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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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    #92
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'd be disappointed.

    But would you see them as 2nd class citizens with less rights than others?


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    #93
    TwoShedsJackson
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If I had kids why would I talk to them about gay people?:confused:

    Because gay people exist? Or are you just planning on saying nothing about things you apparently find distasteful and hope they never find out?


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    #94
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Hyzepher wrote: »
    But would you see them as 2nd class citizens with less rights than others?

    No but it depends on what rights you mean. I want the right to do and have lots of things. Doesn't mean i'm going to get it.


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    #95
    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,781 ✭✭✭KungPao


    I will absolutely vote NO. It is an insult to God...this is a Catholic country after all... and a yes vote would be unfair on our childerens. Two gays should not be rearing kids.

    Just joking. Don't be an arse. Vote yes!


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    #96
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Lt J.R. Bell, there's no point in engaging with you if you're already assuming I haven't read or researched anything (something you threw about a lot in the last thread to other posters) and make petty insults towards my intelligence. Ordinarily, I'd have no problem discussing the content of that spreadsheet but not if I'm met with that type of condescending, presumption attitude.


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    #97
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    No but it depends on what rights you mean. I want the right to do and have lots of things. Doesn't mean i'm going to get it.

    What did you mean when you said you disagreed about rights? Can you answer the question please. This is the third time.


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    #98
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'd be disappointed. But if that's the way they want to be then so be it.

    Aye, those crazy kids and the way they choose their sexuality…

    David Cross telling it like it is.


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    #99
    catallus
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    I'll be voting yes but I am surprised talking to a lot of people IRL who say they'll be voting no.


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    #100
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Because gay people exist?

    ...and? I should sit my kids down and have a chat because "gay people exist"? Lots of people exist. Not a very compelling reason.


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    #101
    222233
    Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    The 160 differences between Civil Partnership and Civil Marriage are?

    Estate being one of them
    Next of Kin
    Taxes

    etc etc etc


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    #102
    TwoShedsJackson
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    ...and? I should sit my kids down and have a chat because "gay people exist"? Lots of people exist. Not a very compelling reason.

    What if your kids ask you about gay people?


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    #103
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    MrWalsh wrote: »
    Why do they need a surrogate?

    Its could be that one of the men has custody of his own child from a previous heterosexual encounter.

    The point is, all different types of families already exist.

    Gay male couple can already have a kid together biologically anyway


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    #104
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    What did you mean when you said you disagreed about rights? Can you answer the question please. This is the third time.

    They should not have the same marriage rights as heterosexual couples. Simple enough.


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    #105
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    ...and? I should sit my kids down and have a chat because "gay people exist"? Lots of people exist. Not a very compelling reason.

    Surely you would want them to understand the differences and ensure that they are not bigoted towards their sexuality. You know, to give them an objective viewpoint rather than waiting for them to hear lies and hate from others?


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    #106
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    What if your kids ask you about gay people?

    If they asked...the chances seem remote. I wouldn't go out of my way to discuss it. Why would I?


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    #107
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If they asked...the chances seem remote. I wouldn't go out of my way to discuss it. Why would I?

    One of the important aspects of parenting is to educate your children - not simply wait for them to somehow ask the right question


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    #108
    Trudiha
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If I had kids why would I talk to them about gay people?:confused:



    I'd be disappointed. But if that's the way they want to be then so be it.

    Obvioudly this has nothing to do with the referendum but, as you've brought it up, what makes you feel that you are qulified to judge other people's suitability for parenthood?


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    #109
    Kermit.de.frog
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    Hyzepher wrote: »
    One of the important aspects of parenting is to educate your children


    I agree 100%. You go to any primary school in Ireland, and certainly when I was in primary school, what is the number one offensive term used when kids are being slagged?

    I think you are a bit out of touch if you think that even 11 year olds don't know what being gay is.


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    #110
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,447 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Trudiha wrote: »
    what makes you feel that you are qulified to judge other people's suitability for parenthood?


    What makes you feel i'm not? I am just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else. There are two choices in the referendum.


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    #111
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,659 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I agree 100%. You go to any primary school in Ireland, and certainly when I was in primary school, what is the number one offensive term used when kids are being slagged?

    I think you are a bit out of touch if you don't think that even 11 year olds don't know what being gay is.

    I have an 11yr old.

    11 yr olds think they know what being gay is. They hardly know what being straight is.

    it would be your responsibility as a parent to ENSURE that your child doesn't bully or verbally abuse any child - regardless of their sexuality.

    Educating them yourself is the key to this


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    #112
    Magenta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »
    Quelle Surprise , no effort to actually show that you have actually read any of it.

    You couldn't even be bothered looking it up for yourself!
    Is Google down for the No voters? Are they bullying you now too?


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    #113
    Trudiha
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    What makes you feel i'm not? I am just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else. There are two choices in the referendum.

    Of course you're entitled to any opinion you like and are even entitled to share it with me but to deliberately inflict ignorance on a child seems cruel and an odd choice for someone who sees themselves as an arbiter of parenting.


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    #114
    jimdublin15
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭jimdublin15


    KungPao wrote: »
    I will absolutely vote NO. It is an insult to God...this is a Catholic country after all... and a yes vote would be unfair on our childerens. Two gays should not be rearing kids.

    Just joking. Don't be an arse. Vote yes!

    Well it's up to you how you vote that's your right, I respect that you have a right to your opinion.

    Just note I disagree that's my right, however note that whatever you vote or do will never ever stop gay people raising kids. Trust me I am telling you from firsthand experience we already do. :p and nothing you can do to change that :p


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    #115
    222233
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    Did anyone else hear the Iona peoples debate, they would really encourage you to vote YES


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    #116
    jimdublin15
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭jimdublin15


    jimdublin15 wrote: »
    Well it's up to you how you vote that's your right, I respect that you have a right to your opinion.

    Just note I disagree that's my right, however note that whatever you vote or do will never ever stop gay people raising kids. Trust me I am telling you from firsthand experience we already do. :p and nothing you can do to change that :p


    @ KungPao sorryI just got in rain in my eyes and no glasses on. My old eyes must have somehow missed that last line.


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    #117
    traprunner
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If I had kids why would I talk to them about gay people?:confused:



    I'd be disappointed. But if that's the way they want to be then so be it.

    Nothing more needs to be said if you'd be disappointed your kids are gay. I'm straight. Not afraid to say that I would have been a homophobe when I was younger. I don't have kids but if I do I most certainly would not be disappointed in them if they were gay. I'd hate to have your miserable life.


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    #118
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    Hyzepher wrote: »
    One of the important aspects of parenting is to educate your children - not simply wait for them to somehow ask the right question

    Educate your children , according to your culture and religious beliefs, which, the State can not interfere with, as the Parent is the Primary carer....

    Like it or not, not every household is liberal one

    Provided they are law abiding ,which includes refraining from making or inciting hate towards gays or refusing to offer services etc because they are gay... what's the issue?

    Why would a person of strict religious beliefs, for example, go out of their way to educate their children on something that opposes their beliefs? Why would a Muslim , (name any religion/ cultural attitude) go out of their way to educate their off spring about the beliefs of another religion?

    Why on earth would you go out of your way to discuss sex or anything related to it while a child is under 15 years old?

    One senses , if certain people got their way, they would try to control how a person parents their kids


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    #119
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    If I had kids why would I talk to them about gay people?:confused:



    I'd be disappointed. But if that's the way they want to be then so be it.

    You have so much to learn, You have my pity.


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    #120
    Lt J.R. Bell
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Lt J.R. Bell


    traprunner wrote: »
    Nothing more needs to be said if you'd be disappointed your kids are gay. I'm straight. Not afraid to say that I would have been a homophobe when I was younger. I don't have kids but if I do I most certainly would not be disappointed in them if they were gay. I'd hate to have your miserable life.

    So, the poster that you referred to ,is miserable, because

    he expressed an opinion different to yours, about a situation that maybe no more than hypothetical , and remote. Who knows, attitudes might even change after realising but getting on with the disappointment of not seeing grand children from the said child...etc

    What do you know about him? He might be far from miserable

    On the other hand, some gays talk about being miserable and suicidal and not coming to terms with themselves and how society treats them (hey straight people have issues too)

    Whose's shoes would you rather be in?

    Funny, if anyone made such a comment as you have to another, there would be an notice from the mods telling them that they are being threatened with a ban or actually would be banned , for being "uncivil" etc


    Keep that stuff up. No doubt it will remove doubt about gay marriage for those who are not sure how to vote.


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    #121
    Trudiha
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

    One senses , if certain people got their way, they would try to control how a person parent's their kids

    And if others got their way, some folks would be denied the joy of parenting altogether and not because of who they are but because of what they are.


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