Unpopular Opinions - OP Updated with Threadban List 4/5/21

the beer revolu · 21-08-2019 2:43pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

No you parroted the aprooved PC line of official Ireland which has no basis in reality but which is essential to progress in politics or media

Oh for Jesus sake. Do try to keep up.
What you posted isn't an unpopular opinion. It's an extremely popular opinion.
That's what Bertie was getting at.
I suspect he holds the same prejudicial discrimination against travelers as you do.

Bigbagofcans · 21-08-2019 2:47pm

biko wrote: »

My unpopular opinion 2 - it should be perfectly fine to point out spelling errors to people on internet forums.
If you don't tell people what is wrong, how do you suppose they learn?

It's often the people with atrocious spelling and grammar who start threads too.

Are we taught enough about spelling/grammar in school, or did people just not pay attention?

Mad_maxx · 21-08-2019 3:00pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Oh for Jesus sake. Do try to keep up.
What you posted isn't an unpopular opinion. It's an extremely popular opinion.
That's what Bertie was getting at.
I suspect he holds the same prejudicial discrimination against travelers as you do.

Travellers are not descriminated against unless discrimination now means being immune from the laws which apply to the general population in various ways

Mad_maxx · 21-08-2019 3:02pm

biko wrote: »

My unpopular opinion 2 - it should be perfectly fine to point out spelling errors to people on internet forums.
If you don't tell people what is wrong, how do you suppose they learn?

What makes you think it's your responsibility to point out what's wrong and educate others?

the beer revolu · 21-08-2019 3:04pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Travellers are not descriminated against unless discrimination now means being immune from the laws which apply to the general population in various ways

And your discriminatory view is a very popular one.
You do realise that this thread is called "unpopular opinions"?
What are you finding difficult to understand about that?
That's what Bertie was alluding to.
Do you still really not understand?

Chips Lovell · 21-08-2019 3:10pm

Boards should oblige people to post under their real name. You can close your account if you want, but you can't open any more.

It would cut down on 90% of the eejitry.

21-08-2019 3:12pm

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Boards should oblige people to post under their real name. You can close your account if you want, but you can't open any more.

It would cut down on 90% of the eejitry.

good idea. i doubt any of the degenerates would be brave enough to stand by their opinions in public with their name attached then, like "oreos are ****"
pffff

dundalkfc10 · 21-08-2019 3:22pm

bluewolf wrote: »

good idea. i doubt any of the degenerates would be brave enough to stand by their opinions in public with their name attached then, like "oreos are ****"
pffff

Pricks like the arsehole above calling people degenerates cause they dont agree with him getting called out on it

whisky_galore · 21-08-2019 3:23pm

Chips Lovell wrote: »

Boards should oblige people to post under their real name. You can close your account if you want, but you can't open any more.

It would cut down on 90% of the eejitry.

Lead by example. Unless that's your real name.

Omackeral · 21-08-2019 3:34pm

bluewolf wrote: »

good idea. i doubt any of the degenerates would be brave enough to stand by their opinions in public with their name attached then, like "oreos are ****"
pffff

Hold the phone... Oroes are crap. Over-rated pieces of gick. They get far too much love. If I ever do a biscuit tournament, they're gone in the preliminary rounds.

PS- this is my real name.

21-08-2019 3:36pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Hold the phone... Oroes are crap. Over-rated pieces of gick. They get far too much love. If I ever do a biscuit tournament, they're gone in the preliminary rounds.

PS- this is my real name.

:D:D

you should do a biscuit one at some stage, they're great ideas for threads. you can cause controversy including or excluding jaffa cakes

Hector Savage · 21-08-2019 3:52pm

Cyclepath wrote: »

A man should not be forced to take on financial or other responsibility for supporting a baby he doesn't want, for example an unplanned pregnancy, one night stand with no protection etc.

To clarify, I am pro-choice, but a prospective mother has the right to abort a foetus without recourse to the potential father, so I think it's only fair that the man should have a choice too.

Exactly, and you'll notice the pro choice women are usually demanding the man pays..

ancapailldorcha · 21-08-2019 4:05pm

Cats are superior to dogs and many people.

Cordell · 21-08-2019 4:08pm

Whiskey in a Jar - Metallica's version is the best.

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 4:09pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It's not business. Business is regulated and they pay tax. This is simply ripping people off. Plus people get ripped off twice if the concert is cancelled and the money is refunded to the person who initially bought the ticket.

dont get me wrong its not without issue. there are cowboys in all industries.
that industry should be legal and tax compliant.
but buying and selling tickets should not be ilegal . what they sell them for is not relivent once the customer agrees to it.
i doubt anyone has ever been ripped off if they got a valid and genuine ticket for the event for the price they agreed to pay

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:27pm

LirW wrote: »

Potatoes are overrated.

Genuine unpopular comment. No likes but the guy who asked you to take it back got plenty.

Kudos.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:29pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

dont get me wrong its not without issue. there are cowboys in all industries.
that industry should be legal and tax compliant.
but buying and selling tickets should not be ilegal . what they sell them for is not relivent once the customer agrees to it.
i doubt anyone has ever been ripped off if they got a valid and genuine ticket for the event for the price they agreed to pay

It’s not regulated because it’s illegal.

What a funny thing it is that people in capitalist societies are ok with everything being resold for a profit - housing, shares, antiques and on and on.

Just not concert tickets.

uncommon_name · 21-08-2019 4:32pm

The only issue with selling tickets is the amount of fake ones are being sold and how easy it is to counterfeit them.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:35pm

I think Irish should be taught in schools and be on signs etc precisely because education is about the transmission of culture as well as training. Irish before coding.

Rote learning is fine as a teaching method.

HorrorScope · 21-08-2019 4:36pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

I think Irish should be taught in schools and be on signs etc precisely because education is about the transmission of culture as well as training. Irish before coding.

Rote learning is fine as a teaching method.

Coding will earn you money, Irish will earn you brownie points in a Gaeltacht pub while you are staring at your shoes wondering why you can’t get a job.

sbsquarepants · 21-08-2019 4:37pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It’s not regulated because it’s illegal.

What a funny thing it is that people in capitalist societies are ok with everything being resold for a profit - housing, shares, antiques and on and on.

Just not concert tickets.

I just don't get it. If you own a thing that someone else is willing to pay over the odds for, you should by all means be allowed to sell it and profit. That's the very basis of commerce - it can't be fine for cornflakes but immoral for Taylor Swift!

Cordell · 21-08-2019 4:38pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

Coding will earn you money, Irish will earn you brownie points in a Gaeltacht pub while you are staring at your shoes wondering why you can’t get a job.

Code can be taught in Irish, win-win.

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 4:39pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I just don't get it. If you own a thing that someone else is willing to pay over the odds for, you should by all means be allowed to sell it and profit. That's the very basis of commerce - it can't be fine for cornflakes but immoral for Taylor Swift!

exactly. now i would draw the line at buy her , her tickets yes but a person no.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:40pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

Coding will earn you money, Irish will earn you brownie points in a Gaeltacht pub while you are staring at your shoes wondering why you can’t get a job.

Yeh I don’t care. Because education isn’t about training. Isn’t just about training anyway.

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 4:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

It’s not regulated because it’s illegal.

What a funny thing it is that people in capitalist societies are ok with everything being resold for a profit - housing, shares, antiques and on and on.

Just not concert tickets.

my point is that it shouldnt be illegal. highly regualtated yes but made legal. there should be no regualtion on the selling price. let the market decide that

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 4:42pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Yeh I don’t care. Because education isn’t about training. Isn’t just about training anyway.

education should only be about training . you should not learn any useless skills in education system. learn them in your own time. school should teach you skills to look after yourself and to get jobs

HorrorScope · 21-08-2019 4:42pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Yeh I don’t care. Because education isn’t about training. Isn’t just about training anyway.

Education should be preparing you with actionable skills for the real world instead of wasting time on a dead language.

AlphabetCards · 21-08-2019 4:43pm

Bicycles and cyclists should be banned from most of the important roads, and from narrow roads. The sheer amount of pollution they cause when lines of traffic build up behind them, operating at lower (fuel inefficient) speeds and the acceleration/deceleration has an overall detrimental effect on the environment. This is even worse when they cycle two-abreast - yes it is legal, but it causes more environmental damage by causing huge lines of traffic to build up.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:45pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

Education should be preparing you with actionable skills for the real world instead of wasting time on a dead language.

That’s a training course not education.

If we wanted that we’d get rid of most subjects and have business English, coding, how to be a good service worker, plumbing and Chinese. Business Chinese. No poetry.

Cordell · 21-08-2019 4:48pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

my point is that it shouldnt be illegal. highly regualtated yes but made legal. there should be no regualtion on the selling price. let the market decide that

You have something that people want to buy, but plenty of others have it as well - free market self-regulating competitive commerce
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it - price gouging, free market but not self-regulating and not competitive. Arguably, not commerce either.
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it, and you're in this position because you bought all available somethings in order to create the situation described at the "price gouging" - touting, not free market. Should be illegal.

Oversimplifies it a bit, but also hope it's all clear now.

quokula · 21-08-2019 4:55pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I just don't get it. If you own a thing that someone else is willing to pay over the odds for, you should by all means be allowed to sell it and profit. That's the very basis of commerce - it can't be fine for cornflakes but immoral for Taylor Swift!

If a bunch of people jumped on the cornflake truck as it was arriving at the supermarket, bought all the cornflakes so shoppers couldn't, then stood outside the supermarket selling them for 5 times the price, something would probably be done to limit that too. The comparison between cornflakes and Taylor Swift would be CDs, which you can happily sell second hand if anyone could be bothered to buy them.

The free market is rightly regulated in all sorts of ways and tickets are just one of them. They're not a physical good, they're proof that you have permission to enter a venue. That permission might be predicated on other criteria like not being underage or not being barred from the premises, which the ticket tout circumvents.

Ultimately though the whole concept of the free market is built on some people producing stuff, and other people buy the stuff, and the price being set through supply and demand.

Middle men like shops, advertisers etc skim profit off the top, but they also provide an essential service to the producer in getting the product to the customer. Ticket touts provide no value at any point, they simply make it more difficult for the consumer to get the tickets, without any upside for the producer. Are there other examples outside of ticket touting where this happens and it's perfectly legal? Sure. And maybe they should be regulated. But I don't see any good argument to let ticket touts leech off of both musicians and concert goers.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 4:58pm

Cordell wrote: »

You have something that people want to buy, but plenty of others have it as well - free market self-regulating competitive commerce
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it - price gouging, free market but not self-regulating and not competitive. Arguably, not commerce either.
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it, and you're in this position because you bought all available somethings in order to create the situation described at the "price gouging" - touting, not free market. Should be illegal.

Oversimplifies it a bit, but also hope it's all clear now.

That’s not what touts do. There’s no one man buying up all the tickets and naming his price. Multiple buyers and sellers.

HorrorScope · 21-08-2019 4:59pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

That’s a training course not education.

If we wanted that we’d get rid of most subjects and have business English, coding, how to be a good service worker, plumbing and Chinese.

And in some cases that would be an exceptional alternative offering of education - I never gave a **** for irrelevant stuff like algebra or boreal climates or Peig. A varied choice would do wonders for the curriculum, imagine people who aren’t great at history, science etc getting to do English, Business, Coding, Soft Skills etc while the academics could continue to tote learn the other stuff. I think that would be an excellent education system that allowed that level of choice don’t you?

Cordell · 21-08-2019 5:00pm

The touts buy the tickets in bulk, then wait for the general availability to dry out, then they sell. Same difference

Greyfox · 21-08-2019 5:04pm

AlphabetCards wrote: »

The sheer amount of pollution they cause when lines of traffic build up behind them, operating at lower (fuel inefficient) speeds and the acceleration/deceleration has an overall detrimental effect on the environment.

When they don't cycle 2 abreast they dont cause pollution as the cars can just easily pass them out

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 5:04pm

HorrorScope wrote: »

And in some cases that would be an exceptional alternative offering of education - I never gave a **** for irrelevant stuff like algebra or boreal climates or Peig. A varied choice would do wonders for the curriculum, imagine people who aren’t great at history, science etc getting to do English, Business, Coding, Soft Skills etc while the academics could continue to tote learn the other stuff. I think that would be an excellent education system that allowed that level of choice don’t you?

It wouldn’t be an education system. It would be a system to produce worker drones.

As an addition to the curriculum, maybe.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 5:07pm

Cordell wrote: »

The touts buy the tickets in bulk, then wait for the general availability to dry out, then they sell. Same difference

There are limits to how many they can buy. It’s exactly the same as everything else. Buy low. Sell high. Demand exceeds supply - price goes up. New concert added and price goes down, touts can’t give them away.

And of all the things we get mad about with regards to profiteering why is it a concert ticket.

theological · 21-08-2019 5:12pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

what unpopular opinions do you hold on boards and in real life?

Goodness where do I start.

I believe in God and what He has revealed about Himself in the Bible. I believe that Jesus lived, was crucified in our place for our sins and rose again on the third day.

I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

I believe there are only two genders male and female.

I believe life begins at conception and it is never right to kill a child by choice no matter how hard you try and justify it.

I don't believe that sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is right.

I believe in free speech and freedom of religion shouldn't be restricted just because they offend somebody's sensibilities. Get thicker skin.

I'm sure I've got more in there but those are enough.

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 5:12pm

Cordell wrote: »

You have something that people want to buy, but plenty of others have it as well - free market self-regulating competitive commerce
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it - price gouging, free market but not self-regulating and not competitive. Arguably, not commerce either.
You have something that people want, and you're the only one that have it, and you're in this position because you bought all available somethings in order to create the situation described at the "price gouging" - touting, not free market. Should be illegal.

Oversimplifies it a bit, but also hope it's all clear now.

thats not a fair representation

you buy something that has a very specific use by date. it gets more valuble upto the point but worthless after that.
you buy it when it cheapest and take the risk that your perishable something will be worthless. you decide what its worth to sell it . you have to gamble between selling it now and keeping it to sell later when its worth more but could be left with it and worth nothing. that rarely happens because the people buying it are willing to pay the selling price. so its actually selling for at or less that its maximum value .

at the end of the day the asking price is set by the seller but the seller can buy or not . it the seller is selling for more that they are worth then they will be left with them or forced to lewer ther price until they find the actual value. the value only goes up while there is a shortage of availible tickets . if there are more tickets than buyers then the price comes down .

there is nothing ilegal about any of this in any industry except ticket sales. its wrong that this is banned. im supprised there hasnt been a constitutional challange to it

Portsalon · 21-08-2019 5:15pm

phutyle wrote: »

None of the elderly people I know in my locality have ever even applied for a bus pass, because there's literally no opportunity for them to use it.

Most of them don't need to. It issues automatically at age 66 to anyone with a PSC.

HorrorScope · 21-08-2019 5:20pm

theological wrote: »

I believe there are only two genders male and female.

I don’t think that’s an unpopular opinion - all this self ID nonsense can **** right off.

I believe life begins at conception and it is never right to kill a child by choice no matter how hard you try and justify it.

Respectfully disagree with this though- it easy to make sound bites when you haven’t experienced it yourself. Why would you want to inflict a short life of pain and agony on an unviable human being? To soothe a conscience or religious beliefs? It’s not a throwaway decision believe me.

Portsalon · 21-08-2019 5:24pm

And, while on the topic of PSCs: I think that they're great, have no fears of the "big brother" or "data retention" balderdash, and firmly believe that their use should be extended to deal with as many government-citizen interfaces as possible.

And if the present or any future government wants to rename them National ID Cards then I'm all for that too.

Cordell · 21-08-2019 5:27pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

there is nothing ilegal about any of this in any industry except ticket sales. its wrong that this is banned. im supprised there hasnt been a constitutional challange to it

Influencing, or to be precise, manipulating the market is illegal in many cases. If this is not the case in ticket touting then it's fair game, but I don't think it is.

Cordell · 21-08-2019 5:28pm

theological wrote: »

I don't believe that sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is right.

It may not be right, but god, it's so good

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 5:28pm

Cordell wrote: »

Influencing, or to be precise, manipulating the market is illegal in many cases. If this is not the case in ticket touting then it's fair game, but I don't think it is.

in what way are they manipulating the market.

Cordell · 21-08-2019 5:34pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

in what way are they manipulating the market.

By upsetting the supply and demand balance - see above.
If it's all good, then let it happen everywhere, including plane tickets.

Portsalon · 21-08-2019 5:34pm

theological wrote: »

I don't believe that sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman is right.

Can you forgive the Mother of Jesus for having indulged in extra-marital tantric sex with an Archangel?

the_pen_turner · 21-08-2019 5:42pm

Cordell wrote: »

By upsetting the supply and demand balance - see above.
If it's all good, then let it happen everywhere, including plane tickets.

whats wrong with that.
that happens all the time
when you go to an event you pay extra for a beer or icream etc because supply is limited and there is high demand

the big cattle dealers with thousands of cattle control the price in the marts. they can drive the price up and down by buying and selling

Cordell · 21-08-2019 5:49pm

the_pen_turner wrote: »

whats wrong with that.
that happens all the time
when you go to an event you pay extra for a beer or icream etc because supply is limited and there is high demand

That is price gouging, not exactly ok but legal.

the_pen_turner wrote: »

the big cattle dealers with thousands of cattle control the price in the marts. they can drive the price up and down by buying and selling

Buying goods to drive the price up or dump them to drive it down, this, if properly investigated and proven, it's (usually) illegal.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-08-2019 6:32pm

Cordell wrote: »

That is price gouging, not exactly ok but legal.

Buying goods to drive the price up or dump them to drive it down, this, if properly investigated and proven, it's (usually) illegal.

Touts don’t set the price of the tickets. They are a tiny part of the entire market for any event. Limited by how many tickets are sold. They don’t bump up or dump tickets to cause a drop in prices. They don’t have that buying power.

It’s no diffferent from buying a share. They buy something initially priced at 80€ and as that price is too low relative to demand the real market price should be 100€ , so they sell at that.

Unpopular Opinions - OP Updated with Threadban List 4/5/21

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