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Allsop Auction

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    have Allsop scheduled another auction yet

    30th November according to this - http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭derealbadger


    zac8 wrote: »
    30th November according to this - http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/

    I think soon these will be so common that they wont have the big numbers or all the TV cameras at them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,209 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    Looking at a purchase I made at the first Allsop Auction, similar properties in the same city sold at the 2nd & 3rd auction aren't making the yield's that I (currently) am - Wonder is this a case of good value at the first auction, or just luck?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    JohnCleary wrote: »
    Looking at a purchase I made at the first Allsop Auction, similar properties in the same city sold at the 2nd & 3rd auction aren't making the yield's that I (currently) am - Wonder is this a case of good value at the first auction, or just luck?
    If you know what you're looking for, you'll probably get a good bargain. Seems some people didn't want to leave empty handed; these people will never get bargains.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,285 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    TheApophis wrote: »
    The Rte bulletin failed to stress the fact that 10 properties failed to sell at all – out of 74. In the 1st auction only 1/84 failed to sell and in the 2nd auction 4/87 didn’t sell. This says a lot about the direction the auctions will be going. My guess is the reserves will have to be lowered and made more realistic or else they could end up not selling 15+ properties in the next auction and that won’t look good from the Auctioneers point of view.

    The reason why 10 properties failed to sell in this auction- is that this auction was a new direction for Allsop. The previous auctions were predominantly repossessions/bank sales of BTL properties (with a smathering of commercial and other property types thrown in the mix). This was the first auction where private sellers were courted and offered the opportunity to dispose of their properties via the Allsop auction- doubtless on the strength that Allsop were almost singlehandedly the sole functioning auctioneer in the country- look at the cack results from Galway and Cork?

    So- they accepted properties from these private individuals- alongside the expectations that these private individuals had.

    Obviously the reserves and amb's were set at far too high a level to elicit interest in the property- and for this Allsop only have themselves to blame. Running an auction in Ireland *is not* the same as running one in the UK- and there is a significant measure of research and due dilligence needed on the part of the auctioneer, if they intend to shift the lots on the day.

    Personally I would suggest that the fact that 10 lots failed to sell, is a failure, and should be cause for a re-evaluation of the process for Allsop- either they invest the time and resources in convincing private sellers that their property has fallen by 60-70% (which in a lot of cases is true), and while they might get a better result on the day, not to expect it. Alternatively- they abondon private sellers, and stick with the disposals of repossessed and distressed properties- which is the area they are singularly good at.

    It really is the case that the Irish pre-occupation with property is a factor they never properly enumerated- when they started taking significant numbers of private sales. They are doing themselves no favours, and indeed tarnishing their image- if they continue down the road they've started, without significant revisions to their business plan......

    I'd love to know what excuse the owners of the 10 properties that failed to sell are telling themselves- I'm guessing its a blame game, and the banks are the villains of the day in their minds again- ordinary people being unable to get hold of finance to assist in a bidding frenzy.........

    Unfortunately we, as a people, really don't seem to learn........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,209 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/LotDetails.asp?A=749&MP=84&ID=749000020&S=L&O=A

    ^^ That bad boy in particular gives me a bit of a larf. Giving a yield of pretty much HALF of another Galway lot(s) at the first Allsop Auction.

    Are people losing the run of themselves, or are things looking up?! Let the speculators (lolz) decide....


  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭royaler83


    smccarrick wrote: »
    The reason why 10 properties failed to sell in this auction- is that this auction was a new direction for Allsop. The previous auctions were predominantly repossessions/bank sales of BTL properties (with a smathering of commercial and other property types thrown in the mix). This was the first auction where private sellers were courted and offered the opportunity to dispose of their properties via the Allsop auction- doubtless on the strength that Allsop were almost singlehandedly the sole functioning auctioneer in the country- look at the cack results from Galway and Cork?

    So- they accepted properties from these private individuals- alongside the expectations that these private individuals had.

    Obviously the reserves and amb's were set at far too high a level to elicit interest in the property- and for this Allsop only have themselves to blame. Running an auction in Ireland *is not* the same as running one in the UK- and there is a significant measure of research and due dilligence needed on the part of the auctioneer, if they intend to shift the lots on the day.

    Personally I would suggest that the fact that 10 lots failed to sell, is a failure, and should be cause for a re-evaluation of the process for Allsop- either they invest the time and resources in convincing private sellers that their property has fallen by 60-70% (which in a lot of cases is true), and while they might get a better result on the day, not to expect it. Alternatively- they abondon private sellers, and stick with the disposals of repossessed and distressed properties- which is the area they are singularly good at.

    It really is the case that the Irish pre-occupation with property is a factor they never properly enumerated- when they started taking significant numbers of private sales. They are doing themselves no favours, and indeed tarnishing their image- if they continue down the road they've started, without significant revisions to their business plan......

    I'd love to know what excuse the owners of the 10 properties that failed to sell are telling themselves- I'm guessing its a blame game, and the banks are the villains of the day in their minds again- ordinary people being unable to get hold of finance to assist in a bidding frenzy.........

    Unfortunately we, as a people, really don't seem to learn........

    Not saying you are wrong here but I rang Allsop shortly after the July auction enquiring about putting a house in an upcoming auction. The lady on the phone said that they were only dealing with distressed properties. etc. She said they were going to see how the Sept and Nov auction went before they'd decide to include private sellers.

    Maybe something changed in the mean time?!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Did Savills hold a firesale auction today or is it tomorrow.
    Heard a few weeks ago they were holding one at the end of September.:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭indiewindy


    washman3 wrote: »
    Did Savills hold a firesale auction today or is it tomorrow.
    Heard a few weeks ago they were holding one at the end of September.:confused:

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    washman3 wrote: »
    Did Savills hold a firesale auction today or is it tomorrow.
    Heard a few weeks ago they were holding one at the end of September.:confused:

    They cancelled it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Next Allsop Auction is 30th November 2011 at the Shelbourne


    http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/onlineCatalogue.asp


  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Spiritofthekop


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Next Allsop Auction is 30th November 2011 at the Shelbourne


    http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/onlineCatalogue.asp

    WOW...Have you ever seen such a collection of DROSS in all your life!

    Horrible list of properties!

    and what up with the address below...4 apartments up for grabs in the same tower block..is this the place that was full of problems that was in the papers..

    Dublin 1
    Apartment 433
    Block J
    Castleforbes Square
    Upper Mayor Street


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭el diablo


    WOW...Have you ever seen such a collection of DROSS in all your life!

    Horrible list of properties!

    and what up with the address below...4 apartments up for grabs in the same tower block..is this the place that was full of problems that was in the papers..

    Dublin 1
    Apartment 433
    Block J
    Castleforbes Square
    Upper Mayor Street


    Priory Hall?

    No.

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,441 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    WOW...Have you ever seen such a collection of DROSS in all your life!

    Horrible list of properties!

    and what up with the address below...4 apartments up for grabs in the same tower block..is this the place that was full of problems that was in the papers..

    Dublin 1
    Apartment 433
    Block J
    Castleforbes Square
    Upper Mayor Street

    'tis a Liam Carroll development and there were properties from it in each of the prior auctions; I assumed it was one of the non-Nama banks gently selling them off. I think the reserves have been falling but I haven't checked back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭indiewindy


    Marcusm wrote: »
    'tis a Liam Carroll development and there were properties from it in each of the prior auctions; I assumed it was one of the non-Nama banks gently selling them off. I think the reserves have been falling but I haven't checked back.
    Courtesy of our pals over on www.thepropertypin.com
    KOR101 wrote:
    I think the catalogue is very interesting.

    I'd say a few investors who put their money in Castleforbes apartments in previous auctions are feeling a bit quesy right now, especially those who bought the one beds.

    April
    1 Bed (reserve 100k, sale 99k)
    1 Bed (reserve 100k, sale 116k)
    1 Bed (reserve 100k, sale 129k) rent 10.8 (yield on reserve 10.8%, sale price 8.4%)
    2 Bed (reserve 140k, sale 140k) rent 13.8 (yield on reserve 9.9%, sale price 9.9%)
    2 Bed (reserve 140k, sale 165k) rent 13.2 (yield on reserve 9.4%, sale price 8%)
    2 Bed (reserve 140k, sale 161k)
    2 Bed (reserve 140k, sale 163k)

    July
    1 Bed (reserve 105k, sale 132k)
    1 bed (reserve 105k, sale 134k) rent 11.7 (yield on reserve 11.1%, sale price 8.7%)
    2 bed (reserve 142k, sale 148k)
    2 bed (reserve 142k, sale 145k) rent 13.2 (yield on reserve 9.3%, sale price 9.1%)

    November
    1 Bed (reserve 92.5k, sale ?) rent 10.2k (yield 11% on reserve)
    1 Bed (reserve 92.5k, sale ?) rent 10.8k (yield 11.7% on reserve)
    1 Bed (reserve 92.5k, sale ?) rent 10.8k (yield 11.7% on reserve)
    1 Bed (reserve 92.5k, sale ?) rent 11.1k (yield 12% on reserve)
    2 Bed (reserve 135k, sale ?) rent 12k (yield 8.9% on reserve)
    2 Bed (reserve 135k, sale ?) rent 12.6k (yield 9.3% on reserve)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    royaler83 wrote: »
    Not saying you are wrong here but I rang Allsop shortly after the July auction enquiring about putting a house in an upcoming auction. The lady on the phone said that they were only dealing with distressed properties. etc. She said they were going to see how the Sept and Nov auction went before they'd decide to include private sellers.

    Maybe something changed in the mean time?!


    So the auction on the 30th, are these repossesed homes? Nama Homes? Gingle Mail properties? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    The last three auctions have been mostly bank of scotland repossessions. Not sure if that's the case for this auction.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Next Allsop Auction is 30th November 2011 at the Shelbourne


    http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/onlineCatalogue.asp

    this auction is on today. Can we tune in on the net? any links?
    Might be interesting!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    ronan45 wrote: »
    this auction is on today. Can we tune in on the net? any links?
    Might be interesting!

    Their website formatting seems to be screwed up.

    This should be the link to the live feed - http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/video.asp

    You can also just follow the results here: http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/resultslive.asp


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    zac8 wrote: »
    Their website formatting seems to be screwed up.

    This should be the link to the live feed - http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/video.asp

    You can also just follow the results here: http://www.auction.co.uk/irish/resultslive.asp

    Merci Zac

    Start Times

    Single Session
    Auctioneer’s Announcements 10.45 a.m.
    Lot 1 not before 11.00 a.m.
    Has anyone seen one of these online auctions before? Do i need speakers or is it typed up on the screen?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1121/breaking24.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Merci Zac

    Start Times

    Single Session
    Auctioneer’s Announcements 10.45 a.m.
    Lot 1 not before 11.00 a.m.
    Has anyone seen one of these online auctions before? Do i need speakers or is it typed up on the screen?
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1121/breaking24.html

    If you're looking at the live feed you need speakers - there's no text summary. If you've no speakers you can follow the live results page which in the past has been fairly prompt. It's worth tuning in to see how the pros do it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭zac8


    Also there's this page to view the live bidding:

    http://www.realbid.co.uk/realbidIrish/gallery.asp


  • Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭Snazzy_Chazzy


    "Sits back and opens popcorn" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Penguino


    Can anyone see this, my link isn't working.

    Please post the working link

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭Penguino




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Lot 2 5 Corn Exchange Apartments, Burgh Quay, Dublin 2 €132,500 reserve was 120K

    Not a bad buy , City Centre location,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭wyndham


    Some interesting results. I take it the 4 bed apartment in Santry didn't make the €60k? Still listed as available. Was anybody there/watching live can confirm? Surely the rental yield on this would have been well into double digits?
    Lot 17 30th November 2011 Auction
    Reserve Price Not to Exceed €60,000
    Result: Available





    Santry
    Apartment 63 Hazelwood
    Northwood
    Co. Dublin



    A Leasehold Four Bedroom Apartment

    RESERVE NOT TO EXCEED €60,000

    Tenure


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    It went for €76k


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭RATM


    RasTa wrote: »
    It went for €76k

    Wow, assuming you can rent each room to DCU students for €350 per month x 4 = €1,400 rental income x 11 months = €15,400.

    That would give it a yield of approx 20%. If the new owner can rent it as above then he'll have his money back in 5 years and will still have a pre-tax income of €1,400.

    Pretty good investment IMO, we are finally seeing some value in the market.


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