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pinkypinky · 05-02-2021 10:39am

Well, if you find a birth cert for a person in that period, you could then approach the parish with the details and say "I'm just looking for the godparents' names".

I did that exercise for all my grandparents' siblings. Some churches charged me and some didn't. Sadly, it didn't yield any new family members. I recognised almost all the names.

L1011 · 08-02-2021 9:14pm

I have managed to completely break Ancestry's family tree rendering, by finding the docs (Booterstown Parish records are fantastic) to show that my great-grandfathers first and second wifes were first cousins (and hence linking them). Totally legit, likely quite common but it now shows every descendent of the second marriage twice.

This is software designed for Mormons, it should really be able to handle someone remarrying after being widowed!

Hermy · 08-02-2021 11:39pm

I have a few similar events which seem to cause Ancestry the same difficulty.
In on instance an individual was left out on their own unconnected to any relative.
Of course it all depends on which person's perspective you have chosen to view the tree from.

mindhorn · 21-02-2021 2:44pm

Anyone else having issues with accessing irishgenealogy.ie? I'm getting a message saying that it's certificate has been revoked.

Hermy · 21-02-2021 2:57pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Anyone else having issues with accessing irishgenealogy.ie? I'm getting a message saying that it's certificate has been revoked.

Yep, me too.

CassieManson · 21-02-2021 4:59pm

Yes and it's annoying when you have nothing else to do on a Sunday afternoon ðŸ˜’

ath262 · 21-02-2021 5:11pm

the site has been fine for me this afternoon for civil records, I'm on FireFox 64bit
SSL cert expires December 2021, same for church record section

Jellybaby_1 · 22-02-2021 12:28am

mindhorn wrote: »

Anyone else having issues with accessing irishgenealogy.ie? I'm getting a message saying that it's certificate has been revoked.

Me too!

Mick Tator · 22-02-2021 12:17pm

Me too (and I'm using Firefox, latest version)

spurious · 22-02-2021 12:41pm

Using Brave browser here. No issues.

mindhorn · 22-02-2021 12:50pm

Tried Brave just now and managed to make it to the homepage but won't allow me to access the civil records, for example.

spurious · 22-02-2021 12:54pm

mindhorn wrote: »

Tried Brave just now and managed to make it to the homepage but won't allow me to access the civil records, for example.

There must be something else going on.
Can you try it with Brave's 'shields down'? Right hand side of address bar.

mindhorn · 22-02-2021 1:13pm

Thanks, tried it the shield down but no joy.

ath262 · 22-02-2021 2:25pm

I haven't been having any problems on IrishGenealogy, all worked ok for me yesterday also in FireFox

Just tested in MS Edge & Chrome (related engine) which are giving a cert revoked error, seems to be an issue with it's reading of the assignment to the home which is site gov.ie, this should link it to the associated sites which include www.cultureireland.ie, civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie, churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie, www.irishfamine.ie etc

Edit - Similar error in Safari (iPad) 'connection is not private', seems it doesn't think the cert is associated with civil records subsite

For ref my FF is 86.0.2 64 bit

mindhorn · 22-02-2021 4:04pm

It's back working now.

Hermy · 22-02-2021 4:31pm

mindhorn wrote: »

It's back working now.

That's a relief!

mindhorn · 02-03-2021 9:42pm

DNA Family Secrets, a new BBC show, airs in twenty minutes.

Hermy · 02-03-2021 9:48pm

mindhorn wrote: »

DNA Family Secrets, a new BBC show, airs in twenty minutes.

Alas, it’s presented by Stacey Dooley.

Jellybaby_1 · 02-03-2021 9:55pm

Hermy wrote: »

Alas, it’s presented by Stacey Dooley.

Oh no! Not Stacey Dooley. Doesn't matter now, I just missed it!

mindhorn · 02-03-2021 9:56pm

Hermy wrote: »

Alas, it’s presented by Stacey Dooley.

Forgot to include that warning!

Jellybaby_1 · 02-03-2021 9:57pm

Was it good enough to record next week?

mindhorn · 02-03-2021 9:59pm

Think it's the first episode.

Jellybaby_1 · 02-03-2021 10:00pm

What did you think of it?

mindhorn · 02-03-2021 10:05pm

It's only starting now. Background noise so I'm not really paying any attention to it.

Jellybaby_1 · 02-03-2021 10:11pm

Misunderstood the time, I'm recording it now as I can't watch right now.

pinkypinky · 02-03-2021 10:39pm

No need to be mean about the presenter please.

I think it's good so far. Not all genealogy focus - there's a story about Huntington's disease as well.

Hermy · 02-03-2021 10:50pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

No need to be mean about the presenter please.

I’m not being mean - I just don’t like her presentation.

spurious · 03-03-2021 2:34am

I know it was terribly basic, but it covered a little bit about why DNA can be useful for finding relatives, how there is less and less common per generations etc..

I liked how the DNA results did not always end in a neat tying up of loose ends. I preferred it to 'Long Lost Family' which is really very samey at this stage.

Mick Tator · 03-03-2021 9:35am

The presenter is a 'people person' and while empathetic is a lightweight for a science topic, so it exemplifies what the show is and will be about. Very basic, far too long/drawn out for the content.

pinkypinky · 03-03-2021 10:31am

Sorry Hermy - lots of people on the twitter hashtag were saying terrible things about Stacey Dooley while the show aired - of a personal nature. Perfectly fine not to like her style of presenting.

ITV will be airing a very similar show from next Wednesday with celebrity pairings, based on the Ant & Dec format they did about 18 months ago.

These shows will always be too lightweight and not in-depth enough for us. However, I'm happy that television programs are covering DNA from all the angles, and Spurious said, not just happy endings.

I wanted to know why they weren't more conclusive about the beardy guy's father. If there were 5 siblings, and one had no children, but the others did, yes, you couldn't be definitive, but you could rule everyone else out. Were there people who didn't want to test?

Hermy · 03-03-2021 10:47am

pinkypinky wrote: »

Sorry Hermy - lots of people on the twitter hashtag were saying terrible things about Stacey Dooley while the show aired - of a personal nature. Perfectly fine not to like her style of presenting.

Yeah, I get that.

I make no apologies for not liking Stacey - not my cup of tea at all, at all - but Jesus some people really go to town on folk they don't like. It's like there's some sort of outrage competition going on online.

As the wonderful Henry Rollins once said - if you hate them that much you're giving them too much of your time.

Nqp15hhu · 15-03-2021 7:48am

What is Mary Lou McDonalds ancestry? Where does that surname come from? Is it an Irish translation?

Rmulvany · 15-03-2021 9:42am

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

What is Mary Lou McDonalds ancestry? Where does that surname come from? Is it an Irish translation?

This would be a pretty common name around Ireland but would be of Scottish origin, McDonald would be the Anglicized form of MacDomhnaill coming from Clan Donald.

MacLysaght: "MacDonald: The name of a Scottish Clan. Sometimes a synonym of the Irish MacDonnell"

If your question was on a personal level, I don't think Mary has done anything public (who do you think you are etc)

pinkypinky · 15-03-2021 8:39pm

I know nothing about her ancestry. She's from south county Dublin, afaik, but not even sure if MacDonald is her birth or married name.

Garlinge · 15-03-2021 10:49pm

I think her birthname. She attended Notre Dame convent in Churchtown ( now closed).

I have McDaniel in my tree and it can be be form of McDonald as well.

Nqp15hhu · 16-03-2021 12:08am

Rmulvany wrote: »

This would be a pretty common name around Ireland but would be of Scottish origin, McDonald would be the Anglicized form of MacDomhnaill coming from Clan Donald.

MacLysaght: "MacDonald: The name of a Scottish Clan. Sometimes a synonym of the Irish MacDonnell"

If your question was on a personal level, I don't think Mary has done anything public (who do you think you are etc)

Just wondering if it suggests some sort of Scottish or Ulster link. I am not sure of the demographics of surnames down there.

pinkypinky · 16-03-2021 12:45am

I don't think you can infer anything from the surname alone.

I'm not comfortable with this line of conversation. By all means discuss the surname, but let's leave actual living people who are not here themselves tracing their roots out of it please.

Garlinge · 16-03-2021 3:18pm

Is it just a rough rule of thumb to say prefix 'Mac'/Mc' is Scottish and 'O' is Irish?
The McDaniels in my tree hail from Malahide Dublin and they occur in distant branch coincidentally and from Sligo/Leitrim.

Mollymoo19 · 17-03-2021 10:22am

Garlinge wrote: »

Is it just a rough rule of thumb to say prefix 'Mac'/Mc' is Scottish and 'O' is Irish?

Not at all, there are plenty of Mc Irish surnames. Mc/Mac surnames denote 'son of' and were usually formed by prefixing Mac to the Christian name of the father, and O surnames were usually formed by prefixing O to the Christian name of the grandfather, or earlier forefather.

Mick Tator · 18-03-2021 1:31am

Garlinge wrote: »

Is it just a rough rule of thumb to say prefix 'Mac'/Mc' is Scottish and 'O' is Irish?

Noooooooh! That is an error most frequently made by American Irish tracing their roots. So many of them believe it. Another one is "I'm actually Scots-Irish because I'm Mc and not Mac")

:o

Nqp15hhu · 18-03-2021 9:11pm

I can’t think of too many Irish “Mc” surnames locally. They’re mostly O or without a prefix.

I suppose McGlinchey or McLaughlin could be an example.

pinkypinky · 18-03-2021 9:16pm

Where a person lives in the 21st century in comparison to the historic (correct or otherwise) origin of a surname is largely meaningless.

If you are interested in the history of surnames, take a look at MacLysaght's seminal work or Grenham or Murphy's more recent research.

srmf5 · 18-03-2021 11:01pm

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I can’t think of too many Irish “Mc” surnames locally. They’re mostly O or without a prefix.

I suppose McGlinchey or McLaughlin could be an example.

Off the top of head McDonagh, MacCarthy, McGuire, McGrath, McDonnell, McMahon, McGoldrick, McKenna, McGee, McNamara, McDermott, McKeague, McGarry, McCann/McGann, McLoughlin, McCabe, McBride, McVeigh, McCormack, McInerney, McConville, McDaid, McHale, McHugh, McGinley, McIntyre, McManus, McNamee, McCahill, McMenamy, McNeive and McGovern all have an Irish orgin. Some may also have a different origin in Scotland but I believe that they all have an Irish origin.

Nqp15hhu · 18-03-2021 11:50pm

I haven’t come across several of those names.. some are Scottish.

Nqp15hhu · 18-03-2021 11:52pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Where a person lives in the 21st century in comparison to the historic (correct or otherwise) origin of a surname is largely meaningless.

If you are interested in the history of surnames, take a look at MacLysaght's seminal work or Grenham or Murphy's more recent research.

Yes.. in respect of a regional basis but it’s easy to tell the national origin of a surname in most cases.

srmf5 · 18-03-2021 11:54pm

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I haven’t come across several of those names.. some are Scottish.

Which ones? Some have both a Scottish and Irish origin.

Nqp15hhu · 19-03-2021 12:29am

McBride and McIntyre

spurious · 19-03-2021 1:24am

McEntaggart and McAnespie?

Mick Tator · 19-03-2021 1:39am

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I haven’t come across several of those names.. some are Scottish.

The names quoted by srmf5 are common throughout Ireland. Reading your posts I infer that you are limiting your comments to names found in the northern part of Ireland (e.g. your reference to names found 'locally'). I cannot see thatperspective adding much to a discussion on surnames that is general rather than specific.

Nqp15hhu · 19-03-2021 6:24am

I understand that there are obviously some Irish Mc surnames, my point was that more locally are Scottish extraction. I see more “o” Irish names such as “o’Kane, o”Doherty, O’Neill, o’mullan”.

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