50th Anniversary of Kennedy Assassination

DexyDrain · 27-11-2013 8:35pm

Lots of points to cover there! The windscreen appears cracked but that doesn't look like a direct hit bullet hole, it was hit by fragments. There's no visible through-hole: http://jfklancer.com/photos/limo/CE351.jpg

The bullet passed through Kennedy's neck and did not strike any bones on the way, when a bullet hits a bone it can change its orientation (yaw, pitch etc.) which causes a much larger exit wound in most cases. Since this bullet passed straight through human tissue it had no collisions to change its orientation, hence a neater exit wound than you might expect. However in a later study it was found that ER medics are no better than chance at identifying correctly entry and exit wounds.

They used the exit wound to insert a tracheotomy tube, hence why the autopsy team had problems locating the exit wound later.

The autopsy team had actually performed many autopsies previously.

sid waddell · 29-11-2013 9:38pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

There's a lot more than that which proves some shots came from the front

The windscreen of the limo was also hit - and the car was dismantled very quickly afterwards (you would think it would be a priority to preserve evidence in a presidential assassination wouldn't you?). But photographic evidence and the Zapruder film prove it exists, and several witness who observed the car parked outside Parkland hospital (for example, Dallas Policemen H.R. Freeman and Stavis Ellis - the latter said "You could put a pencil through it"...and did...along with Richard Dudman, a reporter for The St. Louis Post Dispatch) say they saw it. Also, author Doug Weldon tracked down the official at Ford who had been responsible for replacing the windshield, who also confirmed that the original had a through-and-through hole in it.

There was no hole in the windscreen - only a crack made by a fragment from the bullet from the third shot which hit Kennedy's head.

http://home.comcast.net/~the-puzzle-palace/CE350W.gif

The car was handed over to the investigators for weeks before being refitted.

sid waddell · 29-11-2013 9:47pm

The evidence that all three shots came from where Oswald was situated is overwhelming and undisputable.

All physical, video and forensic evidence proves it without a shadow of a doubt.

The single bullet theory has been deliberately and medaciously represented as the magic bullet theory. There was nothing magic about it.

To account for a second shooter, now that, on the other hand, would certainly require a magic bullet theory.

Laois_Man · 30-11-2013 5:35pm

sid waddell wrote: »

The evidence that all three shots came from where Oswald was situated is overwhelming and undisputable.

All physical, video and forensic evidence proves it without a shadow of a doubt.

The single bullet theory has been deliberately and medaciously represented as the magic bullet theory. There was nothing magic about it.

To account for a second shooter, now that, on the other hand, would certainly require a magic bullet theory.

There is nothing definitive to say that there was only 3 shots and a exit would in THE BACK of Kennedy's head (hidden by Warren) is hardly indisputable

Also, I have never misrepresented anything to do with the single bullet story. But I have SHOWN how the Warren commission misrepresented some things.

And I haven't even mentioned most of it

For example....

Hardly any witnesses who were of the view that gunshots came anywhere other than the book depository building were not called to testify to the Warren commission. And there were many of them

Robert F Kennedy had his own investigators look the assassination and found that phone records of Oswald and Ruby, "were like an inventory" of mafia leaders the government had been investigating".

Some witnesses said more than one person shot officer Tippet. None of these were called to testify to the Warren Commission and some were intimidated. Here's one example, a lady called Acquilla Clemons. Notice how she describes one of the men as heavy. Oswald could never have been described as being heavy. Nobody ever even took a witness statement from her - giving poor health as the reason. And this poor health condition was.....Diabetes!!! Also, the chief witness to the Tippit shooting was Temple F. Bowley - a Bouncer for Jack Ruby through most of the 1950's.

Warren Reynolds was another witness who, by pure coincidence (sarcasm) was shot in the head while at work in January 1964 - only 2 days after being first formally questioned. When a suspect, Darrell Wayne Garner, was arrested for this shooting, he was provided with an alibi by Betty Mooney MacDonald. 8 days later, McDonald herself was arrested and was found dead in her cell less than 2 hours after her arrest - as confirmed by the Warren Commission themselves.

And the coincidences keep adding up.
- Journalist Dorothy Kilgallen, most famous for revealing the JFK/Marilyn Munroe affair, and the journalist who interviewed Jack Ruby after he shot Oswald (which was never allowed to be published), was also found dead in 1965 aged 52.
- Rose Cheramie, an employee of Jack Ruby, insisted Ruby and Oswald knew each other and she had 2 attempts made on her life, the first unsuccessful in 1963, the second successful in 1965.
- Bill Hunter, one of two Dallas investigative reporters working together on the assassination was murdered in April 1964.
- The other, Jim Koethe was murdered by a burglar in September 1964.
- Even a member of the Warren Commission itself, House majority leader Hale Boggs, the only dissenting voice on the commission that was against the single bullet theory, and who was continuing to investigate the assassination died in a small plane crash in 1972 soon after he had begun to speak publicly about it.
- Jack Zangretti who expressed foreknowledge of Ruby shooting Oswald- murdered in December '63.
- Eddy Benavides, lookalike brother of Tippit shooting witness Domingo Benavide, shot dead in February '65.
- Hank Killam who lived in the same building as Oswald and was married to a Ruby employee, he spent the 4 months after the assassination trying to get away from the FBI before being murdered on the street by throat slit.

A hand written note written by Oswald for the FBI a few weeks before the assassination was shredded by the FBI on the day Oswald died

Dr. McClelland, Dr. Paul Peters, Dr. Richard Dulaney, Dr. Kenneth Salyer and nurse Audrey Bell - all of Parkland hospital Dallas, along with witnesses from Bethesda hospital - autopsy photographer Floyd Reibe, X-Ray technician Jerrol Custer, witness Paul O'Connor, ALL say the photographs and x-ray images that were put in the national archives of Kennedy's head shot are unquestionably NOT what they saw themselves. These images show a wound extending all the way to the front of the head. What they saw was a wound extending to the back of the head. Custer was the one who took that actual x-ray and whats was presented by the Warren Commission is not what he took. Reibe assisted with the autopsy photographs and he has also said it is not what he saw that night and not the pictures he took. In every single one of the accounts, what they say they saw is 100% consistent with each other. The House Assassinations Committee refused to show the Dallas doctors these images. The other autopsy photographer, Lt. William Pitzer who was also assistant to Custer, "committed suicide" in 1966.

The next picture bears absolutely NO resemblance whatsoever to the sketches of the head shot released by and presented in the Warren Commissions proceedings

WARING: This picture is disturbing

The Warren commission concluded, based on the Zapruder flm, that the limo didn't slow down as some witnesses claim. But a color-enhanced copy of the Muchmore film categorically proves that it did because it shows that the red back right break light came on.

There were some questions on the day as to whether Agent George Hickey who was in the follow-up car directly behind the presidential limousine, had fired at somebody - Hicky can be seen in photgraphs holding a up rifle behind the president after he heard one of the shots. The following day Hickey was quick to deny he fired a shot. He issued a statement (Statement: 18H765):
"After a very short distance I heard a loud report which sounded like a firecracker. It appeared to come from the right and rear and seemed to me to be at ground level".

But then again, it seems anyone who says anything other than the shots came from the 6th floor of TSBD are always all mistaken, and none of those who corroborate the official line are ever called into question.

Dr James Humes, the senior pathologist who performed the autopsy on Kennedy, stated in a certificate dated November 24, 1963 that he burned "certain preliminary draft notes" and that he "transmitted all other paper related to this report to higher authority." However, in 1997 he told the Assassination Records Review Board, after what the Board called "persistent questioning, that he destroyed all of his autopsy notes, and the first draft of his report.

But while you mention bullet fragments. This points to more evidence that Connally was shot more than once. Because the bullet which was found on a stretcher in Parkland hospital was said by Warren Commission to be the throat bullet - or magic bullet - the one that they'd have you believe passed through Kennedy, then passed through Connally twice and then lodged in his left thigh so deep that metallic fragments from the bullet were lodged in the thigh bone where they remained for the rest of Connallys life. This bullet miraculously fell out, all by itself on a stretcher - and further fragments were left in Connallys shattered wrist. BUT....This bullet (exhibit ce399) was in near pristine condition with its jacket intact.

The normal weight of the bullet was 160 to 161 grains and the "magic bullet" weighed 158.6 grains when it was recovered. The fragments taken out of Connally weighed 2.3 grains - which adds up to 160.9 grains - and we haven't even counted the fragments still left in Connally's wrist and thigh and further fragments that logically have to have been left in the car and which cant be distinguished from those fragments from the head shot bullet.

Dr. Robert Roeder Shaw, the surgeon who operated on Connally in his testimony said "this bullet has lost literally none of its substance" and " I feel that there would be some difficulty in explaining all of the wounds as being inflicted by bullet Exhibit 399 without causing more in the way of loss of substance to the bullet or deformation of the bullet".

How do the Warren Commission get around all this - they said there were no other fragments in the car and that the bullet fragments remaining in Connallys thigh were from some other mysterious old injury - as if he had been shot in the same place before that day

The police, FBI, CIA, nobody has ever once been able to reproduce a gunshot through one bone (never mind two) which came out looking in anything near the good condition that exhibit ce399 looked in.

Compare this with the bullet which struck Kennedy's head which they say disintegrated as a result of the one impact it experienced.

Army intelligence officer James Powell took a colour photo of the Texas School book depository 30 seconds after the shooting. This photograph was withheld for 13 years and even then was only revealed in black & white. The photograph, when enhanced, shows what appears to be the silhouette of a person in the snipers nest - this silhouette doesn't show up in a black & white version of the photo. This could not have been Lee Harvey Oswald - because he was seen and spoken to by his boss Roy Truely and policeman Marion Baker in the 2nd floor lunchroom, calmly drinking a bottle of coke, 70-90 seconds after the shooting and 40-60 seconds after that photograph was taken. Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles were on the stairs at this time and Oswald did not pass them on the stairs

Jack Weavers photo taken seconds before the shooting, when enhanced, appears to show 2 people in the snipers nest.

This fits with the Carolyn Walther witness account. Not surprisingly, she was never asked to testify at Warren either - nor was Richard Randolph Carr who gave a similar account. Lee Bowers was the only person with a view behind the fence and the Warren Commission wouldn't allow him to tell his full story and didn't call the railworkers from their overpass vantage point either

Tom Dillard, a Dallas press photographer, took another photo of the TSBD building 15 seconds after the last shot was fired. This photo was cropped when it was originally released. The uncropped version which has since emerged, shows a heavy set man looking out the 6th floor window on the Eastern side of the building - Oswald is alleged to have been on the western side. Remember, the entire 6th floor of the building is one large room. It is unknown who this person is, why his presence there was willfully hidden and what he knows about the shooting

The "black dog man" (as he was referred to by the House Assassinations Committee) can be seen from several source crouching behind the retaining wall overlooking the grassy knoll - he can be seen in both the Nix film and the Muchmore film, and in photographs taken by Phil Willis and a particularly significant one taken by Mary Ann Morman at the exact impact of the headshot. The Nix film, when optically enhanced, shows a flash coming from this mans left hand at the exact instant of the fatal headshot. Even more significantly, in several frames of the Zapruder film, especially in frame 413, we can see the rear of the head of "Black dog man" 5.5 seconds after the headshot.

The Nix film and a Television News cameramans film both also show the immediate reaction of the crowd a few seconds after the shooting with many people including police officers running up the grassy knoll towards the spot where "Black dog man" had been situated - ignoring the TSBD building. The man had run off and the identity of those who had first reached the sport where he had been remains unknown. Police and the man with the fake Secret Service ID , turned most people back but radio reports from the day does say that a man was chased across the railway tracks.

In 1978, Ruth Stapelton, the sister of then US President Jimmy Carter discovered the image of the infamous "badgeman" - another possible shooter

DexyDrain · 30-11-2013 6:13pm

'Badge Man' has been definitively debunked, even the 'expert' cited in 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' had actually produced a report saying the figure is probably not a person, but if it is a person they are standing several metres behind the fence at a height of several feet, hardly an inconspicuous place for a sniper in the middle of a car park!

The 'magic bullet' is not magic. Absolutely, shooting a bullet into a bone will cause it to significantly deform.

What you have to grasp to understand the condition of the magic bullet is just some basic physics. A bullet at full speed from the gun hitting a bone is one thing, this bullet was significantly slowed by passing through several inches of tissue in Kennedy's neck, then Connally's body. By the time it hit Connally's rib, the first bone it came into contact with, it had slowed very significantly from its initial flight speed. This means it had enough force to smash the bone but was not travelling fast enough on impact with this bone to cause significant damage to the bullet itself. The metal of the bullet is much more dense than the bone, therefore it needs massive force (speed) in order to cause it to deform or explode. It was travelling at even slower speeds when it impacted the radius at Connally's wrist.

The bullet was also tumbling when it hit Connally so the first impact with bone was not the head of the bullet like in tests where they fire it straight at a bone, it was more likely along its length. Visible compression on the side of the bullet is clear in the photos.

The fragments found in Connally were the soft lead that had been squeezed out of the base of the bullet, this is a common phenomenon and the fragments total weight was actually minuscule. Neutron Activation Analysis on the fragments strongly suggests they all came from the same 'magic bullet'.

DexyDrain · 30-11-2013 9:15pm

It should also be noted that Robert F. Kennedy Jr is a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist who thinks vaccines cause autism so anything he says should be viewed against that kind of idiocy. Oswald didn't have a personal phone and his landlady says he made one or two calls a day, always in what she thought was Russian. Oswald's wife was Russian and spoke little English. Since they were living apart it is logical that he was ringing home.

Likewise, the FBI had bugged the mafia in Chicago where Ruby was from, after Oswald was shot by a Ruby they recorded conversations in which it was plain that none of the mobsters had ever heard of Jack Ruby.

sid waddell · 01-12-2013 12:23am

Laois_Man wrote: »

Some witnesses said more than one person shot officer Tippet. None of these were called to testify to the Warren Commission and some were intimidated. Here's one example, a lady called Acquilla Clemons. Notice how she describes one of the men as heavy. Oswald could never have been described as being heavy. Nobody ever even took a witness statement from her - giving poor health as the reason. And this poor health condition was.....Diabetes!!! Also, the chief witness to the Tippit shooting was Temple F. Bowley - a Bouncer for Jack Ruby through most of the 1950's.

There is overwhelming multiple eyewitness testimony to prove that Oswald killed Tippit, alone.

The bullets were also perfectly consistent with Oswald's revolver. Four cartridge cases were found at the scene and matched his revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons.

Acquilla Clemons was clearly not a reliable witness.

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100tippit.html

Among those dedicated to exonerating Oswald of Tippit's murder, Acquilla Clemons is easily the most popular witness. But she did not come forward with her story until later, and there is considerable doubt that she even witnessed the events she described. The first investigators to interview Clemons, George and Patricia Nash, came away with the impression that Clemons "may have based her story on second-hand accounts of others at the scene."(25)
If indeed Clemons was telling the truth, then two factors must be taken into account: her distance from the crime scene, about three-quarters of a block away, and the timing of her account: she did not see anything until some seconds after the last shot was fired.(26)

Dale Myers, who has researched the Tippit murder exhaustively, believes that the man Clemons saw standing near Tippit's patrol car was Oak Cliff resident Frank Cimino, who ran out of his house when he heard the shots, spoke briefly with witness Helen Markham, and approached Tippit to confirm he was dead.(27)

Retired FBI agent Jim Hosty has a different opinion. In an interview with Steve Bochan, Hosty states, "Well, the ones that she saw leaving were the taxi cab driver [Scoggins] and the used car salesman [Ted Callaway] that took Tippit's pistol and went looking for Oswald. You know, they came over, got his gun, and tried to chase him down but lost him." This is possible, if Clemons missed seeing Callaway and Scoggins get into Scoggins's cab a moment later, and drive off in search of Oswald.(28)

Dale Myers notes that at least one part of Clemons's tale lacks credibility. She told a variety of stories about a man she claimed threatened her, warning her not to speak about what she had seen. To George and Patricia Nash, she claimed this man had been an FBI agent. (FBI files disclose no references to Mrs. Clemons.) To researcher Mark Lane, she claimed the man had been a gun-toting police officer. But in a portion of her interview that was cut from Lane's film, Rush to Judgment, Clemons describes the man carrying, not a gun, but a camera, suggesting that if Clemons was frightened by anyone, it may well have been a newspaperman.(29)

Either way, several witnesses saw one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, shoot J. D. Tippit; Clemons is the only witness who claims to have seen two men murder Tippit. Whatever it was that Clemons saw, if anything, she is simply not a credible witness.(30)

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50th Anniversary of Kennedy Assassination

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