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Rainfall/Drought Watch 2020

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,753 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    That last stat is grim. I know it proably sounds daft to those who are looking out at soaked ground, but we need the Atlantic back to ensure everyone who really needs rain gets it.

    Yeah and I wouldn't call it am interruption to the settled spell when the wettest day this month here was just 2.8mm!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    The only 'wet gear' we need around these here parts:

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    From the ag report on Met Eireann. National 7 day running day % of average total for the last week, which includes data from Casement (highest) and Claremorris (lowest) for comparison.

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    Regarding all of the reporting met stations, Mace Hd now the driest (2.0mm up to yesterday) but given that this station seen about 8.0mm today, it remains to be seen if it can maintain this title for another day.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Sligo at 13mm for month now after 1mm nearly today but there was nearly 20mm in parts of county Sligo.

    Brother says grass in Sligo looks yellower than Spain (where he lives) this year.

    Worlds totally messed up in 2020.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,753 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I hope everyone who wants rain gets the rain they need because it is a real worry.
    One can’t influence the weather but one can’t help worry about the consequences if the rains don’t come very soon.
    Another settled spell would be an absolute disaster for some.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    In terms of lawns, I was hoping that one of mine which hadn't been cut in 7 weeks (i don't live at the property) would be well stunted but in fact it was thick and green enough that I could barely cut it with a lawnmower at the highest setting. I suppose if i had been cutting it more regularly it would have held less moisture and would have been yellow.

    The stations most relevant for me are Dunsany, Mullingar and Ballyhaise all showing well under average rainfall this month so far.

    One of my barometers for how dry things are is how many birds are using the trays of water I leave out. Lots of collared doves, pigeons, crows, magpies, starlings, sparrows.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I've noticed very poor grass growth over the past week. I cut the lawn last Tuesday morning just before the low pressure brought in 5 days of cold and unsettled weather. Despite the fact that it did rain here every day from Wednesday to yesterday the grass did not start growing again properly till yesterday, perhaps it was just too cold for grass growth with temperatures of just 11 or 12C for much of the past week. The grass has since taken a growth spurt since Saturday as the temperatures have lifted up considerably but I can probably hold off on cutting the grass for another few days.

    The grass here has become mostly green again but already i'm noticing the yellow tinges starting to reappear with very little rain since Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,162 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I've noticed very poor grass growth over the past week. I cut the lawn last Tuesday morning just before the low pressure brought in 5 days of cold and unsettled weather. Despite the fact that it did rain here every day from Wednesday to yesterday the grass did not start growing again properly till yesterday, perhaps it was just too cold for grass growth with temperatures of just 11 or 12C for much of the past week. The grass has since taken a growth spurt since Saturday as the temperatures have lifted up considerably but I can probably hold off on cutting the grass for another few days.

    The grass here has become mostly green again but already i'm noticing the yellow tinges starting to reappear with very little rain since Saturday.

    Grass takes at least a week to respond from such drying, I've planned for 2 week response delay.

    Ground is still hot from the warm spell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Gonzo wrote: »
    I've noticed very poor grass growth over the past week. I cut the lawn last Tuesday morning just before the low pressure brought in 5 days of cold and unsettled weather. Despite the fact that it did rain here every day from Wednesday to yesterday the grass did not start growing again properly till yesterday, perhaps it was just too cold for grass growth with temperatures of just 11 or 12C for much of the past week. The grass has since taken a growth spurt since Saturday as the temperatures have lifted up considerably but I can probably hold off on cutting the grass for another few days.

    The grass here has become mostly green again but already i'm noticing the yellow tinges starting to reappear with very little rain since Saturday.

    I cut the lawns over two weeks ago and they have barely grown since. There are a lot of browny patches on the lawns. Also the fields here are a lot thinner than they normally would be

    This is because for some of us the weather actually never broke down - we've had very little rain over the last 8 days. We will probably get heavy rain today, but it won't be enough to get the grass back to normal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    It is funny that we are here discussing the drought with yellow and orange rainfall warnings in place for much of the country, however, given the nature of these thunderstorms that's the way it is. Even with the thunder in last few days, surely not more than 20% of ireland's surface area received meaningful rain? One weather band from atlantic usually gives close to 100% surface area coverage for this island


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    It is funny that we are here discussing the drought with yellow and orange rainfall warnings in place for much of the country, however, given the nature of these thunderstorms that's the way it is. Even with the thunder in last few days, surely not more than 20% of ireland's surface area received meaningful rain? One weather band from atlantic usually gives close to 100% surface area coverage for this island
    And with these thunder showers and ground being so hard would most of the rainfall just run off the ground? So lets say one place gets 25mm in a shower,how much of that rainfall will actually soak into the ground.If the high pressure comes in next week these showers might not have much of an effect


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Newport has only recorded 106.4mm of rain since the start of April, with the half a month to go it would be the driest April to June spell for well over 60 years, of course this could still change with 2010 the current lowest at 141.3mm and 1986 having the highest of 447mm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Where do you get this type of detailed info?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    pauldry wrote: »
    Where do you get this type of detailed info?

    For Newport it is easy enough just go to https://www.met.ie/climate/available-data/historical-data.

    I have access to some more old local data but that is stored in an basement where I work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    With those showers around the last few days, all but 3 of the Met reporting stations now are coming in with a June total of less than 10mm (Oak Park, Athenry & Claremorris). The national average is now standing at 18.5mm, with both Finner Camp and Casement Aerodrome coming in with the highest values.

    New Moon



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    looks like the following week is going to be wetter than average according to the ECM.

    Increasing signs too of the Atlantic regaining control over Ireland from this weekend and into next week with plenty of cool and unsettled weather.

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    This Saturday is starting to trend towards a nationwide washout with the first Atlantic front in almost 4 months rolling through the country.

    108-574UK.GIF?16-6

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    The possibility of more bands of heavy rain moving south-west to north-east next week with western half of the country most at risk from rain.

    ECMWF_168_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,483 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I was just thinking the same Gonzo when looking at the fax charts this morning, looks like the Atlantic is back from this weekend (maybe) ..if it plays out like programmed, haven't seen a chart like it in a long time.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Supercell wrote: »
    I was just thinking the same Gonzo when looking at the fax charts this morning, looks like the Atlantic is back from this weekend (maybe) ..if it plays out like programmed, haven't seen a chart like it in a long time.

    This does look likely, however it could still go wrong if the low pressures tracks a bit further north and west than expected.

    I do think we will be more unsettled generally but I don't think this is going to lead to a write-off summer, this may be just for a week to 10 days. Eastern areas may not see the second band of rain early next week as an east/west split may take place, it will depends on the tracking of these lows and any possible influence from the Azores over south-eastern areas.

    If it does pour rain all Saturday and early next week definitely make the most of that rain as it may not continue week after week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Gonzo wrote: »
    This does look likely, however it could still go wrong if the low pressures tracks a bit further north and west than expected.

    I do think we will be more unsettled generally but I don't think this is going to lead to a write-off summer, this may be just for a week to 10 days. Eastern areas may not see the second band of rain early next week as an east/west split may take place, it will depends on the tracking of these lows and any possible influence from the Azores over south-eastern areas.

    If it does pour rain all Saturday and early next week definitely make the most of that rain as it may not continue week after week.

    Similar charts have appeared at >5 days over the past few months and when the day came the rain fronts were actually 300 miles further west.

    Are these fronts forecast to track all the way across to the east of GB??

    Because I think thats the sort of margin of error we need to be sure that they dont end up just brushing our West coast :o


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Neddyusa wrote: »
    Similar charts have appeared at >5 days over the past few months and when the day came the rain fronts were actually 300 miles further west.

    Are these fronts forecast to track all the way across to the east of GB??

    Because I think thats the sort of margin of error we need to be sure that they dont just end up brushing our West coast :o

    It's still a bit of a guess game with this weekend. Current guidance with the GFS is showing the low deepening and passing just to our northwest with some very strong winds wrapped around it. It could be fairly warm ahead of the front but turning cooler from Saturday evening into Sunday. At the moment the front is projected to pass through Ireland then up the western seaboard of UK and on into Scotland.

    South-eastern parts of the UK may escape this one entirely with some very warm or hot weather there but even that is not guaranteed. I am hoping that this low pressure will push a bit further north earlier than expected leaving Ireland on the warmer and dryer side with the Azores High ridging in after.

    GFSOPEU12_120_1.png

    Still 3 to 4 days to go with this one so the track of the low and it's influence on Ireland and the UK is still to be locked in, so expect a few more changes between now and then.

    This mornings ECM is a bit different, it is keeping the low further west with Leinster staying warm or possibly very warm in places with a bit of influence from that azores. ECM will update in the next few hours and this may change again.

    ECMOPEU00_168_2.png

    UKMO brings the low in over us but it quickly moves out of the way and we get an extension of the Azores on Monday but this may only be brief.

    UKMOPEU12_120_1.png

    All to play for still. Basically a shift further east or west by 200 miles will make a massive difference with this one. I feel the north-western half of Ireland will definitely get some influence from this, i'm not so sure yet about the south and east, we may only get a brief brushing with warmer weather either side of the front.

    The one thing I don't want to happen is for the low to get stuck close to or over Ireland for days with nowhere to go with several passings of rainbands through Ireland from Saturday and throughout the following week. I wouldn't mind one day of rain from this as long as it moves quickly out of the way and we go back to fine and settled conditions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Unless this low goes very deep the second half of June will be very wet and very unsettled most especially in the West where I doubt we will see a prolonged dry spell again for a few weeks if Atlantic takes hold. Then it will be a dry day here and there but rain most days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Euro rain dance for those of us still 'abandoned and dried out'.



    I hear the echo of your drums,
    It's in your hands..
    let the rain dance!
    I feel the power of your song
    It's in your call..
    Let the rain fall!

    Just might work. :o

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,753 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    A lot of rain still needed in Kilkenny.
    One cannot yet say the dry spell has ended here yet as we had just 12.4mm for the entire month so far, and 9.8mm in the city.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Drought definitely over in Kildare. 44mm since yesterday’s evening


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    A month of rain is wanted in the west.wouldnt get enough to wash a mouse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭highdef


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Drought definitely over in Kildare. 44mm since yesterday’s evening

    At a very rough guess, I'd say 1/10 of that in the north of the country where I am.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Deficit on the decrease in Dublin.

    20.2mm since midnight in Dublin 16. Total for the month now 43.6mm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,939 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Deficit on the decrease in Dublin.

    20.2mm since midnight in Dublin 16. Total for the month now 43.6mm.

    Is there can current moisture deficit map anywhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    14mm of rain in Sligo for June

    Approx 1 to 2mm most days enough to water the plants but not the masses


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Managed to nab 0.8mm here from on/off dribbles throughout the morning. There is even little puddles on the chairs outside the back. Serious stuff.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,666 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Is there can current moisture deficit map anywhere?

    Yes - scroll down here: https://www.met.ie/forecasts/farming


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Neddyusa


    Any update on Saturday's front?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Humberto Salazar


    Update from the Gobi desert North Offaly. Absolutely nothing from the eastern rain last evening or morning. Fizzled out now. At least mowing the grass once every two weeks now or more rather than once a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    A rough idea, based on radar returns where the bulk of the rain fell, and in what quantity, over the last 24hrs: (WeatherOnline)

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,810 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Will the Wicklow Mountain catchment area resevoirs like Roundwood and Blessington have gotten a decent topup from this rain?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    Slowly but surely the whole country is receiving drought relief, which is set to continue for the forseeable forecast period. I would say an agricultural crisis is definitely averted (nationwide anyway) whatever about the amount required to top up reservoirs. Given that year to date rainfall is actually not far off normal, it is difficult to imagine that the bigger reservoirs are in a critical state. Plenty more rain to come anyway.
    If the west missed out overnight, they can wait for Saturday, loads of rain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,666 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    A rough idea, based on radar returns where the bulk of the rain fell, and in what quantity, over the last 24hrs: (WeatherOnline)

    Is there a scale somewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭pad199207


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Is there a scale somewhere?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    grass growth has really taken off here with all the rain over the past few days. I normally cut the grass once per week at this time of the year but since last week's cold spell the grass growth slowed alot, but it got going again over last weekend and now really needs a cut as it hasn't been cut in 10 days. Garden is now soaking wet so no chance of getting the lawn cut and tomorrow looks like alot of rain too. More rain at the weekend so all of a sudden trying to find a dry period to cut the grass is becoming a challenge. If the lawn doesn't get cut over the next few day the lawnmower will be challenged, so really hoping for a few hours where the grass dries out.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    no shortage of rain over the next week.

    Tomorrow could be a washout in many places with 20 to 30mm of rainfall expected.

    ECMWF_048_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png

    Saturday into Sunday brings a nationwide washout across all parts of the country. 40 to 50mm of rain could happen in places over the weekend.

    ECMWF_096_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png

    Sunday see's showers mainly in the west, some of these could be heavy.

    Monday and we're back to another nationwide fall of rain, probably not as heavy as the weekend rain.

    ECMWF_132_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png

    50 to 70mm of rain can be expected in many areas between now and Sunday evening if the models verify.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Farmer2017


    Slowly but surely the whole country is receiving drought relief, which is set to continue for the forseeable forecast period. I would say an agricultural crisis is definitely averted (nationwide anyway) whatever about the amount required to top up reservoirs. Given that year to date rainfall is actually not far off normal, it is difficult to imagine that the bigger reservoirs are in a critical state. Plenty more rain to come anyway.
    If the west missed out overnight, they can wait for Saturday, loads of rain.

    Not in north Offaly. Got 0.5mm last night. Have recieved nothing otherwise. It just seems not want rain here


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭Farmer2017


    What next week looking like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Farmer2017 wrote: »
    What next week looking like

    Have a look at Gonzo's post put up 15 minutes ago


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Farmer2017 wrote: »
    What next week looking like

    Plenty of rain over the next 4 to 5 days starting from tomorrow.

    I am hoping this unsettled spell lasts a week tops, by then everyone should be well recovered from the drought. Last thing most of us want is the Atlantic on steroids for the rest of the summer. It won't take many weeks of Atlantic weather before farmers start crying out for dry weather again.

    Plenty of rain tomorrow particularly the eastern half of the country. Friday might be a dryer interlude. Saturday and Sunday will be very wet across all parts of the country with a considerable dumping of rain. Monday most likely will see another spell of moderate rain across all parts. It looks like staying unsettled after next Monday with rain or showers at times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The forecast for Sligo seems wrong every day. Sunny today. I thought sun was for east and south.

    But yes Atlantic will definitely bring rain here. Just how much. I'll keep ye updated. Maybe this thread will be far far down the threads this time next week


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,966 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    pauldry wrote: »
    The forecast for Sligo seems wrong every day. Sunny today. I thought sun was for east and south.

    But yes Atlantic will definitely bring rain here. Just how much. I'll keep ye updated. Maybe this thread will be far far down the threads this time next week

    From Saturday rain will be much more evenly distributed across the country as bands of rain and showers will cross the country from the west. The Atlantic certainly looks like it is going to take over our weather for the next week. However the Azores high will ridge across England and Wales and extend up towards Scandinavia over the next week, there is a chance this ridging could affect Ireland at some point, but right now this is beginning to look alot like last summer where Ireland isn't going to be left alone from the Atlantic and us missing out on that lovely Azores ridge for the time being.

    It is uncertain how long this unsettled spell will go on for but I am hoping that we see a resuming of the dry and settled conditions by the end of the month, we could all be well sick of the rain by that stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The last unsettled spell brought 15mm around May 22nd and 23rd. Hope it's one of those types.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    pauldry wrote: »
    The last unsettled spell brought 15mm around May 22nd and 23rd. Hope it's one of those types.

    You'll have a lot more this time. This thread will go quiet for a while over the coming days. The weather will hopefully settle down again towards the end of June


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Totals (mm) over the last 4 week period (up to yesterday) at the reporting Met Eireann stations:

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    ~24.0mm for Durrow in the last four weeks.

    9.2mm so far this June.

    May delivered 15.4mm
    April delivered 24.9mm
    March gave 52.5mm - but notably no rain was recorded since St. Patrick's Day right out to month's end.

    So, since St. Patrick's Day, we've had a whopping 49.5mm - which is exactly three months! That 49.5mm would constitute a drier than average in the driest month of the year for these parts. It kind of puts it all into context when looking at the data like that. :o


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