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Irish Google Exec Reveal Plan to Prevent A Trump situation in 2020

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    #32
    King of Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Don't Project Veritas have a long and extremely shady history of creating heavily edited and very misleading videos?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/29/project-veritas-how-fake-news-prize-went-to-rightwing-group-beloved-by-trump

    I'd wait until there's evidence from a source that isn't entirely discredited.

    Yet everytime veritas has had to fight in court they won.

    The guardian is a joke. They used to stand for something but now the agenda matters mote than the truth.

    People moaning about the video are odd the googles said what they said .there is no hiding this


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    #33
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Yes, we need to stop people having incorrect opinions.
    Only political parties/politicians approved by Mega Tech should be allowed any power.

    Where did I say that?

    as it happens people shouldn't have stupid opinions. The best way to do that is to make sure they are well informed and don't have false information.

    The majority of flat earthers learned about flat earth theories on youtube and facebook. They get sucked down the rabbit hole and start believing that crap. Flat earth is relatively harmless. You have stuff like the comet pizza conspiracy theory which led to an armed man entering a pizza restaurant and demanding to see where the trapped children were.

    And then there's anti vaxxers who have cost childrens lives.


    And that's all besides what is mentioned in the video I posted which is foreign governments and political parties buying ads on social media to target swing voters. people were targeted with fake facts. They were shown information which is patently false in order to swing their votes and we still don't know who paid for a lot of it. That's wrong. people should only be given accurate information and we should especially be wary of a foreign government or a political group using dark money to swing elections in their favor.
    That fact that someone like you seems to be ok with foreign interference in an election is nuts. It shows how far down the rabbit hole you've gone.

    And if you think that Carol Cadwalladrs point (Or mine for that matter) was that big tech should get to decide, you're way off the point. The point is that these tech companies took money from anyone who was willing to pay without caring who they were or what the message was. We need regulations to stop that.


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    #34
    NaFirinne
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭NaFirinne


    I think everyone should be watching the actions of All the internet giants... It's quite obvious they are working towards a political agenda and silencing anyone who doesn't have their political ideals.

    This is very dangerous, might be conservatives now....and people seem to be fine with that...but what happens when it starts to effect more and more people, until you have basically one voice that is allowed to speak and everyone else is silent.

    People should start moving away from these platforms and developing more open platforms that cater towards free speech and discussion of all issues from all perspectives.


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    #35
    srsly78
    Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    NaFirinne wrote: »

    People should start moving away from these platforms and developing more open platforms that cater towards free speech and discussion of all issues from all perspectives.


    This was tried, and the open platforms just ended up full of child porn and nazis. Suddenly people were screaming for them to be censored.


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    #36
    King of Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    srsly78 wrote: »
    This was tried, and the open platforms just ended up full of child porn and nazis. Suddenly people were screaming for them to be censored.

    What really happened was groups like paypal and stripe wouldnt process payments from the alternatives to google/fb etc...so people could earn monies from their content.

    Proof of a tech cartel to keep the status quo.


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    #37
    King of Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    srsly78 wrote: »
    This was tried, and the open platforms just ended up full of child porn and nazis. Suddenly people were screaming for them to be censored.

    What really happened was groups like paypal and stripe wouldnt process payments from the alternatives to google/fb etc...so people could not earn money from their content.

    Proof of a tech cartel


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    #38
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    I once saw a youtube interview with 'Bono' acknowledging his deals in Africa and how he profits....wasn't even Bono. A dodgy handheld effort with a even dodgier look a like.
    The height being the fox broadcast video edited to look like the CNN reporter chopped the wrist of the WH intern.


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    #39
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,133 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    King of Kings wrote: »
    Yet everytime veritas has had to fight a court they won.

    The guardian is a joke. They used to stand for something but now the agenda matters mote than the truth.

    People moaning about the video are odd the googles said there is no hiding this

    No they haven't. They've settled or been found guilty quite a few times.


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    #40
    Boxing.Fan
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭Boxing.Fan


    Stasi B*stards.


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    #41
    NaFirinne
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭NaFirinne


    Probably should be in conspiracy theories forum - but does anyone get the impression that all these tech giants are in league with each other so they can basically take over societies and maybe in time become like a corporate dictatorship. Even going as far as you have to go through them to buy and sell things.


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    #42
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    NaFirinne wrote: »
    Probably should be in conspiracy theories forum - but does anyone get the impression that all these tech giants are in league with each other so they can't basically take over societies and maybe in time become like a corporate dictatorship. Even going as far as you have to go through them to buy and sell things.

    Years ago you would have been discarded as a conspiracy theory lunatic. Now that is highly likely. Its not by accident that the people who own,manage and work at these tech companies have the same political agendas [while finger pointing lecturing us on being open minded, tolerant and inclusive] They ban anybody that doesn't conform to their agenda [while calling everyone fascist]

    Shadow Banning, De-platforming is the modern day book burning.


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    #43
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    I wish we could go back to the nihilistic era of the internet, where platform providers acted as entirely passive parties to discussion, simply provided open platforms and didn't concern themselves with some alleged "social responsibility" they had to make sure the "right" views were discussed and the "wrong" ones were not.


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    #44
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,303 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Big Capital will pile in behind the Democrats, the plebs can go **** themselves.


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    #45
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    This would be getting much more play in the media if they were trying to prevent Bernie, or some other Democrat from winning next year.


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    #46
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    This would be getting much more play in the media if they were trying to prevent Bernie, or some other Democrat from winning next year.

    Or banning the views of liberals instead of conservatives.

    What's happening with Google/Facebook/Twitter is incredibly worrying for democracy in the western world.


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    #47
    JohnMc1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭JohnMc1


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    Or banning the views of liberals instead of conservatives.

    What's happening with Google/Facebook/Twitter is incredibly worrying for democracy in the western world.

    Definitely. Everybody should be concerned about this.


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    #48
    NaFirinne
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭NaFirinne


    Anyone got any good ideas on how to combat this kind of thing in our Modern Society.


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    #49
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    NaFirinne wrote: »
    Anyone got any good ideas on how to combat this kind of thing in our Modern Society.

    Boycott them but they have incredible reach and power


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    #50
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Seems to be a recurring theme in the modern Rightwing victimhood industry.

    Give over will ya !

    "Rightwing" to you is anyone slightly to the right of Stalin ffs!


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    #51
    rossie1977
    Registered Users Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    JohnMc1 wrote: »
    This would be getting much more play in the media if they were trying to prevent Bernie, or some other Democrat from winning next year.

    Project Veritas doing an 'investigate piece' on Democrats would only be negative. This is same group who tried to frame Washington Post in order to get Roy Moore's name cleared even though O'keefe himself felt Moore was guilty.
    InTheShadows wrote: »
    Or banning the views of liberals instead of conservatives.

    What's happening with Google/Facebook/Twitter is incredibly worrying for democracy in the western world.

    What are liberal views and why would those views result in bans?

    Nobody is getting banned on social media because they hold Conservative views. People are getting banned because they are advocating violence against other groups..


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    #52
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,376 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Give over will ya !

    "Rightwing" to you is anyone slightly to the right of Stalin ffs!

    Quote me where I said this please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #53
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    I think at this point internet search is a utility similar to the connection its brought over, any alteration of an algorithm to enhance / detract from results on any viewpoint (no matter how crazy) should be illegal. If a user wants to search for flat earth marxists or free market white utopias or whatever , the results should not be ranked by the companies ‘political ideals’

    The veritas project are shady as hell but even those examples like the “hillary clintons emails” on they showed are too real and even that indicates a dangerous precident, the undercover video can be chopped up however you like , but reffering to the trump situation as a negative thing to be prevented from happening again or the female ceo’s thing is very telling of what manipulation they want


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    #54
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    So, are we just ignoring the very simple fact that this is released by Project Veritas, a group which have repeatedly released fake videos and articles.

    Instead we're just going along with the confirmation bias that Big Corporation is bad.


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    #55
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Russian "collusion" investigated for years by FBI, nothing found.
    Google says outright they will "hack" the next election - no outrage.

    To me the videos are clear.


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    #56
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    biko wrote: »
    Russian "collusion" investigated for years by FBI, nothing found.
    Google says outright they will "hack" the next election - no outrage.

    To me the videos are clear.

    I think this is quite accurate, ignoring where the content is coming from, Id be rather impressed if they had the funds to deepfake all of theninformation contained within, and im not talking about the guy in the dark with the changed voice, you have video clips of google execs & a dev specifically talking about altering search results to produce viewpoints and information sources that align with an agenda they have chosen and thats scary.


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    #57
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    biko wrote: »
    Russian "collusion" investigated for years by FBI, nothing found.
    Google says outright they will "hack" the next election - no outrage.

    To me the videos are clear.

    It did find that Russian actively tried to interfere with the election though... This included via online campaigns so for Google to actively combat foreign states engaging in interference, that in itself would be correct.


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    #58
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    biko wrote: »
    Russian "collusion" investigated for years by FBI, nothing found.
    Google says outright they will "hack" the next election - no outrage.

    To me the videos are clear.

    Really Biko? Are you going to trot that out? "Nothing found". We just ignoring all the arrests, jail times and so on?

    Also, a Google Exec, one of thousands was caught on tape saying these things and they are bad. But we both know the video is massively edited.


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    #59
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    So, are we just ignoring the very simple fact that this is released by Project Veritas, a group which have repeatedly released fake videos and articles.

    Instead we're just going along with the confirmation bias that Big Corporation is bad.
    Google executives are being grilled by Congress over the alarming reports out by Project Veritas. Seems like good investigative journalism to me. But the majority of the MSM is ignoring it. Is it any wonder trust in media has hit rock bottom in the US.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #60
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Google executives are being grilled by Congress over the alarming reports out by Project Veritas. Seems like good investigative journalism to me. But the majority of the MSM is ignoring it. Is it any wonder trust in media has hit rock bottom in the US.

    Which Congress absolutely should do, and more media outlets should be reporting on it.

    But, the key thing is that the video has been extremely edited. It cuts to her talking, cuts back to the reporter, cuts back to her again from a different angle and in a different seat, cuts back to the reporter and then cuts back again.

    We don't know the full content of the video. Veritas won't release it. They also have a long history of releasing heavily edited videos.


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    #61
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Which Congress absolutely should do, and more media outlets should be reporting on it.

    But, the key thing is that the video has been extremely edited. It cuts to her talking, cuts back to the reporter, cuts back to her again from a different angle and in a different seat, cuts back to the reporter and then cuts back again.

    We don't know the full content of the video. Veritas won't release it. They also have a long history of releasing heavily edited videos.
    And it's the exact same thing with the email thread that got reduced to one message. They're basically aiming for shock value. Exact same as they did with planned parenthood stuff.


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