Recommended construction companies for progression?

Revit Man · 08-06-2020 12:21pm

Agree with CBear.

RIAI... farce, they're afraid that architectural technologists (an honours degree third level course) might get a leg up over their architects and are guarding their protected title. Often leading to the ridiculous situation where the person who designed and drew a building cannot sign off on it, but somebody who's never seen it, can.

IEI... most of my colleagues don't know what they even do for them, our company pays their membership fees, but most think it pointless.

CBear1993 · 10-06-2020 12:21am

The whole things f*cked. Time to get back to college and get the f*ck out of this hole.

Soon we’ll see the dinosaurs in the next few years complaining that no young people are training to be construction professionals. Look what happened the trades

Skidfingers · 10-06-2020 8:17am

Would love to go back to San Diego (the lifestyle is unbelievable, so relaxed, Tijuana 40 mins, LA 2 hours and Vegas 45 min flight) working as a QS/estimator but getting sponsored would really be the problem. I think jobs aren't that easy come by and it would be even more difficult now to get a job and to even get into the country.

CBear1993 · 10-06-2020 7:43pm

Look up what project management / cost consultancies are based in San Diego and shoot an email to the director of that office. For instance T&T and those guys list who the director of the New York, Abu Dhabi Office is etc

Alf Veedersane · 11-06-2020 8:12am

Chartership only ever seemed to be relevant to include in tenders for work.

"Look at how many have a CEng".

Rarely influenced pay.

Skidfingers · 15-06-2020 7:11pm

Has anyone from QS into loss/claims assessors for insurance?

I remember when in college it was noted as a career opportunity but I completely forgot about it. I was on indeed earlier and saw a vacancy and they mentioned experience could include quantity surveying.

I wonder what the job and salary is like.

Skidfingers · 18-06-2020 3:17pm

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/construction-sector-will-enter-recession-next-year-sisk-ceo-39294324.html

Another reason to move.

Cheensbo · 18-06-2020 3:30pm

Skidfingers wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/construction-sector-will-enter-recession-next-year-sisk-ceo-39294324.html

Another reason to move.

Relaxation of working hours? Great, as if a salaried position in construction doesn't come with enough hours already.

CBear1993 · 18-06-2020 4:19pm

Skidfingers wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/construction-sector-will-enter-recession-next-year-sisk-ceo-39294324.html

Another reason to move.

Behind a paywall, anywhere you can get full article? Would rather piss €2.50 a week down a drain than give it to the Indo.

Tefral · 24-06-2020 10:07pm

Springboard courses up tomorrow lads.. might be worth looking to take on a course to move horizontally out?

https://springboardcourses.ie/

CBear1993 · 24-06-2020 11:29pm

Completely out is preferable

Skidfingers · 25-06-2020 8:27am

Anyone do any freelance QS work or work on the side for subbies or anything (take off's, estimates etc.)?

Wouldn't mind making a bit of cash on the side since I've a lot more free time now!

Kevhog1988 · 25-06-2020 3:02pm

Skidfingers wrote: »

Anyone do any freelance QS work or work on the side for subbies or anything (take off's, estimates etc.)?

Wouldn't mind making a bit of cash on the side since I've a lot more free time now!

Do a bit for the uncle alright. Negotiated a schedule of rate increase for him at xmas.

Skidfingers · 25-06-2020 3:11pm

Kevhog1988 wrote: »

Do a bit for the uncle alright. Negotiated a schedule of rate increase for him at xmas.

That's ideal. Would love to be making extra cash on the side or when I have free time during the day.

CBear1993 · 25-06-2020 3:12pm

You get some chancers ringing you up and boys trying not to pay you for your services in that game too, beware.

Kevhog1988 · 25-06-2020 4:26pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

You get some chancers ringing you up and boys trying not to pay you for your services in that game too, beware.

yeah ive been burned a few times alright. Had a lad ghost me after doing some work for him 2 years ago. Had never met him but saw him posting on a facebook group for selfbuilders and replied to him from there. I was at Ed sheeran a few months after and he was standing in front of me in the crowd lol.

screamer · 26-06-2020 6:48am

I know a couple of lads who went and changed to auctioneering. Not for evergone though. Most who got out went working for themselves as they’d setup a business on the side, some into general building others going it alone as. QS. Couple of others got jobs with a council. There’s no really easy way to get out without starting from scratch again being honest and for a lot of people that’s not feasible. The whole industry needs an overhaul, the professionals in construction are dogged, overworked, stressed and that’s just accepted as the way it is. Workers have mandated pay, shorter hours and a **** it down at 4.30 it’s home time. Why do the office workers get treated like **** and expected to work all the hours in the day, it’s a rotten industry.

CBear1993 · 26-06-2020 8:21am

screamer wrote: »

I know a couple of lads who went and changed to auctioneering. Not for evergone though. Most who got out went working for themselves as they’d setup a business on the side, some into general building others going it alone as. QS. Couple of others got jobs with a council. There’s no really easy way to get out without starting from scratch again being honest and for a lot of people that’s not feasible. The whole industry needs an overhaul, the professionals in construction are dogged, overworked, stressed and that’s just accepted as the way it is. Workers have mandated pay, shorter hours and a **** it down at 4.30 it’s home time. Why do the office workers get treated like **** and expected to work all the hours in the day, it’s a rotten industry.

Spot on

Girly Gal · 27-06-2020 9:25pm

screamer wrote: »

I know a couple of lads who went and changed to auctioneering. Not for evergone though. Most who got out went working for themselves as they’d setup a business on the side, some into general building others going it alone as. QS. Couple of others got jobs with a council. There’s no really easy way to get out without starting from scratch again being honest and for a lot of people that’s not feasible. The whole industry needs an overhaul, the professionals in construction are dogged, overworked, stressed and that’s just accepted as the way it is. Workers have mandated pay, shorter hours and a **** it down at 4.30 it’s home time. Why do the office workers get treated like **** and expected to work all the hours in the day, it’s a rotten industry.

Been on both sides of it; when I was worker onsite, used to see the engineers, QS etc come onsite, with the odd exception most lacked basic understanding of how the project was progressing or how to solve any problems which came up.
Then as a project engineer was expected to work long hours on **** pay with alot of responsibility. Of the 2, working onsite definitely had better job satisfaction, but, conditions onsite could be very tough at times. Project engineer obviously opens up more opportunities and chance to get on the really big bucks, but, I found there was little job satisfaction in it for me.
The construction industry as a whole needs a complete overhaul as workers onsite and office based are treated poorly.

Bagels4me · 28-06-2020 12:04am

I work for a main contractor in the uk, the QS / design team are out the door at 4.30 / 5pm, they don't look to stressed either, busy yes.
Tbh qs looks like a handy job, but reading some of the stories in here maybe not!
Has anybody here worked for contractors in the uk and ireland?
This Craic of working big hours on salary is nonsense, fair enough if your working on something urgent but not all the time

CBear1993 · 28-06-2020 1:40am

Bagels4me wrote: »

I work for a main contractor in the uk, the QS / design team are out the door at 4.30 / 5pm, they don't look to stressed either, busy yes.
Tbh qs looks like a handy job, but reading some of the stories in here maybe not!
Has anybody here worked for contractors in the uk and ireland?
This Craic of working big hours on salary is nonsense, fair enough if your working on something urgent but not all the time

The English run their construction industry far better, a thing a lot of irish people will never admit. Yes it’s true that “the Irish build London” bla bla bla all that historic crap. That’s Cos us greedy bast*rds came in and did it cheaper than anyone else.
Irish contractors ruin the market in England. I’ve been over before in the midlands and you hate to see them coming.

Tefral · 29-06-2020 11:25am

Bagels4me wrote: »

I work for a main contractor in the uk, the QS / design team are out the door at 4.30 / 5pm, they don't look to stressed either, busy yes.
Tbh qs looks like a handy job, but reading some of the stories in here maybe not!
Has anybody here worked for contractors in the uk and ireland?
This Craic of working big hours on salary is nonsense, fair enough if your working on something urgent but not all the time

I worked in London. Mental hours there too...

I tried to explain something to a friend of mine yesterday when he asked "hows work".

My answer was as follows: "Imagine standing at the door of a building you are trying to protect and there is fire coming in the door and the windows from outside. I am the guy standing there with a small fire extinguisher running between the doors and the windows trying to keep the flames back"

Being a QS is akin to running around with a giant bullseye on your back and everyone else has darts and its your job to run around and not get hit in the bullseye.

CBear1993 · 30-06-2020 9:52am

Here’s the attitude towards the title of this thread for you -

Mentioned to a few of the directors / high up lads in my construction firm yesterday that I was going to do a postgrad / further study through springboard to get out of construction. It was just an open conversation environment in the kitchen.

I’d say 3 of them are on salaries of about €150K, in their late 40s/early 50s , all various directors, and they immediately laughed it off. Their comments were - “sure what would you do that for? No one ever asks anything about college courses”
“Jeezzz I wouldn’t recommend going back near college, sure it’s only a certificate, it’s as good as the piece of paper it’s written on”
“People look for experience not letters before your name, upto you if you want to put yourself through hell in the evenings outside of work for a year”
“All those colleges want is money, with a fake promise of a job at the end which they offer no support in getting, if it was that good they’d get you one when you sign up”

They know I don’t enjoy QS’ and just always refer to “sure none of us like what we’re at, you just keep at it and once you get high enough you do very little anyway, it’s the money lad!!”

I couldn’t believe it!! Maybe just the older generation’s attitude? Bear in mind I’m nearly 95% sure that all of them would have done some form of level 8 degree at some point 25+ years ago.....

Mental!!!

onrail · 30-06-2020 3:29pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Here’s the attitude towards the title of this thread for you -

Mentioned to a few of the directors / high up lads in my construction firm yesterday that I was going to do a postgrad / further study through springboard to get out of construction. It was just an open conversation environment in the kitchen.

I’d say 3 of them are on salaries of about €150K, in their late 40s/early 50s , all various directors, and they immediately laughed it off. Their comments were - “sure what would you do that for? No one ever asks anything about college courses”
“Jeezzz I wouldn’t recommend going back near college, sure it’s only a certificate, it’s as good as the piece of paper it’s written on”
“People look for experience not letters before your name, upto you if you want to put yourself through hell in the evenings outside of work for a year”
“All those colleges want is money, with a fake promise of a job at the end which they offer no support in getting, if it was that good they’d get you one when you sign up”

They know I don’t enjoy QS’ and just always refer to “sure none of us like what we’re at, you just keep at it and once you get high enough you do very little anyway, it’s the money lad!!”

I couldn’t believe it!! Maybe just the older generation’s attitude? Bear in mind I’m nearly 95% sure that all of them would have done some form of level 8 degree at some point 25+ years ago.....

Mental!!!

If it’s any consolation - the money in QS seems a fair bit better than civil engineering!

CBear1993 · 30-06-2020 3:37pm

onrail wrote: »

If it’s any consolation - the money in QS seems a fair bit better than civil engineering!

Maybe in some cases but the poster above my last described it perfectly, not worth it at all. Sometimes on a project as a QS it appears that everyone including your own team is against you.

CBear1993 · 03-07-2020 5:56pm

Anyone competed -

L9 Postgraduate Certificate in BIM and Lean Construction Management through IT Sligo (1 year)
https://www.itsligo.ie/courses/certificate-bim-lean-construction-management-online/

OR

L9 Postgraduate Certificate in BIM Technologies through TU Dublin (1 year)
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8270

??

On a side note I see in January TU Dublin are starting these 2 construction courses - I'd rather start one now in September rather than wait to January 2021, but the first one in particular looks interesting:

Postgraduate Certificate in Digital Construction Analytics / Engineering Analytics
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8273

BSc (Hons) in BIM (Digital Construction)
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8246

Skidfingers · 06-07-2020 10:39am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Anyone competed -

L9 Postgraduate Certificate in BIM and Lean Construction Management through IT Sligo (1 year)
https://www.itsligo.ie/courses/certificate-bim-lean-construction-management-online/

OR

L9 Postgraduate Certificate in BIM Technologies through TU Dublin (1 year)
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8270

??

On a side note I see in January TU Dublin are starting these 2 construction courses - I'd rather start one now in September rather than wait to January 2021, but the first one in particular looks interesting:

Postgraduate Certificate in Digital Construction Analytics / Engineering Analytics
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8273

BSc (Hons) in BIM (Digital Construction)
https://springboardcourses.ie/details/8246

It's probably difficult to get accepted into these courses if in full time employment? And the chance of being offered a place is probably very slim?

mariaalice · 06-07-2020 2:18pm

Would you not become a barrister and then get into arbitration.

Tefral · 06-07-2020 3:26pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Would you not become a barrister and then get into arbitration.

I am seriously considering this..

CBear1993 · 06-07-2020 5:33pm

Would that not take at least 5-6 years? As in going back and doing the undergrad course and then all the exams that follow?

CBear1993 · 08-07-2020 2:53pm

Got a random call off of LinkedIn from Linesight internal recruiter- any reviews on them?

They get a fair bit of slagging from other consultancies and contractors in Dublin but I have to say I haven't heard that many bad reports.
I've a friend with them as a cost manager (QS) in Sydney and he loves it. Same goes for a planner here in Dublin. They've jobs all over the globe.

I said I'm not really looking at the minute to be honest but the money they were offering over the phone was €10-15K more, not sure how they can just throw that at you over the phone without even asking about your background??

All these promises of "data centres and life science projects won't be going anywhere", to be fair they haven't done any job cuts from what I hear, so maybe there is some truth in it.

In Dublin here it's a few data centres for the usual big american clients, abroad you can go anywhere. Mind you it wasn't the attractive options on their website of San Francisco etc, it was Malmo in Sweden at a mental high salary, no thanks. Money isn't everything!

Kevhog1988 · 08-07-2020 3:51pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Got a random call off of LinkedIn from Linesight internal recruiter- any reviews on them?

They get a fair bit of slagging from other consultancies and contractors in Dublin but I have to say I haven't heard that many bad reports.
I've a friend with them as a cost manager (QS) in Sydney and he loves it. Same goes for a planner here in Dublin. They've jobs all over the globe.

I said I'm not really looking at the minute to be honest but the money they were offering over the phone was €10-15K more, not sure how they can just throw that at you over the phone without even asking about your background??

All these promises of "data centres and life science projects won't be going anywhere", to be fair they haven't done any job cuts from what I hear, so maybe there is some truth in it.

In Dublin here it's a few data centres for the usual big american clients, abroad you can go anywhere. Mind you it wasn't the attractive options on their website of San Francisco etc, it was Malmo in Sweden at a mental high salary, no thanks. Money isn't everything!

Sweden doesnt look a bad spot tbh

CBear1993 · 08-07-2020 8:23pm

Depends what part I’d imagine ? This was for malmo outside Stockholm. I think it would be fairly grim in the winter or for half of the year basically.

Had a few friends done data centres in the north and said it was dark for most of the day and wasn’t great for the ole SAD in winter. Plus the Swedes weren’t too open to integration. But that’s only their experience

Tefral · 11-07-2020 1:51pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Got a random call off of LinkedIn from Linesight internal recruiter- any reviews on them?

They get a fair bit of slagging from other consultancies and contractors in Dublin but I have to say I haven't heard that many bad reports.
I've a friend with them as a cost manager (QS) in Sydney and he loves it. Same goes for a planner here in Dublin. They've jobs all over the globe.

I said I'm not really looking at the minute to be honest but the money they were offering over the phone was €10-15K more, not sure how they can just throw that at you over the phone without even asking about your background??

All these promises of "data centres and life science projects won't be going anywhere", to be fair they haven't done any job cuts from what I hear, so maybe there is some truth in it.

In Dublin here it's a few data centres for the usual big american clients, abroad you can go anywhere. Mind you it wasn't the attractive options on their website of San Francisco etc, it was Malmo in Sweden at a mental high salary, no thanks. Money isn't everything!

A friend of mine is a director with them. Great company by all accounts.

CBear1993 · 18-07-2020 1:12pm

Most of this thread was bad reports from people on main contractor side or subcontractor, or trades.

Haven’t heard too many from client side or consultancy - the few that did seemed reasonably happy in consultancy? The wages for consultancy roles in construction as cost manager / PM are as good as contractor nowadays to be honest

onrail · 18-07-2020 5:09pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Most of this thread was bad reports from people on main contractor side or subcontractor, or trades.

Haven’t heard too many from client side or consultancy - the few that did seemed reasonably happy in consultancy? The wages for consultancy roles in construction as cost manager / PM are as good as contractor nowadays to be honest

Civil engineer in a Multinational consultancy. Pay is terrible, but mainly because I’m based on Northern Ireland.
When compared to other companies in the same game, conditions are probably similar if not slightly better - it’s the industry that wrecks my head more so than my employer

CBear1993 · 18-07-2020 9:55pm

Would you not get work down the country surely? Yeah that’s true, could work for the best firm with all the perks but at the end of the day you’re still in construction, and have to deal with with the 90% of w*nkers it’s made up of

CBear1993 · 29-07-2020 1:43am

Could any of the experienced heads on here advise what should I be trying to negotiate in to the offer of employment on top of salary? I am considering moving consultancy side having been contractor, had a short stint in it before and liked it

I am happy with the salary. It is the perks and benefits I am wondering what is best to try squeeze in or I should be asking for.

I am HOPING the hours stated (8-5) will be all that is required this time. I have a friend with them abroad, and one in Dublin who say they are decent enough for regular hours, odd late night.

last few companies I’ve been in it’s actually been frowned upon if you leave on time, which I detested.

I’m also self employed in my current role(contracted in so it’s great for tax, will be hard to go back to PAYE) , didn’t even think it was worth mentioning to them as they’re a company with offices around the world, probably 500+ staff. So PAYE is standard as I’ve a few friends works with them,..

Anyway - I asked the benefits today of the HR manager.

- 21 days leave, no mention of in lieu/buying holidays. I’d imagine if you need additional you’ll have to request as unpaid.

-Pension contributions, If you pay 4%, they pay 5%... and so on
-10% contribution towards laya or vhi (Prob won’t bother to be honest)
- No mention of travel expenses. Although I will be working remotely until Xmas at least and then only a 20-25 min drive away each way to site where I’ll be based at clients office. I will pass through tolls on M50.
And on days I have to go to head office in city which could be a lot for the first while to get up to speed,then 2-3 a week, I’ll be using luas/bus/train.

Nothing else really, no EAP.
Will get a laptop and phone . Although I don’t want the phone as I’ll just use my current number, I hate the second phone craic with work .

In my current job I’ve been using a standing desk for the last year and it’s been life changing, I have one at home also.. But I don’t want to come across as an absolute c#nt asking for something like that in office, which will prob make me stand out like a sore thumb, couldn’t see them doing it, even though they’re relatively low cost to a firm the size of them. Was thinking if I don’t ask I won’t get, and now is the time to...

Anything else? I’m well aware that other companies have a whole host of benefits which would make me insanely jealous. The salary is decent though

My notice period is 4 weeks which brings me up to end of august / start September. I have a holiday with my partner sept 10th for 10 days.Should I request to defer starting to after 20th sept or could this put employment Offer in jeopardy?

Kevhog1988 · 29-07-2020 10:33am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Could any of the experienced heads on here advise what should I be trying to negotiate in to the offer of employment on top of salary? I am considering moving consultancy side having been contractor, had a short stint in it before and liked it

I am happy with the salary. It is the perks and benefits I am wondering what is best to try squeeze in or I should be asking for.

I am HOPING the hours stated (8-5) will be all that is required this time. I have a friend with them abroad, and one in Dublin who say they are decent enough for regular hours, odd late night.

last few companies I’ve been in it’s actually been frowned upon if you leave on time, which I detested.

I’m also self employed in my current role(contracted in so it’s great for tax, will be hard to go back to PAYE) , didn’t even think it was worth mentioning to them as they’re a company with offices around the world, probably 500+ staff. So PAYE is standard as I’ve a few friends works with them,..

Anyway - I asked the benefits today of the HR manager.

- 21 days leave, no mention of in lieu/buying holidays. I’d imagine if you need additional you’ll have to request as unpaid.

-Pension contributions, If you pay 4%, they pay 5%... and so on
-10% contribution towards laya or vhi (Prob won’t bother to be honest)
- No mention of travel expenses. Although I will be working remotely until Xmas at least and then only a 20-25 min drive away each way to site where I’ll be based at clients office. I will pass through tolls on M50.
And on days I have to go to head office in city which could be a lot for the first while to get up to speed,then 2-3 a week, I’ll be using luas/bus/train.

Nothing else really, no EAP.
Will get a laptop and phone . Although I don’t want the phone as I’ll just use my current number, I hate the second phone craic with work .

In my current job I’ve been using a standing desk for the last year and it’s been life changing, I have one at home also.. But I don’t want to come across as an absolute c#nt asking for something like that in office, which will prob make me stand out like a sore thumb, couldn’t see them doing it, even though they’re relatively low cost to a firm the size of them. Was thinking if I don’t ask I won’t get, and now is the time to...

Anything else? I’m well aware that other companies have a whole host of benefits which would make me insanely jealous. The salary is decent though

My notice period is 4 weeks which brings me up to end of august / start September. I have a holiday with my partner sept 10th for 10 days.Should I request to defer starting to after 20th sept or could this put employment Offer in jeopardy?

Any bonus scheme?. Sounds good other than that. I have always tried negotiate a fuel card or van and fuel card into my contracts.

CBear1993 · 29-07-2020 11:07am

Would doubt they do company cars to be honest but maybe worth mentioning mileage or tolls anyway!

Kevhog1988 · 29-07-2020 1:50pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Would doubt they do company cars to be honest but maybe worth mentioning mileage or tolls anyway!

If there is a chance of a vehicle try get a van as theres no bik

CBear1993 · 29-07-2020 3:03pm

Yeah good shout.

Are companies in any way obligated to do 6 month / yearly reviews and salary increases? Or is it all performance based

Recommended construction companies for progression?

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