An Ciarraioch · 13-12-2020 2:42pm

Certainly the best defensive display by the hurlers this season, and they'll be delighted with the HT score, now we just need to work our scores, rather than shooting on sight.

An Ciarraioch · 13-12-2020 3:14pm

Antrim hunting in packs since the restart, we seem to be making nothing stick in midfield.

dobman88 · 13-12-2020 3:44pm

More heartbreak for the hurlers. Antrim just a better side and kept the scoreboard ticking. I dont know the man but I really feel for Shane Conway, hes pretty much the reason I watch the hurlers so often and hes a complete gem of a player and is a thoroughly nice guy by all accounts. Youd hope they have enough to get the job done next year and have their day.

puzl · 13-12-2020 3:49pm

Hard luck Kerry, was rooting for you. Hard to begrudge Antrim really after that performance but what an ending to year a Kerry win would have been.

DDC1990 · 13-12-2020 5:18pm

Hard luck to the Hurlers. Antrim by far the better side but Kerry deserve great credit for sticking in the game so well and not letting Antrim pull away.

Antrim scored a huge total off turnovers which won them the match. Their first touch was a good bit ahead of ours.

Great credit due to the lads and the management for getting to the final.

Kerrydude1981 · 13-12-2020 6:39pm

Gutted for the lads and the management, they can be hugely proud of their hard work this year raising the level of Kerry hurling.

Antrim were the better team and they deserved the win, congrats to them
the experience off the bench in Neil McManus was a huge boost to them,
The game was like the other games against them, anytime we got close they always got the next score just to keep their noses in front.

We hit too many wides, a few bad ones and we made too many mistakes, handling errors etc.. but these things happen and can be things that can be worked on next year, the lads kept going until the end but it wasnt to be.

Roll on 2021

13-12-2020 8:11pm

Yeah, no complaints whatsoever was great going to keep that close to Antrim in the end and we had a worthy winner in Antrim!

conor05 · 14-12-2020 1:35pm

Kerry need to get Donal O' Sullivan from Kilgarvan and Barry Mahony from Crotta in full time with the Kerry hurlers.

I think Shane Conway is a fabulous hurler but the two lads mentioned above are the 2 best hurlers in Kerry.

They have the physique, power and pace to bring Kerry to the next level.

dobman88 · 14-12-2020 3:38pm

What's the reason they arent in already? Do they just choose not to?

conor05 · 14-12-2020 3:55pm

dobman88 wrote: »

What's the reason they arent in already? Do they just choose not to?

They were both on the Kerry Senior football panel this year.

Barry Mahony joined up with the hurlers in the last few weeks and made a big difference when he came on in Croke Park yesterday, very strong in the air.

dobman88 · 14-12-2020 7:22pm

conor05 wrote: »

They were both on the Kerry Senior football panel this year.

Barry Mahony joined up with the hurlers in the last few weeks and made a big difference when he came on in Croke Park yesterday, very strong in the air.

Cant say I'm familiar with either of them. You'd hope they would choose to be part of the first hurling 15 instead of an extended panel member for the football. Sounds like 2 lads the hurlers need from what you say.

Forge83 · 14-12-2020 7:32pm

conor05 wrote: »

Kerry need to get Donal O' Sullivan from Kilgarvan and Barry Mahony from Crotta in full time with the Kerry hurlers.

I think Shane Conway is a fabulous hurler but the two lads mentioned above are the 2 best hurlers in Kerry.

They have the physique, power and pace to bring Kerry to the next level.

Ah now that’s a bit of a stretch. Shane Conway is by far the best hurler in the county. Barry has the physical attributes along with a high skill level which could put him in that conversation if he was given the chance to play enough high level hurling with college and county. Football and injury haven’t allowed this yet so there’s no way you can say he’s better than Conway. Potential is not reality.
Donal would not be at the standard of these two guys but definitely good enough to strengthen a Kerry team.

awaywithyou · 14-12-2020 7:54pm

dobman88 wrote: »

Cant say I'm familiar with either of them. You'd hope they would choose to be part of the first hurling 15 instead of an extended panel member for the football. Sounds like 2 lads the hurlers need from what you say.

Barry o’mahoney was midfield for Kerry minor footballers in 2017... he also made minor team of the year that year... Donal Sullivan played with Kerry in McGrath cup at start of year I think... good hurler as well.. he got man of the match in U21B final in Navan last year.... game was played before Kerry-Meath Super8’s game...

On another note Mark O’Connor says he would have been available to Kerry had they beaten Cork... personally I would have preferred if he said nothing at all

DDC1990 · 15-12-2020 9:04pm

Kerry minors a goal behind Cork with 15mins to go.

Have dominated the 2nd half but some really poor misses with the wind have us down by a goal.

DDC1990 · 15-12-2020 9:26pm

Extra Time upcoming.

Pascal Sheehy's son kicked the equaliser for Cork with the last kick of the game.

Cork missed a good few really good chances in the last 5minutes after not missing anything all game.

McMahon from the Crokes and Maunsell from Na Gaeil we're excellent for Kerry in the 2nd half.

awaywithyou · 15-12-2020 9:27pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Kerry minors a goal behind Cork with 15mins to go.

Have dominated the 2nd half but some really poor misses with the wind have us down by a goal.

done well to go a point ahead... but as usual we let it slip.. how was Cork allowed get a shot off in the D with so many Kerry lads around

DDC1990 · 15-12-2020 9:31pm

awaywithyou wrote: »

done well to go a point ahead... but as usual we let it slip.. how was Cork allowed get a shot off in the D with so many Kerry lads around

I wouldn't be too harsh, lads are falling all over the place with cramp. We obviously used all our subs because Thomas O'Donnell couldn't walk but had to be left on. Paudie O'Leary had to be taken off with cramp and Maunsell went down with cramp as well.

They will rue the missed opportunities at the start of the 2nd half as well as the early goal more than that point I'd say.

We were blessed that Cork missed an easy 1-2 heading into injury time as well.

pmurphy00 · 15-12-2020 9:42pm

awaywithyou wrote: »

Barry o’mahoney was midfield for Kerry minor footballers in 2017... he also made minor team of the year that year... Donal Sullivan played with Kerry in McGrath cup at start of year I think... good hurler as well.. he got man of the match in U21B final in Navan last year.... game was played before Kerry-Meath Super8’s game...

On another note Mark O’Connor says he would have been available to Kerry had they beaten Cork... personally I would have preferred if he said nothing at all

i think the Mark O'Connor thing was more him saying "i was in quarantine"
Rather than anything else.

I had heard a good few murmurings as to where was he. He probably wanted to clear that up.

DDC1990 · 15-12-2020 9:48pm

All level at HT in ET.

Kerry have the wind for the final 10mins.

So close.

DDC1990 · 15-12-2020 10:05pm

3 point win for Kerry.
Well deserved especially from their extra time performance.

awaywithyou · 15-12-2020 10:05pm

thats a super super win by Kerry... for so much of the game a victory looked so unlikely... fair play to them

wonga77 · 15-12-2020 10:06pm

I was wondering if the ref forgot his whistle there at the end, 3 minutes over in what was 10 minutes of extra time

cms88 · 17-12-2020 11:07am

https://www.balls.ie/hurling/hurling-tralee-killarney-south-kerry-455764

This makes for interesting reading.

I have to say i cringed when i seen the likes of Leona Twiss and others in the county board the last few weeks going on about the hurlers, when normally they couldn't give a **** about them.

On the topic if hurling is to kick on at county level players from South Kerry will have to be looked at. Are they good enough? Who know. But the only why we'll know is if they're actually looked at.

In the 90s when Kerry were playing Div 1 of the league some of the teams main player were from South Kerry and at underge the players seem to be there.

Kerrydude1981 · 17-12-2020 9:02pm

cms88 wrote: »

https://www.balls.ie/hurling/hurling-tralee-killarney-south-kerry-455764

This makes for interesting reading.

I have to say i cringed when i seen the likes of Leona Twiss and others in the county board the last few weeks going on about the hurlers, when normally they couldn't give a **** about them.

On the topic if hurling is to kick on at county level players from South Kerry will have to be looked at. Are they good enough? Who know. But the only why we'll know is if they're actually looked at.

In the 90s when Kerry were playing Div 1 of the league some of the teams main player were from South Kerry and at underge the players seem to be there.

We need a senior South Kerry divisional team, these lads will never improve unless they step up to play in the senior championship and county league.

conor05 · 17-12-2020 9:28pm

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

We need a senior South Kerry divisional team, these lads will never improve unless they step up to play in the senior championship and county league.

Are Dr Crokes not been blocked by the Kerry County board at the minute from trying to enter the Kerry SHC for 2021?

They are taking their case to Croke Park.

cms88 · 17-12-2020 10:28pm

conor05 wrote: »

Are Dr Crokes not been blocked by the Kerry County board at the minute from trying to enter the Kerry SHC for 2021?

They are taking their case to Croke Park.

How come?

Kerrydude1981 · 17-12-2020 11:18pm

conor05 wrote: »

Are Dr Crokes not been blocked by the Kerry County board at the minute from trying to enter the Kerry SHC for 2021?

They are taking their case to Croke Park.

First I heard of this

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