The National Party (Also known as the Lets spread some hate party...)

recedite · 03-12-2016 4:04pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

This raises questions about the boundaries between religion and politics and why nasty ideas can gain a freer pass under the guise of religion than they would under the guise of a mere political party.

Well we have discovered that the NI equality laws are more comprehensive than those in other parts of the UK or in RoI. "Its an ill wind that blows no good" and the legacy of "the Troubles" also makes NI hospitals a good place to go for their expertise in gunshot wounds and kneecap injuries.

Holland on the other hand, still has a lot to learn...

According to Dutch media advisors from the anti-discrimination bureau MiND said that, while homophobic abuse was usually a crime, it was justifiable if you were Muslim due to laws on freedom of religious expression

Peregrinus · 05-12-2016 5:02am

recedite wrote: »

URL="http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim"]Holland on the other hand, still has a lot to learn..[/URL].

I'm going to be a tiny bit sceptical on this one. From a quick google, the only even vaguely mainstream news outlet carrying this story is the Express. All the other sites that carry it have names like terrorismwatch.org, politicalstew.com, pegida.uk, pcwatch.blogspot.com. And they all repeat the Express report verbatim.

The Expess credits the report to Nick Gutteridge, whose extensive published articles have a limited number of themes - "'Stop INSULTING voters!' Leavers AND Remainers DID say Brexit meant no more single market"; "BETRAYAL OF THE ENGLISH: Scottish MPs STILL rule England after Cameron 'sold voters a pup'"; "Migrant crisis: Club-wielding refugees fight running battles near Stalingrad Metro, Paris"; "Calais rape: Female journalist 'assaulted by refugees' at Jungle Camp". The same Nick left his previous job in 2014 after his editor had to publicly apologise for a piece by Nick that blamed the Hillsborough stadium on football hooligans, the findings of the Hillborough Independent Panel and the widespread publicity that attended them having apparently completely escaped his attention. A year later he was in trouble for writing an article ("UK next? Doc's warn AIDS TB and diseases eradicated generations ago brought in by migrants") based entirely anonymous material which, it turned out, he had sourced from Prophecy Update, a right-wing millenial Christian website ("WATCHING FOR THE SIGNS OF THE COMING CHRIST").

So, yeah, I'm not saying there's nothing behind this story. I'm just saying I'd like to read another take on it.

recedite · 05-12-2016 1:17pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

So, yeah, I'm not saying there's nothing behind this story. I'm just saying I'd like to read another take on it.

You don't trust the Brits then. Hows your double dutch?
De homos and de moslims.

Peregrinus · 05-12-2016 1:47pm

Well, as I said, I never said there was nothing] behind this story. And I do note that, unless Google Translate is letting me down (which is unthinkable, surely?) this report does not confirm the claim by the Express that MiND said homophobic abuse "was justifiable if you were Muslim due to laws on freedom of religious expression". This report only says that MiND said negative statements by Muslims about gay people should be seen in the context of faith. Nothing about them being justifiable, and no sideswipes at religious freedom laws.

Who am I to believe? Long years of experience have taught me not to believe the Express, but I have no particular reason to believe the Piost either. I'm suspending judgment until I see the offending statement by MiND, rather than any journalists representation of what the statement was supposed to have said.

Obviously MiND said something that they're not prepared to stand over, since they have withdrawn their initial statement, and apparently very quickly. But, as to exactly what it was, il nous faut du scepticisme, et encore du scepticisme, et toujours du scepticisme!

recedite · 06-12-2016 3:39pm

I think you're overlooking the obvious here. Everybody knows that de moslims say some very nasty things about de homos. So its not much of a story... unless you're interested in the finer points of equality law and the balances at play between freedom of speech, freedom of religious expression, and what exactly constitutes the dividing line between those and "hate speech".
Which most people aren't particularly fascinated with.

FA Hayek · 06-12-2016 11:32pm

Remember this?
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/11/16/gay-activists-have-met-their-match-with-muslim-barbers

Another take on the gay wedding cake controversy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

Double standards alive and well but Muslims are a minority, so they must be protected and when I say protected, exempt for the usual laws and standards applied to the rest of the population.

Doesn't make sense? Of course it doesn't, but that is the progressive mindset for you.

Peregrinus · 07-12-2016 2:22am

recedite wrote: »

I think you're overlooking the obvious here. Everybody knows that de moslims say some very nasty things about de homos. So its not much of a story... unless you're interested in the finer points of equality law and the balances at play between freedom of speech, freedom of religious expression, and what exactly constitutes the dividing line between those and "hate speech".
Which most people aren't particularly fascinated with.

But the story wasn't "Muslim's say nasty things about Homos"; it was "Dutch regulatory body says its OK for Muslims (but no-one else) to say nasty things about Homos". That would be a big story.

recedite · 08-12-2016 1:41am

Well it was apparently only some kind of regional "hotline" complaints service, and they seem to have backtracked on their original advice as soon as the media got involved.
But the very fact that it happened at all shows the people operating the service have a lot to learn.

Absolam · 08-12-2016 2:03am

Perhaps it shows that they just learned what they had to learn?

As in... don't send out Press Releases without considering how they may be interpreted first.

Peregrinus · 08-12-2016 2:16am

Pehaps what we should learn from this is that they have learned what they had to learn, and we also should be open to learning what we have to learn?

Absolam · 08-12-2016 2:24am

Sounds a bit like leftie talk to me... take it elsewhere!

The Legend Of Kira · 28-06-2017 3:28pm

THE HIGH COURT has dismissed an application by National Party co-founder James Reynolds to continue an injunction preventing the Irish Cattle and Sheep Farmers Association (ICSA) from removing him from senior positions he had held with the organisation.

http://www.thejournal.ie/james-reynolds-icsa-3467197-Jun2017/?utm_source=shortlink
[font=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Im personally non partisan when it comes to political parties, that said- James,s views are his own business outside of work, As long as someones political activity isn,t coming into conflict with a persons work schedule, his/her political activity shouldn,t be an issue, this smacks as thoughtcrime .[/font]

Qs · 28-06-2017 7:08pm

Do you not think the ICSA need to be able to deal with politicians etc to lobby? Its a bit difficult if Reynolds is accusing those people of treason.

recedite · 28-06-2017 10:55pm

If the membership of ICSFA want to elect somebody else instead to represent them, that is their prerogative. Its not clear from the article whether the membership were consulted though.
In this article it seems to have been "the management committee" which wanted to dismiss him, due to his political views, and that could be seen as "contrary to natural justice" (even if it was within their rule book) So if he does get run out of the association now, a judicial review on those grounds might still be an avenue open to him.
That is, if he has any money left, which is unlikely after costs being awarded against him. But then, justice is really only for the very wealthy (or those on free legal aid).

I had to laugh at the name of his house, given in the first article; Rorkes Drift. Its his last stand, and he's down to the last bullet now

Peregrinus · 29-06-2017 2:15am

recedite wrote: »

I had to laugh at the name of his house, given in the first article; Rorkes Drift. Its his last stand, and he's down to the last bullet now

And he has completely run out of apostrophes.

spoonerhead · 29-06-2017 2:31am

Peregrinus wrote: »

And he has completely run out of apostrophes.

Brilliant

Pherekydes · 29-06-2017 10:21am

His summer house is called the Wolfs Lair [sic]. Allegedly. :pac:

rgossip30 · 01-04-2019 12:08pm

I guess the thread should be called Hate The National Party or else, judging by the comments .I wonder is there any party that is liked, has anyone even looked at the website?

goose2005 · 01-04-2019 5:22pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

And he has completely run out of apostrophes.

maybe its some kind of pun, like "Finnegans Wake"?

Cabaal · 02-04-2019 7:18pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

I guess the thread should be called Hate The National Party or else, judging by the comments .I wonder is there any party that is liked, has anyone even looked at the website?

Two years to add this nugget
*slow clap*

Odhinn · 02-04-2019 7:38pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Two years to add this nugget
*slow clap*

And they still aren't acutually registered as a political party.

PopePalpatine · 02-04-2019 8:51pm

The registration fee ate into their Doritos budget.

Beechwoodspark · 02-04-2019 8:56pm

I call it as I see it - I’ve had some dealings professionally with a prominent member of the NP and a more respectful and friendly man you could not meet.

smacl · 02-04-2019 9:47pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I call it as I see it - I’ve had some dealings professionally with a prominent member of the NP and a more respectful and friendly man you could not meet.

I'm guessing you're not a gay Muslim then?

Peregrinus · 03-04-2019 2:19am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I call it as I see it - I’ve had some dealings professionally with a prominent member of the NP and a more respectful and friendly man you could not meet.

The NP has prominent members?

Hotblack Desiato · 03-04-2019 2:54am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I call it as I see it - I’ve had some dealings professionally with a prominent member of the NP and a more respectful and friendly man you could not meet.

Appearances are often deceptive.

Cabaal · 03-04-2019 7:39am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I call it as I see it - I’ve had some dealings professionally with a prominent member of the NP and a more respectful and friendly man you could not meet.

You know what, you're right!

After all, friendly men want the death penalty to be reintroduced in Ireland so it can be used on doctors

https://youtu.be/S4Pk1d0ob1w?t=540

:rolleyes:

Also.... prominent?
there's chicken eggs more famous then any NP members.

Beechwoodspark · 03-04-2019 8:12am

Folks. I am NOT a supporter of the NP. I just saw the thread on the front page and read some of the comments and out of fairness to the guy I just said he was very respectful in my very limited dealings with him. Don’t shoot the messenger...

magicbastarder · 03-04-2019 8:17am

that's not really that far removed (as a concept) from someone turning up in court and giving a character reference for a sex offender.
'well, he never tried to molest *me*' is probably a weird subset of damning with faint praise.

people are not calling the NP out here for whether they are personable one on one, they are calling them out on their political views.

Beechwoodspark · 03-04-2019 8:19am

magicbastarder wrote: »

that's not really that far removed (as a concept) from someone turning up in court and giving a character reference for a sex offender.
'well, he never tried to molest *me*' is probably a weird subset of damning with faint praise.

people are not calling the NP out here for whether they are personable one on one, they are calling them out on their political views.

That’s fine I get that. I actually know very little about them. I just know one of the guys involved through my line of work. That’s all.

Peregrinus · 03-04-2019 8:27am

"One may smile, and smile, and be a villain"

- Hamlet, I, v

(Brush up your Shakespeare, start quoting him now!)

Odhinn · 03-04-2019 11:52am

Peregrinus wrote: »

The NP has prominent members?

...attached to their foreheads, more than likely.

rgossip30 · 21-04-2019 9:01am

The National Party is attempting to disrupt the 2040 mulicultural plan which we must all adhere to.

Odhinn · 21-04-2019 10:06am

rgossip30 wrote: »

The National Party is attempting to disrupt the 2040 mulicultural plan which we must all adhere to.

What plan is this?

ancapailldorcha · 21-04-2019 10:47am

Odhinn wrote: »

What plan is this?

The latest iteration of the white genocide conspiracy theory I suspect.

rgossip30 · 22-04-2019 6:44am

Odhinn wrote: »

What plan is this?

http://npf.ie/project-ireland-2040-national-planning-framework/. You have not heard of the national plan ?

ancapailldorcha · 22-04-2019 8:37am

rgossip30 wrote: »

http://npf.ie/project-ireland-2040-national-planning-framework/. You have not heard of the national plan ?

That's a plan to cope with the projected population increase, not a plan to increase the population. Did you even read this?

rgossip30 · 22-04-2019 9:19am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

That's a plan to cope with the projected population increase, not a plan to increase the population. Did you even read this?

. Did I say a plan to increase the population the increase however will also be from migrants . Read my post. Those who object however the answer is we need them to pay our pensions

ancapailldorcha · 22-04-2019 9:21am

rgossip30 wrote: »

. The projected population increase i Did I say a plan to increase the population. Read my post.

You said "multicultural plan". That's not exactly subtle.

Odhinn · 22-04-2019 9:29am

rgossip30 wrote: »

http://npf.ie/project-ireland-2040-national-planning-framework/. You have not heard of the national plan ?

Yes I had, but as your understanding of it is completely wrong I'd no idea that was what you were referring to.

rgossip30 · 23-04-2019 12:55pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You said "multicultural plan". That's not exactly subtle.

The population increase will be largely made up of non nationals split hairs if you want and we need them to pay our pensions .

Odhinn · 23-04-2019 1:29pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

The population increase will be largely made up of non nationals split hairs if you want and we need them to pay our pensions .

...where does the plan state that?

ancapailldorcha · 23-04-2019 1:31pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

The population increase will be largely made up of non nationals split hairs if you want and we need them to pay our pensions .

Interesting that you conflate facts with splitting hairs.

Have you a source for this non-national claim?

smacl · 23-04-2019 1:31pm

rgossip30 wrote: »

The population increase will be largely made up of non nationals

What's your source on that? If you look at Irish population demographics this doesn't appear to be the case. Currently, less than 10% of our population growth is due to migration.

Cabaal · 23-04-2019 1:49pm

smacl wrote: »

What's your source on that? If you look at Irish population demographics this doesn't appear to be the case. Currently, less than 10% of our population growth is due to migration.

Now now, don't upset them with silly facts and figures!

recedite · 23-04-2019 7:52pm

Cabaal wrote: »

silly facts and figures!

It doesn't all add up. The link says

In 2006, 10% of the population (420,000 people) were foreign nationals, while 24% of births were to mothers born outside of the country. A 2015 study showed that almost 1 in 8 people living in Ireland were born abroad.

It also predicts zero rate of population growth for next year.

Meanwhile Coveney plans to double the population in towns and cities outside Dublin. Where is this New Population going to come from?

Odhinn · 23-04-2019 8:47pm

recedite wrote: »

It doesn't all add up. The link says
It also predicts zero rate of population growth for next year.

Meanwhile Coveney plans to double the population in towns and cities outside Dublin. Where is this New Population going to come from?

From Dublin.....

Ireland's regional cities should double in size to counter the growing influence of Dublin, Simon Coveney said.

"I want to ensure that these cities have sufficient critical mass to act as effective counter balances to Dublin and that there is, in turn, real integration between the regional cities and their surrounding local areas."

recedite · 23-04-2019 11:45pm

Odhinn wrote: »

From Dublin.....

You misunderstand the plan.
There is no intention to evacuate (or even to slightly shrink) Dublin.
But there is a realisation that it is already overcrowded and its infrastructure is already creaking. Hence the new arrivals will be encouraged to go somewhere else.

rgossip30 · 24-04-2019 7:27am

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recedite wrote: »

It doesn't all add up. The link says
It also predicts zero rate of population growth for next year.

Meanwhile Coveney plans to double the population in towns and cities outside Dublin. Where is this New Population going to come from?

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2018/. The link shows the net migration figure for 2017 and 2018 and the increase of migrants 50% of those who emigrated are Irish. The highest number of immigrants since2008 . The link below shows the projected net rate to 2046 page 18 . Based on this it shows the growth into the country will be from migrants as Irish continue to emigrate. The children from migrants will also add to the growth .
The M1 senario the most optimistic is correct for 2018.
https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/population/populationandlabourforceprojections2016-2046/. IBEC chief says 10 million by 2050 and it will be great https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-population-forecast-1970782-Mar2015/.

http://www.finfacts.ie/Irish_finance_news/articleDetail.php?17-of-Irish-born-live-overseas-20-of-Irish-population-foreign-born-169. Based on the past 20 years experience this is likely to continue and the indigenous Irish population will get smaller .

The National Party (Also known as the Lets spread some hate party...)

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