Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Beta Ray Bill · 04-05-2018 1:44pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Vince started the WWE Network to get rid of the Cable companies taking their share of the PPV income. Why pay $60+ for a PPV when you can watch it for free as part of the WWE Network service that only costs $9.99 a month? It starting the death knell of normal Cable packages was an added bonus. Now the major sports leagues have their own streaming services [aka.MLB,NFL,NBA,NHL,etc] where for a flat yearly fee you can watch all the games you want.

Seriously clever guy, I wish I had is brains!

Laughing all the way to the Bank so he is! :eek:
I read he's starting up the XFL again! :eek:

Ulysses Gaze · 04-05-2018 1:44pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Vince started the WWE Network to get rid of the Cable companies taking their share of the PPV income. Why pay $60+ for a PPV when you can watch it for free as part of the WWE Network service that only costs $9.99 a month? It starting the death knell of normal Cable packages was an added bonus. Now the major sports leagues have their own streaming services [aka.MLB,NFL,NBA,NHL,etc] where for a flat yearly fee you can watch all the games you want.

It's a stroke of genius by Vince really. But it is so simple that it is a wonder why others did not think of it before.

UFC springs to mind.

Don't think the XFL v2.0 will work.
Think he'd be better off buying the Carolina Panthers with some other wealthy owners.

I admire his balls in trying to start it again though.

RockDesk · 04-05-2018 1:45pm

The salaries are ridiculous.

If they got rid of ads (like BBC), you could at least rationalise that that is what the licence fee is paying for

Beta Ray Bill · 04-05-2018 1:47pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It's a stroke of genius by Vince really. But it is so simple that it is a wonder why others did not think of it before.

UFC springs to mind.

Don't think the XFL v2.0 will work.
Think he'd be better off buying the Carolina Panthers with some other wealthy owners.

I admire his balls in trying to start it again though.

I'd say they're the size of cantaloupes :pac:

PopePalpatine · 04-05-2018 2:03pm

CJhaughey wrote: »

I am sure lots would deliver something to Mr Tubridy but I am also quite sure that he may not have much use for what he would receive...

I'm sure he could hire a gardener to help.

Always number 1 · 04-05-2018 2:08pm

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/revealed-top-10-highest-earning-rte-presenters-includes-three-women-while-ray-darcy-was-paid-400k-35989583.html

Tubridy works 5 hours per week on radio and 2 hours on tv per week and given the Late Late is off air during the summer and he is frequently missing from his radio slot, there's no way they can justify paying him €495k per year. Joe Duffy works just over 6 hours per week and gets just under €400k

Think she needs to look at the likes of the above for anyone to even entertain the idea of possibly paying their license fee

Ulysses Gaze · 04-05-2018 2:10pm

grahambo wrote: »

I'd say they're the size of cantaloupes :pac:

Well he is the Genetic Jackhammer....

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich · 04-05-2018 2:12pm

I have to say I like RTE radio 1. Would never turn it on for Joe Duffy but I must be getting old because it's the only morning program I can handle, Paul Williams obviously makes Newstalk unlistenable.
Brian Dobson is a pro, he's really good, so that Sharon one can feck off with the salaries.

weldoninhio · 04-05-2018 2:19pm

Always number 1 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/revealed-top-10-highest-earning-rte-presenters-includes-three-women-while-ray-darcy-was-paid-400k-35989583.html

Tubridy works 5 hours per week on radio and 2 hours on tv per week and given the Late Late is off air during the summer and he is frequently missing from his radio slot, there's no way they can justify paying him €495k per year. Joe Duffy works just over 6 hours per week and gets just under €400k

Think she needs to look at the likes of the above for anyone to even entertain the idea of possibly paying their license fee

As much as I hate Tubridy, and I truly despise him, the above is incorrect. He is on air 5 hours per week on the radio and on screen 2 hours a week on TV. But you don't just roll out of bed and go straight onto air or on screen though.

DaveyDave · 04-05-2018 2:34pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

As much as I hate Tubridy, and I truly despise him, the above is incorrect. He is on air 5 hours per week on the radio and on screen 2 hours a week on TV. But you don't just roll out of bed and go straight onto air or on screen though.

While it's true he works more hours than that, that accounts for 7 hours. That's one day worth of time. He'd hardly have 4 days worth of makeup and rehearsal and the like? €500k is not justified when RTE are constantly crying out they WE have to pay more. The first solution should be to cut salaries, if they don't like it they can go elsewhere but I bet they wouldn't get half that money.

Gunmonkey · 04-05-2018 2:37pm

Testament1 wrote: »

An Klondike was a great original TG4 mini series. Story of 2 Irish brothers trying to find their fortune in the Klondike Gold Rush of the late 1800s and the perils of a lawless frontier town. Filmed in Galway and featuring a mix of Irish and English language. More of that kinda work would absolutely justify their budget.

I actually should try watch An Klondike, I ****ing love gold rush era stuff.

Funnily enough the ads played in crystal clear uninterrupted high definition though.....

Which begs the question WHY ARE THERE ****ING ADS ON THE PLAYER? Isn't this what the license is meant to pay for, most other services have ads for free viewers only so just make it PPV or sub based already! But then they would see nobody pick it up so they have to try scam older people in subbing to it even if they dont know how to access it.

04-05-2018 2:55pm

They can just sell more time to advertisers and leave us the fcuk alone.

EdgeCase · 04-05-2018 3:22pm

kneemos wrote: »

2FM lost us nearly thirty million between 2009 and 2015.
Not sure what public service this station provides. Generic type pop music is at everyone's fingertips if they want it.https://www.boards.ie/

If 2FM is loss making, it needs to be radically reformed or sold off. I can see absolutely no public service value in it whatsoever. It's a pop-driven music station and should not be undermining commercial outfits doing the same thing, and using tax payers' money to do so.

I am all in favour of proper public service broadcasting, but I would like to see the vast majority of the income at RTE being spent, wisely, on good PSB programming on TV and radio.

The licence fee paying public should be getting maximum value for money out of this organisation. It's not meant to be attempting to compete with commercial TV and radio.

Also, I think the BBC's spending is disgraceful across a whole range of areas. it's not a model to follow in terms of how to manage. It seems to spend all its time chasing celebs these days and paying astronomical salaries to compete with ITV and Sky for some inexplicable reason, as it is non-commercial.

It shouldn't matter a damn to BBC 1, 2, 3 and BBC radio whether it's making a huge dent in the ratings or not. That isn't the role of a non-commercial public service broadcaster (PSB).

The Beeb used to be outstanding. Nowadays it seems to spend endless amounts of time on big names, stupid reality tv shows and public service broadcasting like Cash in the Attic.

It's not 1970 and RTE is not the only show in town (nor is BBC). It should be doing genuine public service broadcasting, where it can excel and meet needs that cannot be met commercially. Instead, it is still stuck in this notion that it's the only broadcaster in Ireland and that it has to do all of this bland programming.

The focus should be on news/current affairs, strong documentary making, education / information and entertainment that is not focused on crass commercial stuff. TV3 and others should be left to do that stuff on a purely commercial basis.

OneEightSeven · 04-05-2018 4:11pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I am surprised that a club like Real Madrid or Barcelona has not migrated all their domestic games to their own TV channels/Networks and started charging fans for a season ticket. These are now global brands that could make a fortune directly if they did so.

That is the future of Sports as well I think.

They haven't done this because they don't own the rights to their games, La Liga owns them. Barcelona and Madrid play in their league after all.

The money flows like this: TV companies ----> La Liga

> football clubs.

If we are to see a streaming service in football, it would have to be organized by the individual football associations, but that would only give us domestic league games. Continental competition, like the Champions League, fall under UEFA's jurisdiction so we'd still have to watch them on TV.

_Dara_ · 04-05-2018 4:15pm

I think everyone should refuse to pay. Let them chase us all.

Rubberchikken · 04-05-2018 4:18pm

Does any tv station, or country for that matter, deserve tubridy and darcy and miriam bloody o callaghan and the rest.
I watch only boxsets and the occasional thing on netflix and i pay the t.v. licence. Id prefer not to, it galls me, but the thought of paying a fine galls me even more.

Red_Wake · 04-05-2018 4:18pm

Any organisation that employs Lottie Ryan has too much money.

If I was in dire need of a blood transfusion and saw her come through the door I'd tell her to **** off.

titan18 · 04-05-2018 4:23pm

JohnMc1 wrote:

Vince started the WWE Network to get rid of the Cable companies taking their share of the PPV income. Why pay $60+ for a PPV when you can watch it for free as part of the WWE Network service that only costs $9.99 a month? It starting the death knell of normal Cable packages was an added bonus. Now the major sports leagues have their own streaming services [aka.MLB,NFL,NBA,NHL,etc] where for a flat yearly fee you can watch all the games you want.

The major sports leagues had it before WWE Network though. In some cases long before it.

_Dara_ · 04-05-2018 4:28pm

I’m considering challenging payment. Explain to them that due to a terminal illness, I have very little money (very true) but don’t qualify for an exemption (also true). Just tell them “I’m not paying” and dare them to take me to court or fine me. It might be amusing to go to court over it and I’ve very little to lose. :P If the Lockerbie bomber can be released from prison on compassionate grounds...

Of course, I won’t actually go through with it but it’s fun to daydream. In my head, it’s a courtroom drama. :P

jim salter · 04-05-2018 4:37pm

grahambo wrote: »

......

No one outside of Ireland know's who Tubb's is.

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Surely the Kennedy's know who he is?

jim salter · 04-05-2018 4:49pm

grahambo wrote: »

...
Ryan Tubridy - €500,000 per year is the biggest Joke of all
....

Let's not forget his production company also gets paid by RTE Tuttle Productions
As does Joe Duffy's production company Claddaghgreen Ltd and as did Pat Kenny's production comapny - Pat Kenny Media Services Limited

Cienciano · 04-05-2018 4:50pm

Grayson wrote: »

I don't own a radio and only use my TV for my chromecast and xbox. I don't use a single service that they provide.

I'm the same, I have no tv subscription no freeview. I pay for Netflix, stream the odd match. Not a hope in hell would I pay a cent for the tv licence.

Tilikum17 · 04-05-2018 4:53pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I'm the same, I have no tv subscription no freeview. I pay for Netflix, stream the odd match. Not a hope in hell would I pay a cent for the tv licence.

Ditto.

jim salter · 04-05-2018 4:58pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Ditto.

ditto ditto

Vladimir Poontang · 04-05-2018 5:03pm

Why does RTE need 1 orchestra, let alone 2?

JohnMc1 · 04-05-2018 5:08pm

titan18 wrote: »

The major sports leagues had it before WWE Network though. In some cases long before it.

Didn't mean to insinuate that. I meant that with all of the major sports leagues having their own streaming services its going to put cable companies [and their high priced sports packages] under. This is why ESPN is also in trouble.

Geuze · 04-05-2018 5:09pm

Nixonbot wrote: »

That's not even considering pensions, perks etc. I'd say it's considerably more than that!

Ryan Tubridy is not an employee, he is a contractor, so no sick pay / pensions, etc.

Same goes for most presenters.

The top paid employee is Sean O'Rourke on 200k, AFAIK.

Geuze · 04-05-2018 5:09pm

Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich wrote: »

I didn't know we had 2 orchestras but I like the idea of having state orchestras, but maybe it should be paid for via the Dept of Arts Culture and Gaeltacht and not through licence money.

This is a proposal, let RTE keep one, and let the other be based at the NCH.

mojesius · 04-05-2018 5:29pm

They need to do more stuff like 'ireland's deep atlantic' and less shoite. I caught 5 minutes of a show the other evening where they had healthy eating experts putting chefs against each other to make their dishes healthier. It was utter crap. Many people can't afford to eat in these chefs' establishments to begin with, we don't need to know how they made their crab brulee starter more 'nutriotionally balanced'. The producers are completely out of touch with reality.

Muahahaha · 04-05-2018 6:36pm

Fun fact No.1 The two RTE Orchestras cost 12 million a year to run
Fun fact No.2 RTE dropped the Premier League highlights which were watched by 300,000 people on Saturdays. The cost of the highlights was 500,000 a year.
Fun fact No.3 Channel 4 produces award winning documentaries and has a staff of 200. RTE does not and has a staff of 2,000

Proof, if even needed, that RTE exists only to serve its overbloated staff numbers and salaries and not the public who pay the license. Pony up and quit yer moaning people !

kneemos · 04-05-2018 6:47pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Fun fact No.1 The two RTE Orchestras cost 12 million a year to run
Fun fact No.2 RTE dropped the Premier League highlights which were watched by 300,000 people on Saturdays. The cost of the highlights was 500,000 a year.
Fun fact No.3 Channel 4 produces award winning documentaries and has a staff of 200. RTE does not and has a staff of 2,000

Proof, if even needed, that RTE exists only to serve its overbloated staff numbers and salaries and not the public who pay the license. Pony up and quit yer moaning people !

2000 is a reduced number. They had 300 redundancies last year.

How in the name of everything holy can they justify that level of staffing?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rt%C3%A9-to-offer-improved-redundancy-terms-to-300-staff-1.3203914

Fann Linn · 04-05-2018 6:52pm

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Why does RTE need 1 orchestra, let alone 2?

Why does RTE need Marian?
Keep the 2 Orchestras and get rid of her.

Venom · 04-05-2018 7:01pm

Testament1 wrote: »

As for RTE, I recently had the misfortune of using the RTE player app to try watch a live Champions League game. The single worst media experience I've ever encountered. Pixelated hell and constant dropouts which could only be resolved by exiting the stream and trying again only for the same thing to happen a couple minutes later, all this on an 80mbps connection. Funnily enough the ads played in crystal clear uninterrupted high definition though.....

I recall watching the RTE player during the Frances Fitzgerald craziness at the end of last year, and I had to keep refreshing it non stop due to it timing out and just stopping. Funnily enough, the ads loaded and played just fine

Muahahaha wrote: »

Fun fact No.1 The two RTE Orchestras cost 12 million a year to run
Fun fact No.2 RTE dropped the Premier League highlights which were watched by 300,000 people on Saturdays. The cost of the highlights was 500,000 a year.
Fun fact No.3 Channel 4 produces award winning documentaries and has a staff of 200. RTE does not and has a staff of 2,000

Proof, if even needed, that RTE exists only to serve its overbloated staff numbers and salaries and not the public who pay the license. Pony up and quit yer moaning people !

WTF! Channel 4 only has 200 employees?

Vladimir Poontang · 04-05-2018 7:24pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Why does RTE need Marian?
Keep the 2 Orchestras and get rid of her.

They don't need to have any orchestra.Does TV3 have an orchestra?

They don't need Marian either, but that's another story...

facehugger99 · 04-05-2018 7:32pm

How can the RTE player be so awful?

Absolutely unwatchable for the Champions League the other night. The pirate stream I use on the other hand is perfect HD quality and is probably run by one stoned dude from his parent's basement.

AllForIt · 04-05-2018 7:42pm

I'm a full time student at the mo an because of that the amount of TV I watch is so minimal it's almost nothing. As I've constantly things to do I can't live by the RTE Schedule so almost everything I watch is online. I would find it quite a struggle to pay the TV license, I live alone so wouldn't share it with anyone, and I really wouldn't be getting value for money as there isn't a single thing ,TV show or anything I follow regularly. The only thing I might watch regularly would be the News and that certainty wouldn't be every day. Sometimes late night chat shows but that's only so I can make bitchy comments about them on the TV forums here : D

Always number 1 · 04-05-2018 7:55pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

As much as I hate Tubridy, and I truly despise him, the above is incorrect. He is on air 5 hours per week on the radio and on screen 2 hours a week on TV. But you don't just roll out of bed and go straight onto air or on screen though.

That's what his team of minions, sorry researchers, do. The presenters probably rock in about 5/10 mins before the start of the show and get handed a document with what they need.

In my line of work, I deal regularly with the researchers for these programmes but have never dealt with Ryan or Joe or Ray directly

EdgeCase · 04-05-2018 8:02pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

How can the RTE player be so awful?

Absolutely unwatchable for the Champions League the other night. The pirate stream I use on the other hand is perfect HD quality and is probably run by one stoned dude from his parent's basement.

I agree - it's going to cost them viewers as it's effectively unusable. I've given up on it so many times.

Atoms for Peace · 04-05-2018 8:10pm

If the "stars" won't take a reasonable wage let them feck off, geriatric job blockers and pretensuous creeps for the most part anyway.

Wages should be pegged against those of tv3 and TG4. TG4 is a great example of what a public service broadcaster should be.

Zaph · 04-05-2018 8:11pm

What they need to do is farm out the collection of the unpaid licence fees to a proper business that deals with that sort of thing and not rely on An Post to send out vaguely threatening letters every now and then. If they managed to get the rate of non-compliance under 5% then they'd have all the money they could ever dream of and you never know, it might mean an overall reduction in the one tax that I despise paying more than any other.

kneemos · 04-05-2018 8:21pm

Zaph wrote: »

What they need to do is farm out the collection of the unpaid licence fees to a proper business that deals with that sort of thing and not rely on An Post to send out vaguely threatening letters every now and then. If they managed to get the rate of non-compliance under 5% then they'd have all the money they could ever dream of and you never know, it might mean an overall reduction in the one tax that I despise paying more than any other.

I suspect they'd spend whatever they get and be in debt again shortly afterwards.

dxhound2005 · 04-05-2018 8:35pm

Zaph wrote: »

What they need to do is farm out the collection of the unpaid licence fees to a proper business that deals with that sort of thing and not rely on An Post to send out vaguely threatening letters every now and then. If they managed to get the rate of non-compliance under 5% then they'd have all the money they could ever dream of and you never know, it might mean an overall reduction in the one tax that I despise paying more than any other.

What agency would you like to see doing the job and how would they operate? The only system available to An Post is the courts, and they initiate thousands of prosecutions every year.

Any new system would need new legislation. But the politicians are too afraid to bring in a scheme which would take money from every household automatically e.g through the Property Tax. And fear is also the reason that they would not allow any increase in the licence fee for the last ten years.

briany · 04-05-2018 8:56pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

If the "stars" won't take a reasonable wage let them feck off, geriatric job blockers and pretensuous creeps for the most part anyway.

Wages should be pegged against those of tv3 and TG4. TG4 is a great example of what a public service broadcaster should be.

In my opinion, it's difficult for any station to truly be a truly public broadcaster if they're reliant on advertising revenue. Reason being that some of their output could be influenced by a pressure to not upset those advertisers, even when that output is for the public good.

But having said that, TG4 do manage to balance this quite well. TV3, on the other hand.....Ugh.

That's why if RTE want to bang the drum about upping the license fee, I'd say on the condition that they stop showing any and all advertisements. If that means they have to do any and all of the following, A) Buy less foreign shows,

Lose certain presenters, C) Only be able to broadcast so many hours a day, then so be it.

diomed · 04-05-2018 9:17pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Sell off the rest of the Montrose holiday camp and move the inmates to a purpose built studio in an industrial estate in west dublin

But it is close to where they live, and close to the N11.

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-05-2018 9:22pm

diomed wrote: »

But it is close to where they live, and close to the N11.

Pampered shower of b@stards they wouldn't know real life if it smacked them in the face

ebbsy · 04-05-2018 9:22pm

Whopping pay packages good afternoon to you.

Always number 1 · 04-05-2018 9:49pm

They need to be cleverer about collecting the license fee. If you 'only' use Netflix or Chrome cast or whatever then you've nothing to worry about but if you want to sign up to the likes of Sky/Virgin Media/Eir you either need to prove you have a tv license or else pay a certain amount per month on top of your providers bill for the license.
Maybe if they trimmed back the extortionate salaries, get rid of the dead wood, ditch 2fm, stop commissioning Vogue fronted sh1te or wedding related reality tv drivel, only have 1 chat show per week - Late Late through the winter then Saturday night show during the summer, shorten both these programmes so they're not wheeling the same faces out of the RTE canteen and they might have a chance of being a decent broadcaster.
As for the Eurovision, unless I'm proven wrong this week, we're not going to win it so why are we forking out for a singer and their entourage to go over to the host city for over a week along with Marty Whelan and his entourage not to mention forking out for the viewing rights.. we had our fun now we need to move on..

Trasna1 · 04-05-2018 9:49pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Being honest I think that the orchestras are far more worthy public services than 2FM or RTE2

It would be great if RTE actually used them. Whatever about seeing the concert orchestra on a special once a year, I don't think I've ever seen a performance of the symphony orchestra on RTE.

lawred2 · 04-05-2018 9:57pm

Trasna1 wrote: »

lawred2 wrote: »

Being honest I think that the orchestras are far more worthy public services than 2FM or RTE2

It would be great if RTE actually used them. Whatever about seeing the concert orchestra on a special once a year, I don't think I've ever seen a performance of the symphony orchestra on RTE.

Good point.

But they prefer to spend money importing US and UK tripe

backspin. · 04-05-2018 10:02pm

I don't agree with privatizing rte. We'd end up with some crook like redacted buying it and feeding us his propaganda. That being said RTE is far to right on and liberal for my liking. Dropping Network 2 is a good idea and reduce the number of radio stations. Lower their salaries.

No way in hell should the license fee increase though. They should count themselves lucky to be getting it as is.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore