General Rugby Discussion II

kuang1 · 18-09-2019 1:49pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here is one of the messages that is floating around. Again - I'm not sure if this breaches the charter but it is all over the internet. Remove if not appropriate.

I giggled at the "laundering money through his café"

Only a matter of time before someone claims to have seen a blood spatter in said café.

Christy42 · 18-09-2019 2:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

On a more cheery note and pure random general comments (because this is getting depressing), my little lad is starting his first training session this Saturday.

No amount of RWC will tempt me away from that

Get the tape off to Joe, with all the injury talk going around there may be a call up in the next few weeks if they hit the ground running!

joseywhales · 18-09-2019 4:04pm

Such specific bets would raise a flag to begin with. Linking different accounts on website or finding out the owner of a business is not hard. There are behavior patterns on the site, betting patterns, location timestamps and after all that there are private investigators, how on Earth did he think he would get away with it?

kuang1 · 18-09-2019 4:24pm

joseywhales wrote: »

Such specific bets would raise a flag to begin with. Linking different accounts on website or finding out the owner of a business is not hard. There are behavior patterns on the site, betting patterns, location timestamps and after all that there are private investigators, how on Earth did he think he would get away with it?

Purely speculation on my part, but if he's a gambling addict, then thoughts of getting away with it would be over ridden by the impulse to gamble.

That's fairly strongly contradicted by the preemptive element that seems to be in play here though.

Really hard to know how he came make such decisions. I mean he's got a good career, hardly on the breadline or anything.

NeonWolf · 20-09-2019 9:33am

Rumours going around that the Howley thing goes much deeper with more people involved within the camp.

Captain_Crash · 20-09-2019 10:11am

NeonWolf wrote: »

Rumours going around that the Howley thing goes much deeper with more people involved within the camp.

I’ve read this on another forum too! It could be huge by all accounts

Quin_Dub · 20-09-2019 10:55am

NeonWolf wrote: »

Rumours going around that the Howley thing goes much deeper with more people involved within the camp.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve read this on another forum too! It could be huge by all accounts

Is it being suggested that players are involved?

NeonWolf · 20-09-2019 11:17am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve read this on another forum too! It could be huge by all accounts

Weakened teams picked intentionally and worse....

20-09-2019 11:27am

NeonWolf wrote: »

Weakened teams picked intentionally and worse....

That's entering territory where Gatland could be involved. That's a huge accusation. It would potentially be the biggest scandal in rugby history.

20-09-2019 11:37am

Nah, they just want an excuse for their sh1te performances against Ireland

Exclamation Marc · 20-09-2019 11:51am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nah, they just want an excuse for their sh1te performances against Ireland

It'll be Ireland's fault by the end of the story due to be Paddy Power being an Irish entity :pac:

Captain_Crash · 20-09-2019 1:24pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is it being suggested that players are involved?

All I’ve read is that more than Howley is/was involved! Players or coaches I don’t know! We may see from the teams demeanor when they play on Monday! Will it impact their performance (they’ll still win)

Gamb!t · 20-09-2019 1:57pm

I was tempted to throw a few quid on Wales to win it but not so sure now,what a mess.

stephen_n · 21-09-2019 10:33am

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That's entering territory where Gatland could be involved. That's a huge accusation. It would potentially be the biggest scandal in rugby history.

Not if it goes back to when Gatland was with the lions. If Gatland or any players get pulled into this, then that’s Wales World Cup over and done.

chewed · 21-09-2019 10:44am

NZ and SA national anthems.....the most boring in the world? The match hasn't even started and I'm slowly drifting off.

galwaylad14 · 21-09-2019 11:16am

Quick question, I’m watching this morning and enjoying it but would I be right in saying that all the best teams in each pool play each other this weekend? So does that basically mean there won’t be another meaningful game for nearly a month?

And since 2 teams come through each group does it not mean basically every big team bar 1 team from England’s are guaranteed to get through? So the proper games don’t really start until the quarter finals?

The Lost Sheep · 21-09-2019 11:17am

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Quick question, I’m watching this morning and enjoying it but would I be right in saying that all the best teams in each pool play each other this weekend? So does that basically mean there won’t be another meaningful game for nearly a month?

And since 2 teams come through each group does it not mean basically every big team bar 1 team from England’s are guaranteed to get through? So the proper games don’t really start until the quarter finals?

Australia Wales next weekend and quite a lot more....

galwaylad14 · 21-09-2019 11:22am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Australia Wales next weekend and quite a lot more....

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

irishbucsfan · 21-09-2019 11:26am

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

Finishing top of the group is normally quite important.

And England still have to play France/Argentina

The Lost Sheep · 21-09-2019 11:28am

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

Maybe.
What do you do? It isnt better for sport to drop to 16. Sport cant be closing off numbers and Finishing top of pool is quite important
England still have France, Argentina to play

guapos · 21-09-2019 12:20pm

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

kuang1 · 21-09-2019 12:35pm

guapos wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

Simple and brilliant.

Hermy · 21-09-2019 2:31pm

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Ya but they’re both guaranteed to get out of the group are they not? Just seems a bit wasteful to have to play so many games to just get rid of 1 good team and 10 or 11 terrible ones

A world cup [in any sport] isn't just about getting rid of the weaker teams.

For those teams aiming to go all the way it's about being able to maintain form, fitness and focus for the duration of the tournament.

thomond2006 · 21-09-2019 3:51pm

guapos wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gloucesterrugby/status/1175348470934384641?s=09

Great idea from Gloucetser, fans who have left their seats will have to wait for a break in play to be able to get back into their seat

I want to thank this 1,000 times.

The Aviva would be so much better with this policy.

Squidgy Black · 21-09-2019 9:14pm

Paddy Jackson picked up his first cap for London Irish today, got about 30 minutes off the bench for Myler and kicked a conversion. Went well enough, he'll be fighting an uphill battle to displace Myler from the starting jersey who has a lot of Premiership experience and is a reliable option.

21-09-2019 9:37pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Paddy Jackson picked up his first cap for London Irish today, got about 30 minutes off the bench for Myler and kicked a conversion. Went well enough, he'll be fighting an uphill battle to displace Myler from the starting jersey who has a lot of Premiership experience and is a reliable option.

Jackson is a better outhalf. Even when Myler was at his best he was a limited enough player, Jackson was putting in performances against South Africa before circumstances over took him.

I'd be very surprised if there was much of a competition there.

pickarooney · 21-09-2019 10:06pm

chewed wrote: »

NZ and SA national anthems.....the most boring in the world? The match hasn't even started and I'm slowly drifting off.

SA is a decent number. Miles better than GSTQ anyway

Squidgy Black · 21-09-2019 10:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jackson is a better outhalf. Even when Myler was at his best he was a limited enough player, Jackson was putting in performances against South Africa before circumstances over took him.

I'd be very surprised if there was much of a competition there.

He is, but he also hasn't played consistent rugby since 2017, his time in Perpignan was fairly brutal albeit playing with a poor team. Myler started 9 games last season for them though, he's not exactly a top level outhalf but I would say he's definitely capable of managing a game for them and knows the systems a bit better.

Podge_irl · 22-09-2019 1:16am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He is, but he also hasn't played consistent rugby since 2017, his time in Perpignan was fairly brutal albeit playing with a poor team. Myler started 9 games last season for them though, he's not exactly a top level outhalf but I would say he's definitely capable of managing a game for them and knows the systems a bit better.

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

Dog Botherer · 22-09-2019 3:08am

Podge_irl wrote: »

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

He was absolutely useless in Perpignan, but so was everyone else.

Jackson hasn’t shown anything near Pro14 standard rugby in 2 years, never mind international standard. Myler was solid if unspectacular at his peak, and he’s long past that. LI are taking a punt on both really. Madigan probably would have been a much better signing.

22-09-2019 12:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

On a more cheery note and pure random general comments (because this is getting depressing), my little lad is starting his first training session this Saturday.

No amount of RWC will tempt me away from that

Well he absolutely loved it, came off the pitch beaming and saying how great it was.

I still feel a bit dirty standing in Cork Con though, I better get over that

22-09-2019 12:29pm

Dog Botherer wrote: »

He was absolutely useless in Perpignan, but so was everyone else.

Jackson hasn’t shown anything near Pro14 standard rugby in 2 years, never mind international standard. Myler was solid if unspectacular at his peak, and he’s long past that. LI are taking a punt on both really. Madigan probably would have been a much better signing.

Jackson is, understandably, messed in the head.

A season of, hopefully, just good rugby and his form should improve.

Squidgy Black · 22-09-2019 12:44pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

He can know the systems all he wants. That will help him for a couple months tops - Jackson is in a different league as far as outhalves go. I didn't follow him in Perpignan to be fair, so not really sure of the ins and outs of it, but he was the best 10 Ireland have had not named Sexton in the last 6 years.

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

shootermacg · 22-09-2019 12:48pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

Sorry I gave up on Jackson after this monstrosity.

ScrubsfanChris · 22-09-2019 1:49pm

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Well he absolutely loved it, came off the pitch beaming and saying how great it was.

I still feel a bit dirty standing in Cork Con though, I better get over that

At least you can admit it.
And you're not one of those parents who just wants to tell everyone little Timmy plays for Con :pac:

Is it your closest club?

22-09-2019 3:01pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

At least you can admit it.
And you're not one of those parents who just wants to tell everyone little Timmy plays for Con :pac:

Is it your closest club?

Closest senior club, with the good coach to kid ratio and facilities that come with it.
Fermoy would be my closest but I'm originally from the city so know nobody there. I already know one of the Con Mini coaches, from college team, and other members generally.
Takes an extra 10 minutes to get there Vs Fermoy.

The options were Con/Douglas/Sunday's Well (I played with the latter 2) but Con just a bit closer.

Pity St. Mary's is out of commuting range

(that club is the only thing I miss, from my time in Dublin)

Podge_irl · 22-09-2019 3:33pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

He was a non-entity in Perpignan. Granted the pack was constantly on the back foot, and was surrounded by players who didn't care, but his appearances were pretty much those of someone just going through the motions, apart from the first game against Racing. He's very much an unknown commodity since the legal situation, he definitely has the skill there to be a top-flight outhalf, but it's still to be seen over the last two years.

He was out of rugby for a year and then went into a team who were falling apart. Obviously he may not re-capture his form, but even if he doesn't reach the heights he did before he is a better outhalf than Myler by a long, long way so he doesn't need to hit 100%.

As to Madigan, he has no real excuses for his performances and they've seen him benched. I think he would have had a better career as a 12/15.

errlloyd · 22-09-2019 3:44pm

The Perpignan team may have been falling to bits, and that may have made their first choice outhalf look bad. But the real damning part of his year is that he wasn't first choice from mid season onwards. The other guy has the same pack and the same team in meltdown.

22-09-2019 4:17pm

errlloyd wrote: »

But the real damning part of his year is that he wasn't first choice from mid season onwards. The other guy has the same pack and the same team in meltdown.

Think he'd largely signalled his intention to move on at that stage, not unusual for a club to give gametime priority to the player they'll be likely holding onto.

Bazzo · 22-09-2019 10:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think he'd largely signalled his intention to move on at that stage, not unusual for a club to give gametime priority to the player they'll be likely holding onto.

Yeah I may be misremembering but pretty sure he was axed after his intention to move on became public. He was getting grief off Perpignan fans around the same time.

RobbieRuns · 23-09-2019 12:03pm

If he was in a bad team in France, it will be much the same in London. Relegation still a big threat for them. Jackson (I believe) is a marquee player on big money, so of course he will play. Madigan would never have been an option as he is under contract with Bristol.

Big risk by Kidney signing him though. Kidney and Jackson both have a bit to prove.

Bridge93 · 23-09-2019 7:50pm

So it seemed Israel Folau was to return to rugby league and play with Tonga but now it isn’t so certain he’ll be allowed to

ScrubsfanChris · 23-09-2019 10:40pm

Bridge93 wrote: »

So it seemed Israel Folau was to return to rugby league and play with Tonga but now it isn’t so certain he’ll be allowed to

He'd fit in quite well over there :rolleyes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Tonga

Squidgy Black · 24-09-2019 5:59pm

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zlMVu9CXgqk&feature=youtu.be#dialog

Short documentary on Rodney Ah-You, well worth a watch.

thomond2006 · 25-09-2019 9:22am

Fri 7:45pm Ulster vs Ospreys - Eir

Sat 5:45am Argentina vs Tonga - Eir
Sat 8:15am Japan vs Ireland - RTE/Eir
Sat 10:45am South Africa vs Namibia - Eir
Sat 3pm Munster vs Dragons - TG4/Eir
Sat 5:15pm Scarlets vs Connacht - TG4
Sat 5:15pm Benetton vs Leinster - Eir

Sun 6:15am Georgia vs Uruguay - Eir
Sun 8:45am Australia vs Wales - Eir

Pace yourselves.

ScrubsfanChris · 25-09-2019 11:32am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Pace yourselves.

Russian Grand Prix...
NFL Sunday...

Saturday Morning

Sunday Night

25-09-2019 11:36am

Cheika and now Hansen, the prevalence of Social Media will shine a light more and more on the cheat merchants. No team will be immune but the dark masters are the ones making noise.

https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/hansen-slams-trial-by-social-media/?fbclid=IwAR16z_KNIpd0rRA-PUAjj2U0iBAaceK3XVy73jckjen8LfmLWDiu6GlVVpg

thomond2006 · 25-09-2019 1:14pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Russian Grand Prix...
NFL Sunday...

Saturday Morning

Sunday Night

Vikings @ Bears 9:25pm Sunday.
Monday will be rough.

sydthebeat · 25-09-2019 3:47pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9988123/england-rugby-steffon-armitage-guilty-sexually-assaulting-woman-france/

i havent seen this mentioned anywhere but steffon armitage in trouble :

A FORMER England rugby player has been handed a suspended sentence after being found guilty of groping a woman outside a bar in France.
A court today handed the former flanker a suspended sentence for six months. He was also ordered to pay the victim 5,000 euros (£4,400) compensation.

blackwhite · 25-09-2019 5:08pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/9988123/england-rugby-steffon-armitage-guilty-sexually-assaulting-woman-france/

i havent seen this mentioned anywhere but steffon armitage in trouble :

I wonder is that going to impact on his ability to get a visa to play in San Diego next year?

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